Thread: Creation myth a realistic scenario?

Originally Posted by wendylove

The bible explanation is proberly really good. Firstly god created everything, and yet his greatest creation i.e. life is only on about 0.1% of the planets in the universe. So basically the universe is lifeless.

For most of our history, most humans held themselves categorically different from the animals (with the exception of some shamanic traditions). Eventually most of us adopted a concept of animal in which we ourselves belonged, and we began to recognize that we had more in common with even the plants than we had realized. We discovered whole kingdoms we never knew existed which we also gradually recognized as distant kin.

Yet we still draw the line somewhere around the virus. What the virus and everything more organized that's carbon based are doing is categorically different from the rest of the activity of the universe. How long do you expect that story to hold up?

i'm sorry

but this thread is pretty ignorant

I dont even know who you are arguing against. it's pretty lame. how about we talk about other spiritual and religious philosophies regarding creation? or is all you care about to yell and rant over things rarely no christian even believes in?

Originally Posted by juroara

i'm sorry

but this thread is pretty ignorant

or is all you care about to yell and rant over things rarely no christian even believes in?

I think what she's asking us Does this Creation Myth seem absurd to you or not? Nothing wrong or lame with that. and B this is her thread. If you wanna go and talk shit about the Christian myths of the Hopi Indians by all means do so,

Originally Posted by Juroara

Or is all you car about to yell and rant over things rarely no christian even beleives in?

So what you're telling me is barely any Christians beleive in the bible? Because all those things are mentioned in the bible. Are you calling the Bible a lyer? You're a christian right?, so you're calling god a lyer now?

Originally Posted by Juroara

How about we talk about other Spiritual and Religious Philosphies regarding creation

By all means start your own thread about other Spiritual and Relegious Philosophies regarding creation, No one's got a gun to your head. This is what she chose to make a thread about. Don't like it? GTFO

Originally Posted by wendylove

The bible explanation is proberly really good. Firstly god created everything, and yet his greatest creation i.e. life is only on about 0.1% of the planets in the universe. So basically the universe is lifeless.

Anyway, past explanation from the bible was that the world was in the middle with the sun revolving around earth.

So there is a garden with life in it, and two humans picked an apple. This caused all the disease and sin in the world. This really contradicts a apple a day rule, note apples taste nasty don't eat them.

So god designed us really good, firstly alot of children die of cancer and other disease, which really shows intelligent design.

Anyway, then there was a flood, which is really stupid solution for getting rid off evil, espically since it didn't work. Then god sent down his only son to get rid off sin, however he failed and got killed.

Now were here in modern times. And yet science has shown this story to be a myth, and yet ne yo and other people believe this.

So is this a realistic scenario?

"So there is a garden with life in it, and two humans picked an apple. This caused all the disease and sin in the world. This really contradicts a apple a day rule, note apples taste nasty don't eat them."

the tree was the tree of knowledge of good and evil and was only in the garden of eden, are all apple trees knowledge of good and evil? nope. do we live in the garden of eden? nope.

"So god designed us really good, firstly alot of children die of cancer and other disease, which really shows intelligent design."

many people believe this came to be after adam and eve ate the fruit from the tree.

"Anyway, then there was a flood, which is really stupid solution for getting rid off evil, espically since it didn't work. Then god sent down his only son to get rid off sin, however he failed and got killed."

first of all, if you kill all of humanity there's not much evil anymore is there? jesus was sent to die the sins of people, if he was sent to die and did die how did he fail?


Now were here in modern times. And yet science has shown this story to be a myth, and yet ne yo and other people believe this.

how has science shown it to be myth?

Originally Posted by nitsuJ

how has science shown it to be myth?

Radiometric dating and genetics. We can actually trace how humanity developed and where thanks to our nifty little genes.

Originally Posted by bluefinger

Radiometric dating and genetics. We can actually trace how humanity developed and where thanks to our nifty little genes.

well i believe in evolution.. that still doesn't really prove anything :\

it says god created everything, therefore he could of created the universe like the big bang proposes, a small area with energy, then let it explode, kaboom, etc. etc. etc., live starts to form/evolves, etc. etc. etc., in that sense god still created everything

Originally Posted by nitsuJ

well i believe in evolution.. that still doesn't really prove anything :\

it says god created everything, therefore he could of created the universe like the big bang proposes, a small area with energy, then let it explode, kaboom, etc. etc. etc., live starts to form/evolves, etc. etc. etc., in that sense god still created everything

Actually, it kinda does, because we evolved from a common primate ancestor in Africa, over a process of a few million years. Kinda contradicts the whole Garden of Eden idea.

