Thread: Another Huge GOD Bash

Actually, the name 'human' has nothing to do with hues at all.
The word "human" is from humanus, the adjectival form of homo. The word homo is simply the Latin for "person", chosen originally by Carolus Linnaeus in his classificatory system.
And of course our species is named Homo Sapiens in full.

Nothing to do with colours or transitions

Originally posted by Awaken4e1

First, it is a fundamentally inherent trait, in graphed into the psyche of hued-man kind to question everything.

Consciousness, coupled with a natural compulsion towards survival, equals the tendency to believe in a supernatural being that can grant us a supernatural transcendency from our physical forms.

Thank goodness for our "fundamentally inherent trait" to question everything, else we would still be stuck in the Dark Ages.

Originally posted by Awaken4e1
Logic can’t do it

I'm not even going to start on this.

Originally posted by kimpossible
I don't necessarily buy that either.

I'm willing to go with Potential and eventual entropy of Potential based on Chaos Theory or similar extension to thermodynamics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ekpyrotic

This book im reading now called Manifold Orgin by Stephen Baxter talks alot about evolution and the main character said somthing in it that I find very true.

"Religion is like a bargain, you trade your time and a cut of your paycheck for the freedom from fear of death" "And possibly its not a bad bargain"

I know it wasnt worded exactly like that, but you get the main idea.

Originally posted by bradybaker


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ekpyrotic

Yeah, as far as cosmology goes - I'm willing to entertain the Ekpyrotic Scenario...

Well that was a lot of nothing. So you prayed. And got some 'revelation' that involved nothing to make anybody but yourself determine it as anything more than JUST a dream. That led you to post here and say that us science geeks are all going to come crawling back to religion someday. In short, you have no evidence why, no reason for us to do so now, and pretty much no argument whatsoever. Yeah. Be sure not to trip over your own feet.

And Brady--I could agree with that theory as well. Seems logical, maybe I'll have time later to finish reading all the fine print.

Originally posted by Tsen
Well that was a lot of nothing. *So you prayed. *And got some 'revelation' that involved nothing to make anybody but yourself determine it as anything more than JUST a dream. *That led you to post here and say that us science geeks are all going to come crawling back to religion someday. *In short, you have no evidence why, no reason for us to do so now, and pretty much no argument whatsoever. *Yeah. *Be sure not to trip over your own feet.

And Brady--I could agree with that theory as well. *Seems logical, maybe I'll have time later to finish reading all the fine print.

Thanks for the input but I’m a science geek also and I have the piece and direction of god. I’m not trying to prove you wrong. God is opening a door for you if you want to steep threw it. I have had the same piece from god wile wide-awake. Even you must realize that there is real communication in dreams. Maybe your not at this sight to talk about dreams, I will share one more scripture that is directly connected to my life. It says young men will have visions and old men will dream dreams. When I was young just laying back on a cot in the middle of the day I had a vision that flashed threw my mind. I have to stop and think who I am sharing this with because I need to discern sometimes who to share it with. I will share this with the world and you are the world. In the vision god let me see what mans mind looks like to him. I mean like an x-ray vision type of sight. This is serious stuff. To put it in short it was and is a very ugly thing. Again being serious. It reminded me of like something from an Outer Limits moves. Ugly and full of sin. Tears came to my eyes after I sat up having realized what I just witnessed. Here’s a way maybe you can understand that vision. Your and intellect I’m an intellect and for the most part the IQ can be like a curse. Do you love your mother? Do you love a brother or sister. Is that love real? God loves you and that’s real. He wants to help you see. Not a religion but a real person named Jesus. Ask him into you life. You’ll never be the same.

Good Posting!

Just like when you looked into and gave your selves to LDing. If you give him a try he will help you and you will have other experiences. Here’s another one that happened to me. I was in the mountains of Pennsylvania and wile walking up an incline in the middle of the day I heard a voice from right behind me say ”John this is Jesus I am with you”. I turned around and looked but no one was there. Talk about getting high!

