Atheists aren't human.

**Good as Gold** · 07-17-2008 02:27 AM

Hmm, somewhat of a topic pull-in, but then, what the hell do I care?

Christians may be wrong, wrong, wrong, and in many cases stupid to the third degree. They believe in something that does not, cannot, and never will exist due to lack of proof. Or, at least, when presented with proof, said proof can be easily shot down. God doesn't exist. How many times can I say it? If it wasn't a religion most of them would be called crazy. Honestly! A man who raped a young girl to make a son which he would kill later on and rise from the dead to Heaven until the time came when he would slaughter those who don't acknowledge His divine existence? Foolish.

And yet, I identify more with your common, run of the mill, Christian man.

We have different beliefs. I'm not really an atheist, but I don't believe in a god. I'm not a witch, or one of those dumbass agnostics. I'm just a guy, and most of the time I try to avoid religion. I enjoy church, but then again I'd probably enjoy a mosque or a synagogue, too. I just like people.

If I met you atheists I'd probably make fun of you and call you a nerd, or a geek, or what have you. Maybe if you just wanted to hang out we could be buddies and share a beer. But as far as your views... Eh, you're not human.

It sounds deliciously hypocritical coming from me. I don't give a damn.

It's basic human instinct to believe in some manifestation of nature or what have you. Some thought there was a bunch, others thought there was one. Guess who won. By disregarding this, it seems as if you're throwing away a bit of yourself. Or hell, maybe you're really only discovering a newer, better part.

Discuss- which is more human, believing, or not? No smartass comments like, "I believe in a lot of things! LOLLLLL!" Turn it in by Thursday, your grade will be up on Friday. Class dismissed!

**Universal Mind** · 07-17-2008 02:32 AM

Originally Posted by Good as Gold

I'm not really an atheist, but I don't believe in a god.

**Good as Gold** · 07-17-2008 02:34 AM

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I said no smartass comments. But I'd rather be a smartass then a dumbass, so...

Agnostics aren't atheist. I'm not atheist, and I'm not an agnostic. I just don't believe in a god.

**Universal Mind** · 07-17-2008 02:40 AM

Originally Posted by Good as Gold

I said no smartass comments. But I'd rather be a smartass then a dumbass, so...

Agnostics aren't atheist. I'm not atheist, and I'm not an agnostic. I just don't believe in a god.

Then you are an atheist.

**bluefinger** · 07-17-2008 02:48 AM

First of all, Agnosticism is not exclusive to Atheism. Agnosticism deals with what you know, and Atheism deals with what you believe. Not exclusive to each other, mind you. I would classify myself as an agnostic atheist (I no good reason to believe in a deity because there is no evidence for or against the existence of deities). So in a sense, an Agnostic is an atheist in the sense that though he may not be sure, he does not believe in a religion and simply sits on the fence. To him, it may be a valid possibility, but he sees no reason to believe outright. Atheism itself is simply a lack of belief in deities, a position on a single question of "Does a God(s) exist?". Say anything other than yes, then you are an atheist by definition.

As for belief, I believe in many things, because belief is good as long as you have a good reason/justification for it. My beliefs though just do not include the notions of a deity of some kind. Faith is what we don't have. Putting faith into a belief means you have no good reason to justify that belief other than to put an emotional attachment to it. I believe I can't walk through walls because the laws of physics dictate that the electromagnetic interactions at the molecular level between me and the wall would prevent me from doing so, and that the wall is significantly denser and stronger than me. I don't believe in a god of some kind because to me there is no good reason for me to do so.

Also, a majority of opinion does not dictate validity. That is a fallacious premise because a majority can hold any sort of opinion and it may not be a valid one.

For me not being human apparently, my DNA is the same as yours, with only a small difference to dictate that I'm a separate individual than you. This difference can also be observed between you and some Average Joe. How am I not human?

**Universal Mind** · 07-17-2008 03:03 AM

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Then you are an atheist.

Okay, I just debated this in my head for a while. An agnostic has not formed a conclusion on God's existence and generally would not say he does not believe in God. Those are the words of somebody who has formed a conclusion. An agnostic would say he is undecided. He arguably has some belief mixed with significant doubt, but I guess technically an agnostic does not literally "believe in God" all the way, so I guess you can be an agnostic and not believe in God. It is just that an agnostic also does not believe God does not exist. The words, "I do not believe X is the case," usually mean, "I believe X is not the case." But when you dissect your statement in terms of its literal meaning, it could also apply to an agnostic. It gets really confusing. However, if you "do not believe" in God/god(s), you are at least either an atheist or an agnostic.

My swirlie eyes emoticon was meant to be a joke for you to laugh at too. It was not meant as disrespect.

**Serkat** · 07-17-2008 03:15 AM

OMGZ DONT PUT ME INTO YOUR SOCIALLY CONSTRUCTED CATEGORIES. NOOES IM NOT MALE OR FEMALE, IM JUST MYSELF. WHY CANT YOU PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT YOUR STUPID CATEGORIES DONT FIT ON EVERY INDIVIDUAL. BAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWww

(This is not a smartass comment)

**Namaste** · 07-17-2008 03:37 AM

Does it matter what others believe? Let everyone believe what they want and we can all get on with our lives

Social groupings based on beliefs make me tired

It's upsetting that people argue and fight amongst themselves trying to postulate that their belief is the correct one of course in the extreme people kill each other because they perceive that other beliefs are different to theirs - how messed up is that? People can be so primitive!

**really** · 07-17-2008 03:47 AM

LOL

Another confused five year old...

