Thread: Are All Catholics/christians Sinning Just By Believing?

Satanism,my good man.

Eligos

Originally Posted by Pensive

imagine dieing and being stopped at the pearly gates by Saint Peter saying "Oh, I'm sorry, you're doomed to eternal damnation because you believed in god."
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Man, what a mind job that would be. All of the Atheists go to Heaven. Haha.
It almost reminds me of that South Park where the new people in Hell are screaming that they've been a devoted Christian or Jew or whatever, then the greeter says that Mormon was the correct religion. Then the group, "Awwwwww." Hah.

Technically no. Because God does exist.

How do I know this? Thought he may not be a physical manifestation, he exists in the minds of all Christians. Even if he is not true, he exists as an idea and belief.

Originally Posted by ExoByte

Even if he is not true, he exists as an idea and belief.
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That statement is the equivalent of saying "Even though there is no coke can in front of me, there exists a coke can in front of me as an idea and belief if I close my eyes and pretend it's there".

My point, is that something cannot exist as a belief. Somebody can have a belief about something's existance, but that is NOT the same as something existing AS a belief.

"Belief" is not a form of existance.

Its not a form of PHYSICAL existance, though it does technically exist. Something doesnt have to be physical to exist. Space for example, is not physical. Its there, its on our physical plane, but it has no matter. You cant touch it or feel it. It bears no smell, nor sounds. You cant even see it. You see infinitly into nothingness. Yet, space exists.

Originally Posted by ExoByte

Its not a form of PHYSICAL existance, though it does technically exist. Something doesnt have to be physical to exist. Space for example, is not physical. Its there, its on our physical plane, but it has no matter. You cant touch it or feel it. It bears no smell, nor sounds. You cant even see it. You see infinitly into nothingness. Yet, space exists.
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Semantics.

Empty space does not exist, because empty space is not a "thing".

To say "space exists" is somewhat of a misstatement. What SHOULD be said, is that "Nothing exists at these points in space-time"

An idea or belief is NOT a form of ANY kind of existance, other than conceptual.

It exists in the same way that "blue" exists or that "up" exists.

Alrite, so we'll take a more physical approach.

Its written. On paper, in stone. In books and on film. The idea of God has been presented, and the name has been written. Thus saying, though God the being may not exist, God the word does.

Okay. I can accept that. So, what's your point?

The point is, the idea this thread is saying is that People are sinning just by believing God exists, because it is gambling as there is no proof. Its not gambling if God does exist. God does exist, even if it is just on that peice of paper.

As you can tell, I like to argue

Originally Posted by ExoByte

The point is, the idea this thread is saying is that People are sinning just by believing God exists, because it is gambling as there is no proof. Its not gambling if God does exist. God does exist, even if it is just on that peice of paper.
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AGAIN, you've made a misstatement.

Your conclusion from your previous post, was that the word God exists when written down on paper. This is NOT tantamount to saying that "God exists on paper". You've made the EXACT same illogical leap that you made with reference to belief:

A person's belief in something does NOT equate to the existance of that thing as a belief.
JUST THE SAME AS:
The existance of a word on a piece of paper does NOT equate to the existance of the thing that word describes, even if only "on a piece of paper".

Originally Posted by The

AGAIN, you've made a misstatement.

Your conclusion from your previous post, was that the word God exists when written down on paper. This is NOT tantamount to saying that "God exists on paper". You've made the EXACT same illogical leap that you made with reference to belief:

A person's belief in something does NOT equate to the existance of that thing as a belief.
JUST THE SAME AS:
The existance of a word on a piece of paper does NOT equate to the existance of the thing that word describes, even if only "on a piece of paper".
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I never said God "truely " exists.

I said people believe God exists, and TECHNICALLY, they are right as God exists on paper.

That said, no real point is proven. Its just a technicality.

It's not a technicality. God does not exist on paper. The WORD "God" exists on paper. The meaning is significantly different.

Catholic here. No, gambling is not listed in the ten commandments. So, not a sin to gamble.