Originally Posted by nitsuJ

...therefore he could of created the universe like the big bang proposes, a small area with energy, then let it explode, kaboom, etc. etc. etc., live starts to form/evolves, etc. etc. etc., in that sense god still created everything

I don't recall that biblical passage. Plus it conflicts with the whole Adam's rib thing.

Originally Posted by skysaw

I don't recall that biblical passage. Plus it conflicts with the whole Adam's rib thing.

christians think god created everything
the bible is full of contradictions

Originally Posted by bluefinger

Actually, it kinda does, because we evolved from a common primate ancestor in Africa, over a process of a few million years. Kinda contradicts the whole Garden of Eden idea.

O'RLY? I thought you believed that we evolved from non-living matter. You want reach a little further back to explain your position sir.

Originally Posted by skysaw

I don't recall that biblical passage. Plus it conflicts with the whole Adam's rib thing.

and I don't recall this biblical passage:

Originally Posted by wendylove

Anyway, past explanation from the bible was that the world was in the middle with the sun revolving around earth

How do you explain that?

Originally Posted by ShadowNightWing

O'RLY? I thought you believed that we evolved from non-living matter. You want reach a little further back to explain your position sir.

Lol, classic mistake you did there. Also a sign of ignorance to the nth degree. Abiogenesis and Evolution deal with different areas. Let me illustrate:

Abiogenesis = Origins of Life
Evolution = Diversification of Life

Originally Posted by bluefinger

Lol, classic mistake you did there. Also a sign of ignorance to the nth degree. Abiogenesis and Evolution deal with different areas. Let me illustrate:

Abiogenesis = Origins of Life
Evolution = Diversification of Life

Really now? Does Abiogenesis and any of it's hypothesis deal with anything evolving into something else?

Not through change in allele frequency.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

Not through change in allele frequency.

Hmmmm. quite interesting because I just ran across wikipedia that states RNA evolved into DNA.

Originally Posted by wikipeida

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_world_hypothesis

The RNA world is proposed to have evolved into the DNA and protein world of today.

You were saying?

Wait, wait.

Wouldn't the RNA have to have been transported or housed by something?

In order to duplicate itself, whatever housed the molecule would split as well.

And thus, evolution begins.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

Wait, wait.

Wouldn't the RNA have to have been transported or housed by something?

In order to duplicate itself, whatever housed the molecule would split as well.

And thus, evolution begins.

Oh I see. So based off your statement evolution begins at the cellular level. Does this not incorporate Abiogenesis?

Er, no. No not really.

It starts with nucleic acids (remeber RNA was not the same 3BYA as it is now).

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

Er, no. No not really.

It starts with nucleic acids (remeber RNA was not the same 3BYA as it is now).

So RNA has evolved since 3 billion years ago right?

What?

Originally Posted by dragonoverlord

So what you're telling me is barely any Christians beleive in the bible? Because all those things are mentioned in the bible. Are you calling the Bible a lyer? You're a christian right?, so you're calling god a lyer now?

LAME LAME LAME

you must be living in a box if you honestly believe christians take the bible literally. the number of christians that do are in the MINORITY. and those fundies are actually isolated from mainstream christianity

mainstream christianity does not take the creation myth literally, but on a symbolic level. THUS, mainstream christians believe it or not, actually believes in evolution and that the earth is a lot older than 6000 years

these ranting threads are getting OLD. we don't need anymore. you're not going to get a new answers from fundies

and the rest of christianity, isn't asking anyone to take it literally to begin with. the point of this thread? is just to yell whine and bitch. is it too hard to just...get over it?

Well Ne-Yo and SNW and Switch all subscribe to the same nonsense, so... And they post here.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

Well Ne-Yo and SNW and Switch all subscribe to the same nonsense, so... And they post here.

Please, I doubt it. Not that nonesense that Wendylove and Dragonoverlord is trying to dish out.

Originally Posted by juroara

the point of this thread? is just to yell whine and bitch. is it too hard to just...get over it?

Exactly! I couldn't have said better. You took the words right out of my mouth.

the point of this thread? is just to yell whine and bitch. is it too hard to just...get over it?

It was a joke. You know Ne yo saying abiogenesis is rubbish, so made a thread about creation myth, which ne you believes in.

Can't you get a joke.

Its in the title. You know look at the title of ne yo thread and mine.

Shadow, the point in isolating abiogenesis and evolution is to show that how life started is of absolutely no consequence to the theory of evolution.