Originally posted by dreamtamer007
I wasn’t going to post here again but god wants me to. Yea, you read that right. . So maybe were all here for that on big spiritual journey. Some call Christians bible thumpers. *

We as Christians have found a piece that tells us we are on the path that our creator intended. I don’t want to post here and debate anymore but will if god leads. Anyway, yes you will only get to experience the piece from god with first believing and sure enough, maybe when you get low enough, you will ask him to come into your life and help. *

Maybe some are smart enough to ask before things get that rough. Unfortunately I was not one of them. I had to get in a world of shet before I did so, Let those that have ears hear what the spirit is saying to the churches.

Brother, I really appreciate your obedience to God for that, I to be going to stop posting here as well. But God spoke to me, and told me to continue here are those who hear without the sarcasm, and ridicule.

So I began again to post, but with a different intent. I would have just figured that the majority of the people who come to this site never post at all, but just read all the others who do.

So this and every other post from now on is for them. To many people believe that if your Christian than you have a milk-toast spine, (not here baby) as I can see you to are of great character.

Thank you very much for your obedience to God, I stand with you in your faith.

The Rev.

Just a little foot note:
To those who have such vast intellects, and no spiritual understanding.

It is written: those who have not yet discovered that they are God’s children. You are, as the Word refers to you (dead.) This is very sad because there are many who are praying for those who are in this state.

But as usual the dead are they who only attack that which they don’t understand. Many posts are started in good faith, with the hope that someone would be touched by it, and respond. But, those who spend their time seeking ‘whom they may devour’ for such things grammatical errors, and they suppress those who are seeking the truth. It just goes to show, that with all that learning you still haven’t learned how to be a leader or even a good example to those who have not been educated.

There is a beginning which occurs when one realizes they are God’s child, it is a new beginning! They are now new, and their years begin at that point. And it is sad that those who are of the mind and its abilities will never know the Joy! Of belonging to the Creator! So with all your brains, who still are nothing more than dead in God’s eyes, and that is sad because you’re vast intellect keeps you from knowing ‘Wisdom’!

The Rev.

So what is it about lucid dreaming that attracts rabidly obnoxious bible-thumpers?

And why is it that rabidly obnoxious bible-thumpers are so set on growing their number? Is it insecurity? Or is it simply mob-mentality and knee jerk reaction? **

** This query is intended to exclude the subset of those which believe their diety speaks to them in auditory hallucination. That's called a pathology and is well-explored and reasonably easily treated through therapy and medication.

ok God created the earth and the things that are on it correct in many peoples belefies but what most of them dont take in to consideration is that God also created evolution in a way. to keep the things he created alive they needed the abillity to adapt to there suroundings..... ok thats all i got i had a bottle rocket moment

I have no problem with God existing, I just want to know why you can't accept that things had to start SOMEWHERE.

Originally posted by dreamtamer007
piece and direction of god

I think you meant 'peace'

As a matter of fact, consider proofreading your posts before sending them. The spelling errors kill me.

Ok. Being the agnostist (word?) that I am, I'm speaking from a completely neutral position as far as whether God exists or not, so I don't want to hear anything from believers about how I "just don't understand" or "refuse to see truth" or that I'm bashing their religion.