We are humans

Some of us are atheists

Therefore atheists are human.

...

**Chastity-Autumn** · 07-17-2008 04:13 AM

Originally Posted by really

We are humans

Some of us are atheists

Therefore atheists are human.

...

Couldn't have said it better myself!

I don't think it's right to declare that people "aren't human" just because they don't agree with your beliefs.

**Xei** · 07-17-2008 10:41 AM

As for as I'm concerned this is just wrong. Humanity has nothing to do with religion, there is a complete lack of correlation. The best and the worst of humanity has come from atheists and theists.

**really** · 07-17-2008 07:48 PM

However, it is very beneficial to learn about human tendency and why God is doubted; why religions may be dogmatic and contradictory. It is part of human nature, yet the Spiritual Truths of most religions has no relationship with human error, time or place. The core of all religions has not changed, and is Unconditional. Only its expression changes with evolution. It is difficult at first to tell the difference, and many have not bothered discerning it.

**nitsuJ** · 07-17-2008 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by Good as Gold

I'm not really an atheist, but I don't believe in a god. I'm not a witch, or one of those dumbass agnostics.

if you don't believe in a higher being then you're atheist, that's what an atheist is they believe in no higher being, either that or you practice jainism or theravada buddhism, because both of those religions don't require worshiping a personal god

**Mes Tarrant** · 07-17-2008 08:03 PM

Epic lulz at "human instinct" being something intrinsically good.

It's mating season, and my human instinct is telling me to go rape somebody.

Screw all the intellectual bastards who dare to want to rise above and beyond what our race has yet to achieve. To hell with progress.

ANCIENT TIMES FTW!

**Ne-yo** · 07-17-2008 08:07 PM

Looks like some Atheist on Atheist drama was going to unfold. What happened to Good as Gold?

**Good as Gold** · 07-18-2008 02:00 AM

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

Looks like some Atheist on Atheist drama was going to unfold. What happened to Good as Gold?

What about him?

**apachama** · 07-18-2008 04:56 AM

Neither believing not non-believing is more human. Humans are free to think either. Thats why being a Human is awesome.

**archdreamer** · 07-18-2008 07:13 AM

Originally Posted by Good as Gold

I'm not really an atheist, but I don't believe in a god.

Haha, oh wow.

**skysaw** · 07-18-2008 07:33 AM

Sometimes avoiding embarassment is as simple as looking up a word in a dictionary before you vent.

**TimB** · 07-18-2008 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by Good as Gold

I said no smartass comments. But I'd rather be a smartass then a dumbass, so...

Agnostics aren't atheist. I'm not atheist, and I'm not an agnostic. I just don't believe in a god.

Agnosticism has nothing to do with Atheism, or even a god, for that matter. It's about knowledge. Agnosticism says we cannot be sure of any knowledge we have. That no 'absolute' truth can exist.

An atheist doesn't believe in God. Period. That's all there's to it.

Therefore: if you do not believe in a god, you are an Atheist.

YOU ARE AN ATHEIST.

However, to make yourself more presentable, you might just wanna add the word 'agnostic' in front of it. This will then change its meaning to "I don't think God exists/find it highly unlikely god exists, and I don't think we'll ever be able to prove he does."

So you might say you're an 'agnostic atheist', but the fact still stands: no matter how many times you'll say it, if you don't believe in a god, you are an atheist.

Period.

So yeah... Look up before you leap, next time.

And remember, kids: Wikipedia is your friend.

**really** · 07-18-2008 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by skysaw

Sometimes avoiding embarassment is as simple as looking up a word in a dictionary before you vent.

LOL. Hence ignorance.

If one truly researched God, venting wouldn't even exist.

**bluefinger** · 07-19-2008 03:12 AM

Originally Posted by really

LOL. Hence ignorance.

If one truly researched God, venting wouldn't even exist.

How do you research an entity that does not interact with reality?

Ahh, a paradox indeed...

**nitsuJ** · 07-19-2008 03:20 AM

look at me, look at me!!!

i believe in a higher being but i'm an atheist!

**really** · 07-19-2008 05:33 AM

Originally Posted by bluefinger

How do you research an entity that does not interact with reality?

When I say research, I mean Spiritual Practice; study spiritual scriptures of useful integrity, look into with mature understanding. With experience, one will learn what is dogmatic and what is essential, but there are shortcuts.

In "logical" research, there is a limitation in paradigm as described briefly in "Logical". I could say that God Is Reality (and beyond), but that would probably mean nothing to a scientist, who endlessly measures it.

**bluefinger** · 07-19-2008 05:40 AM

Originally Posted by really

When I say research, I mean Spiritual Practice; study spiritual scriptures of useful integrity, look into with mature understanding. With experience, one will learn what is dogmatic and what is essential, but there are shortcuts.

But it still does not concern this reality, and only upon an experience that cannot be quantified in any meaningful way. People pursuing such a path often come to completely different conclusions upon what might be the same experience.

Hence, not reliable.

Originally Posted by really

In "logical" research, there is a limitation in paradigm as described briefly in "Logical". I could say that God Is Reality (and beyond), but that would probably mean nothing to a scientist, who endlessly measures it.

Yes, it would be meaningless, because you would be adding unnecessary complexity upon an already complex reality. For example:

??? -> God -> Reality

Can simply be shortened for more practical purposes to:

??? -> Reality

Thus a Scientist concerns only with that that can be defined and measured in Reality. Questions of Spiritual nature have no bearing to what Reality dictates.

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