The closest one is I shall not steal so, since the gambling institution is practically stealing from players then the owners are practically sinners hehehe.

Sorry for the font size. It's tough to post between two ramblers and get noticed (Sorry guys)

Originally Posted by icuurd12b42

Catholic here. No, gambling is not listed in the ten commandments. So, not a sin to gamble.

The closest one is I shall not steal so, since the gambling institution is practically stealing from players then the owners are practically sinners hehehe.

Sorry for the font size. It's tough to post between two ramblers and get noticed (Sorry guys)
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Well, I have to say I was waiting for something like that to come up. I knew I was wrong somewhere. Dammit.

At least I got a nice argument going.

God is just like facism. It is in your head and it is often indoctrinated and it sucks balls.

Originally Posted by The

That statement is the equivalent of saying "Even though there is no coke can in front of me, there exists a coke can in front of me as an idea and belief if I close my eyes and pretend it's there".

My point, is that something cannot exist as a belief. Somebody can have a belief about something's existance, but that is NOT the same as something existing AS a belief.

"Belief" is not a form of existance.
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um that doesn't really matter to christians. they believe in something and thus it is so.

and to the topic starter: catholics dont believe gambling is a sin (i believe only mormons do), and if they did, believing in God wouldn't be considered gambling because the statement that it is sin (having assumed there is, which there isn't) is a man-written doctrine for Catholics, while another doctrine (clearly) states that catholics believe in one god, and thus a god. In the spirit of me just reading the thread mentioning dogma, i believe that would negate all existence

Somehow I feel like some Catholics do believe that gambling is a sin...I mean, you can't say- well...not on the 10 commandments, so it isn't a sin. There're a lot of sins that aren't in the top 10...

IMO, One thing, gambling is just hoping that you get it good, because you know what your odds are for the most part. The other thing is having faith in something. You can have faith that you win money, but that's just a different sort of conotation that the English language provides us...

I don't really care about gambling though, so...

Originally Posted by Orcanta

Somehow I feel like some Catholics do believe that gambling is a sin...I mean, you can't say- well...not on the 10 commandments, so it isn't a sin. There're a lot of sins that aren't in the top 10...
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Of course you can. They are the listed sins. They are not the top 10, they are the commandments.

If you are not happy with these ten and want more (why would you), then yes, some people do tend to interpret other sins from the rest of the bible (even if there are explicit text warning not to do so, right after the 10 commandments are issued). They are wrong to do so though. As a Catholic, there is no other sin.

Originally Posted by Pensive

OK, so since this forum is pretty messed up, I decided to post this here. What's the worst that can happen?

Christians and Catholics all believe that gambling is a sin... right? I might be wrong, but that's what I've heard. So therefore, all of them are automatically sinning by signing up to the religion... because believing in god is in itself gambling! There is no proof to suggest god exists at all, therefore believing in him is a very VERY big gamble. If you're right, well done, here's your ticket to heaven. If you're wrong, you've wasted a lot of time and effort, maybe even your whole life. And even if the christians or catholics in question believe with 100% certainty that god exists, they're still gambling, because no matter what their personal opinion is, there is no proof whatsoever!

So, I've caught god in the act of possibly the greatest conspiracy on earth... imagine dieing and being stopped at the pearly gates by Saint Peter saying "Oh, I'm sorry, you're doomed to eternal damnation because you believed in god."

Now, go ahead and prove that I'm hopelessly wrong.
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HAHA ok, first off I am Christian mk? And I don't want to get into a debate about what gambling really is, but I must say that believing in God was the smartest choice I will have ever made in my existance.

We are risking what? 80 years? what are we missing? immorality is something I can live without.

Through not believing in God you are risking eternity, let me emphasize that *ETERNITY*. I know that our society has turned eternity into some kind of big joke, I understand, it is hammered into our heads that we are to live for the *now*. I must say that not caring about eternity is a massive risk that need not be taken but it is also an incredible lack of forsight.

Someday, whether it be in this lifetime or the day you are standing before God, the veil will be raised. And thats the truth brother.