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      I think it's a common misconception that Jesus was a caucasian man. People who lived in the middle east 2000 years ago weren't white, and one of the reasons Jesus was portrayed as a white man in paintings is because most subsequent painters were european, and were, either ordered by the vatican, or culturally influenced to give a representation of Jesus that people could identify with.

      So why is this conception still widely considered, even among non-whites? Not that color really matters but...

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      Medieval 'art' is the main cause I think. People allways want their imaginairy friend with super-powers to have something in connom with themselves.
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      Jesus is a Jew

      If people cant exept that, they probably arn't Christian in the first place

      to address what you said, it is because the Vatican had a campain against the Jews, claiming they had killed the Son of God

      naturaly, you cant have the masses know that the Son of God is one of the people they are killing and persecuting
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      Imagine Woody Allen as a hippy carpenter. That's Jesus.
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      Jesus might have looked like this:


      Rather than this

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      Quote Originally Posted by Unicorn View Post
      Jesus might have looked like this:


      Rather than this

      [/b]

      I don't think they had no lie relaxor or other Ultrasheen Cosmetics back then. If Jesus was black, he had a huge afro. That would be cool, especially if he acted like Woody Allen.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Burns View Post
      Sorry, I had to...

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      ... I hate you

      okay, maby not hate ...
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      Does it really matter how was he looked like? Take some messages from his work or reject them, it's up to you.
      What is so important in the skin colour? You're not racialist, are you?
      I'm tired being sorry.

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      here here
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      I think you meant "Hear, hear."
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      Quote Originally Posted by Burns View Post
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      Haha, that&#39;s the way Jesus looked like&#33;

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      Quote Originally Posted by Tsen View Post
      I think you meant "Hear, hear."
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      yea, sorry &#39;bout that. keep forgeting
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      Quote Originally Posted by Rav1 View Post
      Does it really matter how was he looked like?[/b]
      Nope, it doesn&#39;t matter, i thought i made that clear in my first post.

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      The major misconception is the fact that non-whites interpret jesus to have been white
      I as an ex-Muslim can tell you that every Muslim I ever encountered and spoke to jesus about regarded saw Jesus as an Arab man, of a relatively similar complexion to that of the Prophet
      Although of course Muslims never paint or draw either of these figures
      This occurs throughout society everywhere, I had a teacher that went to Africa, the Christian congregations their viewed jesus as a negro
      This occurs not just with Jesus
      In European paintings of Heaven you&#39;ll find that the Angels are predomintatly White
      Santa Clause is portrayed as white
      We must also remeber that most things that we believe about jesus are not necessarlity true.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Rav1 View Post
      Does it really matter how was he looked like? Take some messages from his work or reject them, it&#39;s up to you.
      What is so important in the skin colour? You&#39;re not racialist, are you?
      [/b]
      Ha, the irony.

      It were the white people in europe around the middle ages that &#39;took&#39; jesus and turned them into a White Man. In their minds a devine being quite possible coudn&#39;t even be black, so I think. People were pretty darn racist back then.

      Basicly, jesus is white, because people were racist.

      It is also extremly lame how much people do worship an image of some weird, tall, white boy that never existed, and then I even let the existance of jesus christ out of the picture, I just mean such a white dude with super powers never existed.

      Make jesus black again. Like in that song of madonna. One of the few points where madonna had a point.. I think.
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      Im sorry but there again is sub concious racism
      Jesus was niether black nor white
      he was Asian
      an Arab, the very same people that the crusaders murdered, Arabs
      Jesus is either portrayed as white in European and American paintings or as black,
      The white ones are obvious, its just down to old racism and the fact that people find a white Jesus easier to relate to
      The balck jesus is generally used to gather controversory and make a statement
      e.g. Madonna
      rarely is Jesus portrayed to be an Arab
      To many people him bieng an Asian is inconceivable,

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      correction: Jesus is a Jew.

      Arabs are the cousins of the Jews. Arabs from Ishmael, Jews from Jacob, son of Isaac, the brother of Ishmael
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      The whole point of there being no visual record of the appearance of Christ, is that theologically it makes him an Everyman. He was without doubt Jewish in appearance, but with no literal data to go on, people envisage him personally, and this helps endear him to the individual. Is Jesus black? Of course&#33; Is he white? Certainly&#33; Is he Asian, Oriental, Arabic, Latino, Aboriginal or Native American in appearance? Yes... without a doubt... and that is how it should be&#33;


      But keep in mind as well he lived as a child in Egypt where, presumably, his appearance did not make him stand out.
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      Jews and Arabs, wwell yes your correct if your being pedantic but on w hole when discussin apperance they come from the same region and have no discernable physical difference

      and also that depends wether you regard Jews as a race
      or merely people of the same religion

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      Jesus was most definately of a dark complexion. Most people know that, and as a matter of fact, I see more and more images of him gradually getting darker.

      However, one think to concider is that around this era, greeks were the world empire, and most greeks are viewed as a white race. Alot of the misconceptions of the Bible are from the medieval period, where the Catholics created many traditions that were not backed by the Bible, to appeal to its followers.

      Regaurding the "existence" of Jesus. He existed. There are non-biblical sources found from the cultures of that era that back his existence. However, whether or not you believe he did the acts he did is up to you.

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      Just because your not a bigoted fundementalist and you know that Jesus was of a darker complexion doesnt mean you should assume msot people do
      Actually you&#39;ll find most Americans think he was white

      Note: Im not slating Americans before anyone accuses me of it
      Im just saying that tis the home of a great deal of christian fundementalism

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      its not just America, its the whole cured world

      damnit&#33; I with those people would stop giving the rest of us a bad name&#33;
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      Actually you&#39;ll find most Americans think he was white
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      Yeah, actually I&#39;d have to agree with this. But I find it more evident in the older generations. Most of the new breed seem to put two and two together and realize that he must have been dark skined. After all, didnt he spend most of his days traveling in a desert? I dont think they had SPF 80 back then...

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      Keeper, i posted that most Americans think Jesus was white
      you rpelied with its not just america its the whole of the cured world
      i dont bleieve I understadn you
      are you implying that you believe jesus was white
      i surely hope not =)
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