Thread: <atheist only>

Well, the reason for religion is that people want rules to follow.

I would have thought if you were an atheist then you would not seek such rules.



Of course, that is speaking very generally, as there are many other reasons behind religious choices.

Originally Posted by Barns

Well, the reason for religion is that people want rules to follow.

I think that is hardly the reason for religion. That is probably the ideal reason for religion.

Anyway, I was just wondering if any atheists out there had something that they follow. I know that in places like Asia and I think japan a lot of the atheists there follow dao and Confucianism. Although when I say dao, I mean the non religious sections.

I consider myself atheist (although I would prefer another title..) and I feel I have a very strong set of ethics and principles that I live by.

Consider the link in my signature "What is the onus...?" to see what I follow. Essentially, I call it "Chaotic Eudaimonia" and I am really considering making it into a book.

Let me know what you think, please.

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It's Tao, no?


Anyhow; I have a moral code based on Utilitarianism and classic Virtue Ethics and Extistentialism and Humanism.

Originally Posted by O'nus

I consider myself atheist (although I would prefer another title..) and I feel I have a very strong set of ethics and principles that I live by.

Consider the link in my signature "What is the onus...?" to see what I follow. Essentially, I call it "Chaotic Eudaimonia" and I am really considering making it into a book.

Let me know what you think, please.

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I dislike eudaimonia. Part of Aristotle's Eudaimonia involves having the best slaves you can. Seems outdatedddd.


Although I have no idea what you mean by sanction eudaimonia or chatoic eudaimonia.

Originally Posted by Car&#244;usoul

I dislike eudaimonia. Part of Aristotle's Eudaimonia involves having the best slaves you can. Seems outdatedddd.


Although I have no idea what you mean by sanction eudaimonia or chatoic eudaimonia.

Please consider that I have re-vised the definition and integrated it as it seemed best suited to my views with certain modifications (ie. slaves..).

I would invent a new word, but eudaimonia is very close to what I would use. So I use it anyway since most people do not even know its origin otherwise.

Chaos is the function that allows eudaimonia to propogate.

Sanction eudaimonia is my suggestion to hold eudaimonia to be a principle in lifes decisions as it ought to bring about the best result (via chaos).

Edit: I see my view very synonymous to humanistic existentialism.

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Originally Posted by O'nus

Please consider that I have re-vised the definition and integrated it as it seemed best suited to my views with certain modifications (ie. slaves..).

I would invent a new word, but eudaimonia is very close to what I would use. So I use it anyway since most people do not even know its origin otherwise.

Chaos is the function that allows eudaimonia to propogate.

Sanction eudaimonia is my suggestion to hold eudaimonia to be a principle in lifes decisions as it ought to bring about the best result (via chaos).

Edit: I see my view very synonymous to humanistic existentialism.

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From what I've seen of you Existentialism seems more suited.. eudaimonia feels misleading somehow.

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

From what I've seen of you Existentialism seems more suited.. eudaimonia feels misleading somehow.

Likely, I really do embrace existentialism.

However, consider:

Revised Eudaimonia encapsulates:
- Pursuit of happiness
- Utilitarian perspective
- Empathetic
- Integrity (Social and Personal)
- Optimism

It is eudaimonia that suggests to you, "I ought to help that person pick up what they dropped" or do some other action that simply benefits others. However minor it is, it will effect many people in the long run which is where I implement chaos theory.

See where I am coming from now..?

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Originally Posted by O'nus

Likely, I really do embrace existentialism.

However, consider:

Revised Eudaimonia encapsulates:
- Pursuit of happiness
- Utilitarian perspective
- Empathetic
- Integrity (Social and Personal)
- Optimism

It is eudaimonia that suggests to you, "I ought to help that person pick up what they dropped" or do some other action that simply benefits others. However minor it is, it will effect many people in the long run which is where I implement chaos theory.

See where I am coming from now..?

