Thread: Does Jesus accept Christ as his savior?

He already did.

Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. Acts 2:27

For just as Jonah was in the belly of the huge fish for three days and three nights, so the Son of Man will be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights. Mathew 12:40

In it he went and preached to the spirits in prison. 1 Peter 3:19

Now what is the meaning of “he ascended,” except that he also descended to the lower regions, namely, the earth? He, the very one who descended, is also the one who ascended above all the heavens, in order to fill all things. Ephesians 4:9-10

I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades. Revelation 1:18

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

He already did.

Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. Acts 2:27

For just as Jonah was in the belly of the huge fish for three days and three nights, so the Son of Man will be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights. Mathew 12:40

In it he went and preached to the spirits in prison. 1 Peter 3:19

Now what is the meaning of “he ascended,” except that he also descended to the lower regions, namely, the earth? He, the very one who descended, is also the one who ascended above all the heavens, in order to fill all things. Ephesians 4:9-10

I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades. Revelation 1:18

I am talking about his eternal future, not a short visit he made on the way home.

Well then I would argue that the question isn't a serious one. According to the bible, not even normal people who didn't accept Jesus as their savior were to spend eternity in hell. It says that everyone who died before Jesus was crucified went to hell, but that before his resurrection he went their to do battle with satan and 'rescue' those souls and bring them to heaven. Also, the reason why the rest of us would need to accept him to avoid hell (according to the bible) is because we all have sin. Jesus is without sin and so could not be subjected to an eternity in hell.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

Well then I would argue that the question isn't a serious one. According to the bible, not even normal people who didn't accept Jesus as their savior were to spend eternity in hell. It says that everyone who died before Jesus was crucified went to hell, but that before his resurrection he went their to do battle with satan and 'rescue' those souls and bring them to heaven. Also, the reason why the rest of us would need to accept him to avoid hell (according to the bible) is because we all have sin. Jesus is without sin and so could not be subjected to an eternity in hell.

It is not a sin to not accept Christ as your savior?

Not as far as I know. It is only that we all have sinned already and to accept Christ is the only way to be absolved of these sins.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

Not as far as I know. It is only that we all have sinned already and to accept Christ is the only way to be absolved of these sins.

So, hypothetically, if Jesus ever did commit a sin, what would he need to do?

I don't think thats a valid question. Jesus Christ is without sin intrinsically. He is the perfect human, and so for him to commit sin is not an option; if it were, he would not be the messiah. I probably need to point out that I am not a christian and so I can only argue from a completely scriptural standpoint. I don't have any personal beliefs or opinions on the matter.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

I don't think thats a valid question. Jesus Christ is without sin intrinsically. He is the perfect human, and so for him to commit sin is not an option; if it were, he would not be the messiah. I probably need to point out that I am not a christian and so I can only argue from a completely scriptural standpoint. I don't have any personal beliefs or opinions on the matter.

I was asking hypothetically.

But any way, Jesus does not accept Christ, but it doesn't matter because he is sinless. I guess that's the one view we have established so far. Thanks.

I realize it was hypothetical, but the question is a paradox. You are essentially asking, "If Jesus Christ didn't exist, what would he have to do to get in to heaven?" This question has no answer.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

He already did.

Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. Acts 2:27

For just as Jonah was in the belly of the huge fish for three days and three nights, so the Son of Man will be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights. Mathew 12:40
Earth, i.e. a Grave. The Tomb

In it he went and preached to the spirits in prison. 1 Peter 3:19
Where does it say he went into Hell?

Now what is the meaning of “he ascended,” except that he also descended to the lower regions, namely, the earth? He, the very one who descended, is also the one who ascended above all the heavens, in order to fill all things. Ephesians 4:9-10
"The Earth" not Hell.

I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades. Revelation 1:18
Never says he went in

Where in the Bible does it explicitly say "Jesus went into Hell"?

Jesus doesn't believe in Christ. He's a Jew.

Ok i think this is mentioned in Mark and Matthew but here we go..

Jesus entered Jerusalem and went to the temple. He looked around at everything, but since it was already late, he went out to Bethany with the Twelve. The next day as they were leaving Bethany, Jesus was hungry. Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs. Then he said to the tree, "May no one ever eat fruit from you again." And his disciples heard him say it. On reaching Jerusalem, Jesus entered the temple area and began driving out those who were buying and selling there…

When evening came, they went out of the city. In the morning, as they went along, they saw the fig tree withered from the roots. Peter remembered and said to Jesus, "Rabbi, look! The fig tree you cursed has withered!"

Although cursing plants is not specifically a sin. Does this not show cruel behavior, even if it is toward a plant, as the Son of God surely he realized as it was not the season for figs there would be none, and yet he cursed and so killed the plant anyway, it seems like unjust and unnecessary behavior.

It may not be a sin but it suggests he was not a compltetly pure being if he had unnecessary anger at something which was not at fault.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

I realize it was hypothetical, but the question is a paradox. You are essentially asking, "If Jesus Christ didn't exist, what would he have to do to get in to heaven?" This question has no answer.

He would have to come into existence. Then he would have to accept Christ as his savior.