But one has to wonder so many things when looking at God and Religion. First of all, the word "faith" is almost synonymous with "naivete" when it comes to an area like religion. Your faith stems more from your upbringing and the influences around you, than it does from personal experience. That faith then multiplies upon itself Through personal experience because you're crediting every "positive" or "mysterious" experience as a credit toward your belief. Every negative experience, as explained by whoever it is that is guiding you through the parameters of your religion, has a meaning to it that, somehow, excuses your diety from responsibility. It is either flat out your fault, or it "Happened for a reason." While still hung on the finality of whether "God exists or not," I have a problem with this.
Is it not true that the Bible itself has been changed in the past? That it was altered from the traditional Pagan bible, to what is now (to the degree of a MASSIVE change) the more modern, Catholic version? If I'm wrong, please correct me, because I don't follow too many religious circles and am simply gathering more information by presenting what I've already heard or read. If this is true, what does complete faith in what you, a person of this era, believe in mean? Does it mean you have faith in "The Truth" or an "altered version of the truth?"
It is said that the bible is Not to be taken literally, which many religious folk actually do. It was written in a time where literary art was filled with many double entendres (sp?) and other word-play formations, but is now presented to a modern society where much of the population can hardly accurately define the word 'metaphor.' If these people have their honest faith in God, but do not understand the bible for its Figurative nature, are they damned? If they think they understand the bible, and live by their own interpretation of it, are they denied paradise because they don't Fully understand the nature of their religion? And if you know the answer to this, please elaborate on How you know the answer to this.
Also, why is it that one is considered 'dead' for not believing in God, in God's eyes? If we are all God's children, and he loves us all, is that love severed if the 'child' grows up without a large amount of exposure to God? If a child grows up in an area that doesn't travel in religious circles, or better yet was born into a different religion all together, does this child (many of whom have No control of what kind of religion their folks bring them up in) lose the love of God because he's forced into a position of nonbelief or uncertainty? I would consider this to be an act of a selfish diety; one that somewhat delights in emotional dettachment from anyone who may not know enough about his 'existence' to have complete and utter Faith. As humans (and quite possibly as a fundamentally Living thing) we have this psychological instinct to question things that aren't quite easy to conceptualize. That is a part of who we are. Givin to us by "God," if you want to take the arguement to that perspective. So what you are telling me is that (dismissing the fact that many of us still keep our morals in check, without complete and total belief) someone who so much as Questions God's existence, while competing with a lifetime of experience that seem to Scream denial of his existence, is Not Fit for Paradise when their earthly life is over? In the span of humanity, maybe a small percentage of every human who has ever lived has stuck their complete and utter faith in God. Even this is considering that God has many faces through religion, and in some religions there are in fact many Gods. Who would you be, a person who has never Seen God, to call the claims of any religion other than yours a Lie, and deem the person believing that religion "Not Fit to enter the gates of Paradise?" You speak of prejudice to the religious but completely leave out the prejudice Of the religious that has been responsible for Wars and Hate Crimes Innumerable over the centuries. How many people have killed the innocent "in the name of God" or because "God told them to do it?" You say that you spoke to God, but so do the women that kill their children, the men that kill their families, and the crusaders who slay the thousands. How do you determine who "Really spoke to God?" and who would you be to dare to call any one of them a liar? To do so would be to say that you "know God" well enough, without interaction with a Confirmed Diety (other than the voice in your head that many people blame their homicides on) to assume what he would say while whispering into the ears of those who "Believe."
How is it, in such a sound, enlightened, and 'credible' environment such as religion, catholicism in particular, that many of its most respected advocates, participants, and in deed leaders are constantly being found guilty of many of the same sins they speak publicly against? If God is not master in his own house, who is? And if he IS master of his own house, why are such actions tolerated? How much grime do you think lurks beneath the countless steepled rooftops that go undiscovered? How many corrupt Religious leaders are allowed to prey upon the impressionable minds of those who come to house of God for guidance and understanding of the realm they are supposed to put their full "Faith" in?

Without being so bold as to say God does not exist, one has to wonder how someone could expect to have full and total belief in God while taking a conscious perspective on the many man Many inconsistencies of religion?

Your religion is based more on social interactions and environment. If you weren't born in America, or another widely catholic area, it is safe to say you wouldn't have your unrivaled faith in God, as you now view him, If you were to have faith in one God at all. If what you are saying is correct, you mean to say that if there IS a heaven, anyone born into a family that did not value the concept of God, despite still being God's child, would not be allowed passage into Heaven. THAT...again..I have a problem with.

