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      Can you sin in your dreams?

      Many religions regard excessive sinful thoughts as being, well, sinful. So, lets use lust as the obvious example. Let's say you are a highly religious person and you are abstinent, but you dream of having a great big homo gangbang. Since you have acted out your fantasy and even in the dream you may have knowingly 'sinned', from a religious perspective would this really be regarded as a sin?

      I am quite interested to hear your ideas on this.
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      well, for that you have to ask on simple question. Lucid or non-lucid?

      A big homo gangbang in your head is just as bad as any, so long as you CHOSE to participate. Non-lucid homo gangbangs are just attempts by the devil to pursuade you against god.

      To give proof of this....
      You are considered an adulterer even if you only imagine it, same principle

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      Quote Originally Posted by metcalfracing View Post
      well, for that you have to ask on simple question. Lucid or non-lucid?

      A big homo gangbang in your head is just as bad as any, so long as you CHOSE to participate. Non-lucid homo gangbangs are just attempts by the devil to pursuade you against god.

      To give proof of this....
      You are considered an adulterer even if you only imagine it, same principle
      Did you imagine a big homo gangbang while writing this, SINNER!!?
      “To dream anything that you want to dream. That's the beauty of the human mind. To do anything that you want to do. That is the strength of the human will. To trust yourself to test your limits. That is the courage to succeed.” - Bernard Edmonds

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      I did :3

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      Just lusting after another man/woman is considered adultery according to Jesus, so I would think that dreaming of it would be the same case. As far as regular dreaming goes, it's a little bit of a fuzzy area (for a fundie that is).

      Amazing how terrified fundies are of vag and penis, isn't it?
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      I guess it depends on exactly what religion you are. I doubt that you would have a dream like that unless you were thinking about it, so it may be considered a sin.

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      Quote Originally Posted by guitarboy View Post
      I guess it depends on exactly what religion you are. I doubt that you would have a dream like that unless you were thinking about it, so it may be considered a sin.
      I beg to differ; I've had dreams of me doing things that would be the exact opposite of what I would do if I was conscious.
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      They'd probably consider if it was your free will. And something your will in dreams change. The real question is does it count if you don't remember it?
      "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." -Einstein

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      Well if you want to live life free from sin you must have pure thoughts, pure actions, and pure words.

      Dreams to me represent our deep subconscious thoughts. For me, non-lucid dreams are something that I don't really have control over so it's just sort of an observation of my subconscious. In real life you can become more aware of your thoughts and filter out the negative ones.

      So since dreams are more passive, I find that they are a good indicator of whether your core being has any sinful habits/behaviors. As you begin to grow and change, the actions you take in your dreams are good indicators of your progress. If you are kind and generous in your dreams than that virtue has become well integrated into your subconscious.
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      Quote Originally Posted by JustSoSick View Post
      Did you imagine a big homo gangbang while writing this, SINNER!!?
      Actually yes, I'm an atheist... idiot

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      Quote Originally Posted by sephiroth clock View Post
      So since dreams are more passive, I find that they are a good indicator of whether your core being has any sinful habits/behaviors. As you begin to grow and change, the actions you take in your dreams are good indicators of your progress. If you are kind and generous in your dreams than that virtue has become well integrated into your subconscious.
      I'm obligated to mention that the views and opinions held by this individual do not in any way reflect the views and opinions held by the majority of Dream Views subscribers and may be considered "loony", "nutty", or "just plain ignorant"...

      Dreams are the result of the Random firing of neurons inside your brain and your morality has no bearing on the content of your dreams, unless you are lucid...

      Thank you and please enjoy your movie...

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      Quote Originally Posted by metcalfracing View Post
      Actually yes, I'm an atheist... idiot
      Did I say anything else perhaps?

      I was pretending to be the angry fundie.








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      Being Muslim, I go with the following hadith:

      Ibn Abbas said: A lunatic woman passed by Ali ibn AbuTalib. He then mentioned the rest of the tradition to the same effect as Uthman mentioned. This version has: Do you not remember that the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) has said: There are three whose actions are not recorded: a lunatic whose mind is deranged till he is restored to consciousness, a sleeper till he awakes, and a boy till he reaches puberty?
      So, the only question is whether or not being lucid constitutes being awake. Personally, I'd say no.

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      Quote Originally Posted by JustSoSick View Post
      Did I say anything else perhaps?

      I was pretending to be the angry fundie.








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      ah my bad, I though you were calling me out on my knowledge of the rules surrounding when one can perform a homo gang bang. Sorry bout that... idiot

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      Quote Originally Posted by Kushna Mufeed View Post
      Being Muslim, I go with the following hadith:



      So, the only question is whether or not being lucid constitutes being awake. Personally, I'd say no.
      HELL YEAH!
      The starz...
      The planets...
      The intricate and dynamic machinery of nature...
      Are you saying,
      that all of this was created,
      BY A MONKEY??????

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      idiots
      I live in your philosophy and religion forums.

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      ^ idiot

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      Well, when you look at the teachings in grasshoppism it says that there is no such thing as sin. It is a barrier the mind creates due to imposed conditioning. So, I would say no, you cannot sin in your dreams, because you cannot sin in real life either. Don't put yourself down, enjoy the gangbang, you are not a sinner.

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      idiots idiots idiots idiots idiots!!
      “To dream anything that you want to dream. That's the beauty of the human mind. To do anything that you want to do. That is the strength of the human will. To trust yourself to test your limits. That is the courage to succeed.” - Bernard Edmonds

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      Quote Originally Posted by metcalfracing View Post
      Actually yes, I'm an atheist... idiot
      Quote Originally Posted by JustSoSick View Post
      Did I say anything else perhaps?

      I was pretending to be the angry fundie.








      idiot
      Quote Originally Posted by metcalfracing View Post
      ah my bad, I though you were calling me out on my knowledge of the rules surrounding when one can perform a homo gang bang. Sorry bout that... idiot
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      idiots
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      ^ idiot
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      idiots idiots idiots idiots idiots!!
      I love where this is going. Keep up the intelligent discussion guys.

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      Being Muslim, I go with the following hadith:

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      Ibn Abbas said: A lunatic woman passed by Ali ibn AbuTalib. He then mentioned the rest of the tradition to the same effect as Uthman mentioned. This version has: Do you not remember that the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) has said: There are three whose actions are not recorded: a lunatic whose mind is deranged till he is restored to consciousness, a sleeper till he awakes, and a boy till he reaches puberty?
      So, the only question is whether or not being lucid constitutes being awake. Personally, I'd say no.
      That's probably the most sense that I've heard from the hadith. I have to notice that you said a BOY until he reaches puberty. Does that not include girls?

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      Yes it does. The nature of the Arabic language is different. Usually when there is something said about men or boys, it'll apply to women as well.

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