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Yess I understand; It's just it's a rather revised version of the widely taken view of eudaimonia- but I understand, and it makes sense yeah.




I don't fully trust utilitarianism anymore however. But I understand it with moderation and logical consideration with other aspects taken into account

I do whatever I think will make me happiest.

This often leads to me making other people happy, because through empathy doing so pleases me.

That simple, really.

• Life is meaningless and has no value
• You are going to die eventually, do whatever without worrying about it.
• Revenge is a right

Originally Posted by Pyrofan1

• Life is meaningless and has no value
• You are going to die eventually, do whatever without worrying about it.
• Revenge is a right

kill yourself if it has no value.

Originally Posted by Pyrofan1

• Life is meaningless and has no value
• You are going to die eventually, do whatever without worrying about it.
• Revenge is a right

This is the atheist stereotype propagated by Christians.

Anyway, out of the philosophies I have studied (which aren't many) I like Buddhism and think it has some great principles to live by. But I don't follow any set rules, I'm similar to gnome. I have one number one rule, watch out me and my own. Like most of the population I enjoy helping people, but it is not in my genetic makeup for it to be a first priority. I am very big on people "helping themselves". This is the only reason I won't call myself a democrat, they give way to much money to poor people who aren't willing to help themselves. I came from a poor uneducated family who worked hard to make ends meet and am now the first in my family to go to college. That's called helping yourself.

So that's the rules I live by, look out for me and my own, and help yourself to become educated and an asset to society.

Or something like that.

I do whatever whenever, however. When I wanna.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

I do whatever whenever, however. When I wanna.

wow.


no you dont.

you're too scared to.

I really don't have any rules or morals, since I'm an atheist. My daily job is a serial killer, and I'm paid a 1 hour prostitute visit for each murder + &#163;200'000.

What?

Nah, I follow the law that is set, and then the morals that I have. I can't really say I have any "out of the ordinary!" rules though, that I might follow.

Originally Posted by Car&#244;usoul

wow.


no you dont.

you're too scared to.

???

Originally Posted by Barns

Well, the reason for religion is that people want rules to follow.

It's the other way around. People evolved as social animals and therefore have innate rules of behavior, which were included in all religions and reflected in laws.

Religion doesn't work well to enforce civil behavior; the most religious states have the most crime, for example. In places where there is insufficient law enforcement, religion does not work to control people's behavior.

The first thing I thought of was a liberatarian type philosphy; you are free to do with yourself as you please, as long as you don't harm others in the process. (The right to swing your fist ends where the other person's nose begins). This does not include the mental anguish apparently suffered by people who have unsupported beliefs when they are disagreed with.

Well, the reason for religion is that people want rules to follow.

As I've said before: Norway is THE most peacful country, with the highest wages and standard of living, and guess what? Almost ALL atheist.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

As I've said before: Norway is THE most peacful country, with the highest wages and standard of living, and guess what? Almost ALL atheist.

Dude, we should all move there!


<--slinks off to ask his wife permission

Originally Posted by Needcatscan

Dude, we should all move there!


<--slinks off to ask his wife permission

No, it's our duty to stay where we are needed the most.

I've said before: Norway is THE most peacful country, with the highest wages and standard of living, and guess what? Almost ALL atheist.

Wikepedia: "About 17&#37; of Norwedgians do not believe there is any sort of spirit, god, or life force."

I think secularism makes a country great not just atheists. If the country with the most Atheists are the best then Russia should have the highest living standards and highest wages out there.

I'm atheist and as others have said, I follow basic law and basic common sense. Not killing people and not stealing (and etc etc) is common sense to me.

But no, there is no "book of atheism" that lists specific rules for that group of people.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

As I've said before: Norway is THE most peacful country, with the highest wages and standard of living, and guess what? Almost ALL atheist.

Certainly good point. It's a shame Denmark hasn't quite caught up with them. Even the swedes beat us danes, in numbers of atheists