Originally Posted by Elis D.

Where in the Bible does it explicitly say "Jesus went into Hell"?

The word hell only exists in translations of the bible and there is no exact word for it in the original greek, or hebrew. The words used are sheol in hebrew and hades in greek. Sheol can mean the ground, the grave, a garbage dump, or the afterlife (the bad one). Hades can mean the grave, under the earth, and the afterlife either good or bad, and in the context of the greek pantheon, the god of the underworld with both good and bad manifestations. When taken contextually however, it can be shown that when Jesus went to hades for three days and three nights, he went there to do battle with satan, retreive the keys of hades and to preach to the souls imprisoned, and thus bring them to heaven with him upon his ressurrection. 'Under the Earth' and the spiritual hell are virtually synonymous in the context of the bible.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

I realize it was hypothetical, but the question is a paradox. You are essentially asking, "If Jesus Christ didn't exist, what would he have to do to get in to heaven?" This question has no answer.

Try reasoning this view:

That which is "Christ" was before that advent of the man Jesus

Such is present within all individuals

Such is also "the kingdom of heaven", hence the scriptural quote of the kindom of heaven being within you.

If the kingdom of heaven is within you then "hell" must be the opposite, being outside of you, the physical world around you.

In my view, I see one consciousness, having two aspects. One is the outer consciousness, the other the inner consciousness.

The outer is the individual, the existant psyche. Jesus was an outer consciousness.

The inner is what is reffered to as the Christ consciousness. The "Christ" in Jesus Christ.

Put the two together and you have the potential to realize a third distinct aspect.

Thats all well and good but it doesn't have any basis in scripture, and doesn't really apply to the beliefs of any Christians I have met.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

Thats all well and good but it doesn't have any basis in scripture, and doesn't really apply to the beliefs of any Christians I have met.

How I see is not directly scriptural save for a few hit and miss verses. How I found how I see is all scripturally based, mostly on the words of Christ represented in the Christian bible, and the words of other texts of other religions. None is truly direct, all is based in metaphor.

None the less, is there no logic or reason in such a view?

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

He already did.

Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. Acts 2:27

For just as Jonah was in the belly of the huge fish for three days and three nights, so the Son of Man will be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights. Mathew 12:40

In it he went and preached to the spirits in prison. 1 Peter 3:19

Now what is the meaning of “he ascended,” except that he also descended to the lower regions, namely, the earth? He, the very one who descended, is also the one who ascended above all the heavens, in order to fill all things. Ephesians 4:9-10

I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades. Revelation 1:18

I don't see how that applies at all. Do you have any thoughts of your own on the subject?

It's all in the mysterious ways that god works, so you all can't question such apparent illogicallities by default, remember?

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

The word hell only exists in translations of the bible and there is no exact word for it in the original greek, or hebrew. The words used are sheol in hebrew and hades in greek. Sheol can mean the ground, the grave, a garbage dump, or the afterlife (the bad one). Hades can mean the grave, under the earth, and the afterlife either good or bad, and in the context of the greek pantheon, the god of the underworld with both good and bad manifestations. When taken contextually however, it can be shown that when Jesus went to hades for three days and three nights, he went there to do battle with satan, retreive the keys of hades and to preach to the souls imprisoned, and thus bring them to heaven with him upon his ressurrection. 'Under the Earth' and the spiritual hell are virtually synonymous in the context of the bible.

Wait so you(I assume you're a Xian) base (part of) your religion on a possible translation that could've meant any number of things?
How many other passages are possibly mis-translated?
I'm not trying to offend, or bait, I really am trying to understand this.

Originally Posted by Elis D.

Wait so you(I assume you're a Xian) base (part of) your religion on a possible translation that could've meant any number of things?
How many other passages are possibly mis-translated?
I'm not trying to offend, or bait, I really am trying to understand this.

Well, you know what they say about when you make assumptions, don't you? (hyuk hyuk)

Actually, I'm not a christian; just an enthusiast. Like I said earlier,

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

...I probably need to point out that I am not a christian and so I can only argue from a completely scriptural standpoint. I don't have any personal beliefs or opinions on the matter.

This means that based on what the bible says, this is the most likely wording that they intended, based on more than a thousand years of repeated investigation. There are scholar's of religious texts, including the bible, that are historians, not theologues (these days; I will admit that most biblical scholars of the more distant past were for the most part, religious men).

I trust these scholars in much the same way that I trust scientists. If there was a mistranslation in the bible, at this point someone (perhaps an atheist) would be able to look at original texts and point out glaring errors. Of course, small discrepancies are argued over, but for the most part we can all agree on what was intended to be written down and understood.

I'm not, however arguing for the original intent, as that was largely belonging to a Roman emperor named Constantine who had very little interest in the meaning of the religion, as long it would offer him greater control over his people.

Ok, sorry about AssUMe-ing your religion, you're a confusing poster though

Let me rephrase my question then.

So Xians base (part of) their religion on a possible translation that could've meant any number of things?
How many other passages are possibly mis-translated?

Everyone bases their beliefs on an interpretation of the evidence. I don't see how christians are any different than the rest of us.