(Side note: Appolgies for the horrible paragraph formatting. At work without much time to pay attention to that.)

Yay, another internet "Evolution Vs. Creationism" thread
cause a quick google search of other such arguements
will reveal a satisfactory answer for all

Creationism Beleivers
Evolution beleivers are created by God to test your faith. Be nice to them, offer them a refreshing beverage (I recommend Sprite) and be safe in the knowledge that you have furfilled your christian obligation of universal acceptance and understanding
Be thankful that God has chosen you to relieve the thirst of an evolution believer and that your non-confrontation actions will please God

Evolution Beleivers
Creationism beleivers are, by your very nature, to be expected. For to evolve mentally, old-fashioned notions and ideas must be proven (for good or ill) for you to accept them. Offer the creationists a refreshing beverage (Red wine seems to go down well, here) and accept the fact that only the strongest and most adaptable will survive in the long run.
Be thankful for other people's differing view points, as this is the essence of diversity needed in a healthy evolving community, and that your non-confrontation actions will ensure continuation of natural selection.

Thank you, and good night

Well put O-naut! (albeit your aforementioned paragraph structure)

Your religion is based more on social interactions and environment. If you weren't born in America, or another widely catholic area, it is safe to say you wouldn't have your unrivaled faith in God, as you now view him, If you were to have faith in one God at all. If what you are saying is correct, you mean to say that if there IS a heaven, anyone born into a family that did not value the concept of God, despite still being God's child, would not be allowed passage into Heaven. THAT...again..I have a problem with. [/b]

That's also my main problem with religion...especially monotheistic ones. I believe it was Spoon, in another thread, that brought up a smiliar point. That point has yet to be addressed and I'm highly doubtful it ever will.

You say that you spoke to God, but so do the women that kill their children, the men that kill their families, and the crusaders who slay the thousands. How do you determine who \"Really spoke to God?\" and who would you be to dare to call any one of them a liar?[/b]

I feel that if someone is gullible enough to believe in religous dogma (especially that of a monotheistic flavor), then it wouldn't surprise me that they \"think\" they hear voices from their creator.

Your faith stems more from your upbringing and the influences around you, than it does from personal experience. That faith then multiplies upon itself Through personal experience because you're crediting every \"positive\" or \"mysterious\" experience as a credit toward your belief. Every negative experience, as explained by whoever it is that is guiding you through the parameters of your religion, has a meaning to it that, somehow, excuses your diety from responsibility. It is either flat out your fault, or it \"Happened for a reason.\" [/b]

Add to this the modus-operandi of life which grants a brief spell of consciousness to all living stuff and engenders a powerful compulsion towards survival. This provides a sure recipe for imagining a scheme in which stuff becomes immortal and given the evident indifference of the environment and disease to which stuff is subject, it would feel greatly comforted by the idea that someone was looking out for it all the same. And this emotional investment becomes yet another reason to overlook the unlikeliness of an imagined designer.

Without being so bold as to say God does not exist, one has to wonder how someone could expect to have full and total belief in God while taking a conscious perspective on the many man Many inconsistencies of religion? [/b]

Religion (in some manner or another) can be found at every corner of our globe. What made so many cultures create the concept of God? What was the basic motive? What was the purpose? Was it fear of the unknown?

These are the questions that I'm still seeking answers towards. Well that and where to find Mo Naked Hoes.

Ps. I forgot to add....

That's my philosophy of live
the best part about it, is anyone who argues with you comes across as a selfish arse who has no respect for others

By the way, now might be a good time to introduce the Golden Ratio, and explain that man's evolution, God and the whole of the universe are united under one irrational number

Fi Phi Fo Fum
I smell the blood of a circular arguement, son

Yes, his spelling is spot-on. As long as his meaning is absolutely different than his intended meaning.
[applaud TygrHawk]

BTW, I think he might have one of those correct, however:

God is opening a door for you if you want to steep threw it.

