5 layers - Soul location?

**vee** · 06-25-2008 01:15 PM

quote from "Secrets of the Talking Jaguar" by Martin Prechtel:

The first creation was stone and fire; in this layer you received what was hard and hot. Here you got your bones, your heart, and your gall bladder. Grandfather Fire lived in your bones, and the Mother of Life lived in your heart. Your personal soul was housed in the gall bladder. Dreams originated from the gall bladder, and its tenant was called Q'aq'al, or Fire Soul.

In the second layer you were given your flesh because this creation had all the food plants, flowers, and trees. All Tzutujil people know that flesh comes from eating plants. In the third creation you acquired the layer of your blood and nerves and all the liquids of your body, because here was the land of water, rivers, rain, lakes, springs, clouds, mist, and lightning. In the fourth, a layer of breath, vision, and movement was tied into you, this being the layer of wind and animals. Then you were born into the fifth layer, here to have form, becoming fruit on the branches of the Old Life Tree of the Village.

Two Deities, an Old Man and an Old Woman, sat in each of these creation layers, and they were the ones who assembled you. In each creation, Deities did different things to put you together. The Old Man would be putting male things together to make a child, and the Old Woman in each creation would be doing female things to add to the child's makeup. Every child got both elements, regardless of gender.

As each pair of Old People did this in creation, they uttered special magical words and phrases. These words became the very things they described. The Gods spoke the world into life by continuously repeating their names. When they reach the fifth creation the Deities' names take on physical form and function.

These words were a kind of counting, sacred prayer counting. In one creation layer, the Old Man tied knots to make a child's muscles, while his consort wove a story into its life. As the Old Man and Old Woman did this, they counted out roll calls of sacred things your body needs. These counting prayers never ended, going from one layer to the next, being basically the Mayan calendar. We are made of works, and those words are places in our bodies and on the earth, too. The fifth world gave all those Old People's words a place tohave form and run around, happy to be alive and eating together.

The part Im worried about is the gall bladder. Many people have had theirs out. The soul has got to be located in the heart. I thought this was extrememly interesting in light of the Bible's: In the beginning was the word.

**RooJ** · 06-25-2008 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by vee

The part Im worried about is the gall bladder. Many people have had theirs out. The soul has got to be located in the heart.

Many people have had heart transplants too, without change to their personality. If a soul had to have a physical anchor in the human body my money would be on the brain

**Serkat** · 06-25-2008 01:45 PM

Why the hell the gall bladder? That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

**bluefinger** · 06-25-2008 01:50 PM

I vote for spleen...

**vee** · 06-25-2008 01:59 PM

Rooj is right. It's gotta be the brain.

**Needcatscan** · 06-25-2008 02:58 PM

Umm, wrong. The bowels.

According to tradition back in bible times, you invited god into your bowels. Therefore, this is where the soul resides.

**vee** · 06-26-2008 12:22 PM

what if it coated you like a thin cloak? Bowels huh? Intestines? That would include the gall bladder.

**vee** · 06-26-2008 12:23 PM

Also heard one time it was the pituitary gland. Is that in the brain?

**Carôusoul** · 06-26-2008 12:45 PM

The pituitary gland is in the brain, yes. Descartes believed the pituitary gland linked the mind with the body.

I'm quite convinced that a soul in the sense of the word you mean does not exist. All our conscience is is a running cumulation of experiences over a physical groundwork of genes.

Which means now you are not the same person as when you started reading this post; you different every second and you are constantly shifting sum of many parts which are adding and subtracting each other all the time. When we die these parts all cease working, which finally vindicates the illusion of a steady consciousness

It is one single non physical thing. It is a constantly changing acumulation of many little additions.

**juroara** · 06-26-2008 07:43 PM

if you do an honest enough research, christianity isn't the only religion that presents sound as a creative force. there is even a thread floating around that talks about how every form has a sound/vibration to it. and the question of which came first, the form, or the sound.

definitely gives a new look into how in the beginning there was the word

"The part Im worried about is the gall bladder. Many people have had theirs out. The soul has got to be located in the heart. I thought this was extrememly interesting in light of the Bible's: In the beginning was the word."

haven't there been heart transplants done?

the soul is consciousness. where is consciousness located? except where it is conscious of being?

**Croneus** · 06-27-2008 10:49 AM

My brain and seat of my emotions and located in my pants. They often get me into situations I may or may not have gotten into on my own.

**Omnis Dei** · 06-27-2008 01:31 PM

The soul is not located anywhere in the body, the soul exists in absolutely every piece of matter and energy, it is the core to it all, the essence. The pituitary gland, gall bladder and heart perform functions, they contain our spirit in them yes, but so does everything, not just our bodies but the world around us, too. Our spirit is in everything.

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