That may be the secret. You need to steep threw that door. [sic]

[pulls out a gigantic pan of near-boiling water, steeps the door, then tosses it. Nothing happens.]

Damn, oh well.

Originally posted by Oneironaut
Ok. Being the agnostist (word?) *that I am, I'm speaking from a completely neutral position as far as whether God exists or not, so I don't want to hear anything from believers about how I \"just don't understand\" or \"refuse to see truth\" or that I'm bashing their religion.)

Before I get start I would first like to say ‘Great Post’

Now, I would like to cover some of you questions, if I may?

‘First ‘Faith is not naiveté it is the act of knowing the natural law, and seeing beyond it.

Every negative experience, as explained by whomever it is that is guiding you through the parameters of your religion, has a meaning to it that, somehow, excuses your deity from responsibility.”

To those who know the purpose of good and evil also know that it is all part of the plan which God has for Man. It is not a shirking of a responsibility; it is the emersion of Man into a mixture, to bring him out of the negative experience with more than he had when he went into it.

Is it not true that the Bible itself has been changed in the past?

Yes, it is true, but for the most part it has changed for the betterment of the masses.
But on the same token, in some circles it has changed to serve the lusts of Man.

A little foot note here: There are over 30,000 mistranslations within the KJV of the Bible.
Any text interpreted by man is going to have errors, but this is any God gives His Spirit to His people to know the true Word interpreted by the Spirit.

Pagan bible”

I don’t believe that any book referred to as the Bible can ever be referred to ‘as pagan’.

If this is true, what does complete faith in what you, a person of this era, believe in mean?

It means that no matter what the outer circumstance tell you, only what your heart aliened with the Word of God tells you what true Faith is.

Does it mean you have faith in "The Truth" or an "altered version of the truth?"

Truth is relative to the experience of the individual; just as a diamond has many fascists so also does Faith, and Truth. We place faith where ever we need it, and one person’s faith can differ from another’s and still be the truth, and true faith.

If these people have their honest faith in God, but do not understand the bible for its Figurative nature, are they damned?

No, it is not mere understanding, which saved you, it is faith. It is you’re belief.

If they think they understand the bible, and live by their own interpretation of it, are they denied paradise because they don't fully understand the nature of their religion?

It is not their understanding of text which saves them, it is their faith which plainly put is (believing in something they can’t see or explain.) God doesn’t judge us, only we judge ourselves. I know this because there is a new ability in me which God give to all his people. An ability to lay down intellect, and walk by what our heart already knows.

Also, why is it that one is considered 'dead' for not believing in God, in God's eyes?

Because according to the Word a man who is not regenerated, or in other terms born again, (sorry about the terminology) does not have the ability to commune with God’s Spirit, So he is dead in the spirit, also God can not look on any one who is not regenerated because of sin.

If we are all God's children, and he loves us all, is that love severed if the 'child' grows up without a large amount of exposure to God? If a child grows up in an area that doesn't travel in religious circles, or better yet was born into a different religion all together, does this child (many of whom have No control of what kind of religion their folks bring them up in) lose the love of God because he's forced into a position of non-belief or uncertainty?

In every person’s life there are circumstances which we are all faced with, one of which is the place in our life where we search our heart to find our origin. It is not based on any religious underpinnings but is a build-in course of human life. So, even if some one is not raised in a ‘religious home’ there will come a time in that person’s life where they must find faith on their own.

So what you are telling me is that (dismissing the fact that many of us still keep our morals in check, without complete and total belief) someone who so much as Questions God's existence, while competing with a lifetime of experience that seem to Scream denial of his existence, is Not Fit for Paradise when their earthly life is over?

It is only a human conception that God will hold paradise from those who did not believe in Him. To the contrary our reward of Paradise is solely guarantee on our asking for that gift. Hi is only the result of God holding anything back from us. ‘Look at is this way, If you where to sole heir to a vast fortune, it is there for you to take at anytime, but if you don’t know to ‘take’ it then you wont receive it. The same is true for Paradise. You don’t have because you don’t ask.

God has many faces through religion, and in some religions there are in fact many Gods.

True, there are many faces of God but only ‘One God’ with many faces.

Who would you be a person who has never Seen God, to call the claims of any religion other than yours a Lie?

Only those of a spurious nature would even claim they ‘alone’ know the True God.

Wars and Hate Crimes Innumerable,

There must be a clear understanding between ‘Causality’ and an act of God.
But let me just say here: I am in no position to tell God what He can, and can not do. God will have mercy on which He will, and He will kill whom He will.

Many people blame their homicides on,

‘Thou shalt not murder’
God does not command any one to do that which is contrary to His Word.

Leaders are constantly being found guilty of many of the same sins they speak publicly against?

Remember ‘Causality’ Man will always fail you; God will never fail you, Look at God not man.

How many corrupt Religious leaders are allowed to prey upon the impressionable minds of those who come to house of God for guidance and understanding of the realm they are supposed to put their full "Faith" in?

Every man will be held accountable for hi own actions, no one is getting away from their deeds, especially not those who claim themselves to be men of God.

Many inconsistencies of religion?

As long as man is in the flesh, he will be subject to vanity, (not willingly) and this causes man to miss the mark (to sin)

You mean to say that if there IS a heaven, anyone born into a family that did not value the concept of God, despite still being God's child, would not be allowed passage into Heaven.

Again, it is not a matter of being restricted from Heaven; it is that you can not live in Heaven without being a Spiritual Creature in born of God in fellowship with God, which again brings me back to the fact that if your not regenerated you are not able to live in Heaven. It is a matter of spiritual law, not of be better than some one else. It’s a gift! Take it.

Amen Brother!

>> Yes, it is true, but for the most part it has changed for the betterment of the masses

By what measure?

>> Faith is not naiveté it is the act of knowing the natural law

You have certainly demonstrated the opposite by repeatedly showing a cluelessness in regard to "natural law".

>> plan which God has for Man

Could you ask your god to send me a copy? I'm sure he has my email address. I'd like to review it. Surely it's subject to peer review?

>> don’t believe that any book referred to as the Bible can ever be referred to ‘as pagan’.

That's pretty shallow!


>> Truth is relative to the experience of the individual

No. Truth, by definition, is constant. Otherwise it isn't true.


>> which saved you, it is faith. It is you’re belief

So if I decide to believe, I can run around whacking people by the thousands. Like the crusades, right? Seems kinda convenient!


>> So, even if some one is not raised in a ‘religious home’ there will come a time in that person’s life where they must find faith on their own.

Yeah. Your diety is pretty racist!

>> God will have mercy on which He will, and He will kill whom He will.

Seems pretty arbitrary and immature. Like he needs a good ass-whoopin', maybe. Anyone have a birch-tree handy that I might borrow a branch from?

>> Man will always fail you

So what about the times that man hasn't failed me? Boolean Algebra now disproves that whole statement. Beyond that - a man is always true to his nature. Figure out his nature and you know the measure of the man.

>> As long as man is in the flesh, he will be subject to vanity, (not willingly) and this causes man to miss the mark (to sin)

One of my biggest problems with religion in general is the bullshit excuses to cover holes and flaws. If I were creating something to keep the sheeple in line, I'd make it a LOT simpler. Much fewer holes that way. Your church should really consider a simplification that makes it harder to call bullshit on. If they whacked their bible down to about five pages, it'd be a heck of a lot easier to be self-consistant. And much harder to laugh at. Just a word of advice, feel free to pass it along to your god.

>> It’s a gift! Take it.

Price is too high. "Check your brain at the door" just doesn't work out for me, but thanks anyway!