Thread: Evangelicalism Indoctrinates Children

Evangelicals don't even follow the actual words of the scriptures so I'm not surprised by anything they do. They also make Christians look bad. Sorry I'm not more elaborate but It's the same story with them and it's been that way for years.

That is one of the sickest things I have ever seen. I came across stuff like that as a kid, and now I am pissed. That garbage is exactly what has me on the internet arguing about Christianity now, like right this moment. Fundamentalists create vindictive atheists. Spread the word.

I think it's bullshit.
For fuck's sake if u wanna beleive every word in the bible you dont have to make your children beleive it too.
Makes me think of how pissed my dad and step-mom were when they learned i was an athiest. Step mom told me that when i turned 18 she wanted me out of the house and to not come back. Dad just insulted me, called me stupid.

yay religon!

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

That is one of the sickest things I have ever seen. I came across stuff like that as a kid, and now I am pissed. That garbage is exactly what has me on the internet arguing about Christianity now, like right this moment. Fundamentalists create vindictive atheists. Spread the word.

The more I read your posts the more I think we are of a very similar background. Fundies do create very vigorous atheism; not because we are in such "rebellion from God" (as my dad says) but because we remember the fear and the hate that was spread because of it. AND, more importantly, the fear and the hate that WE spread because we were taught it was absolute truth. I went to Liberty University's version of this Hell House. I went to camps similar to Jesus Camp. I thought gays were evil, I thought atheists were scum, I thought Muslims were deluded, etc etc.

So yes, fundies create vindictive atheists, and I am proud to be debating on the side of rationality now.

Hell houses suck. They have bad actors, and they are worse than making your children watch scary movies. Hooray for emotional abuse, ladies and gentlemen. Anybody up for protests outside one of them?

Indoctrinating your children in to believing anything is arguably one of the most horrible form of abuse you can commit.

It's one thing to make your child aware of other beliefs. It's another thing altogether to force yours on to them.

Originally Posted by Needcatscan

So yes, fundies create vindictive atheists, and I am proud to be debating on the side of rationality now.

Amen!

Originally Posted by Daniel Danciu

They have bad actors

Man, don't they. At least some of the kids won't get scared because the acting is so incredibly pathetic. I think most kindergarten plays have better acting.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Man, don't they. At least some of the kids won't get scared because the acting is so incredibly pathetic. I think most kindergarten plays have better acting.

I could have acted like I was burning in hell better than they did, and I was 8 at the time.

If this was a "You rage you lose" thread, I lost. Terribly. ):

If it was enlightening, it would be taught with free and open language, the "some people believe this" and "this is a faith, especially when you consider the evidence" and to consider the rational and reasonable evidence.

Some don't play fair. They don't rely on evidence to control the minds of children, because it is much easier to use social methods, a language any child understands, rooted deeper than logic.

Poor kids. So easily swayed by fun times and group conformity. If I was that age, I could see myself agreeing, too. Especially if all of my friends were watching me in front of that camera. You agree, you are accepted by all around you. You disagree, you are rejected by everyone (or at least, you think it to be everyone. You're only five.) with no foreseeable way out.

Hell houses, hmm. I can see some real damage being done there.

I think, with the rise of the internet (and, younger and younger users), children will come in contact with a variety of beliefs and arguments. And, really, I think children will use the internet as a first resource for religion. It is much less stressful to Google "Does hell really exist?" than to ask a parent.

An important lesson to teach kids is, "A lot of adults lie." The possibility never even crossed my mind when I was a little kid. I thought grown ups were all great, honest people who were 100% pro-kids and passionately looking out for all of us.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

An important lesson to teach kids is, "A lot of adults lie." The possibility never even crossed my mind when I was a little kid. I thought grown ups were all great, honest people who were 100% pro-kids and passionately looking out for all of us.

If only.

Fu*king shit. Disturbing the childhood of kids (and others) everywhere.

We should make an organization and create booklets. Subtle, yet convincing enough to rid the children of this garbage.

Originally Posted by Xox

We should make an organization and create booklets. Subtle, yet convincing enough to rid the children of this garbage.

I think that's a great idea. We should even have public service announcements telling kids there is no such thing as the devil or Hell.

I knew about a lot of this stuff, but this is the first time I see footage from a hell house rehearsal. That is really sickening. I was bordering on nausea during the hell house video, at the thought that those people could fuck up their own children in such a disgusting way.

It's not offensive O'nus, this is genuinely sick. How, as a parent, could they ever wish to purposely scare the living shit out of their own children? Does it even occur to them that these kids might come back one day with psychological problems and a gun because of it?

And I loved the part in the Jesus Camp trailer where she mentions the "camps in Palestine". Not exactly the best thing to compare your own camps to, but this "anti-Palestine" mindset is not all that uncommon in the Evangelical population. I made a habit of calling them the Zionist Christians because of how they adamantly defend the expansion of Israel at the expense of what used to be a sovereign nation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zzric8vyWiE

^^^^^ Makes me sick.

Originally Posted by invader_tech

And I loved the part in the Jesus Camp trailer where she mentions the "camps in Palestine". Not exactly the best thing to compare your own camps to, but this "anti-Palestine" mindset is not all that uncommon in the Evangelical population.

Is she talking about the camps where they indoctrinate kids to grow up to be suicide bombers? If so, she is talking about something far sicker than the Hell House.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Is she talking about the camps where they indoctrinate kids to grow up to be suicide bombers? If so, she is talking about something far sicker than the Hell House.

Aye, that's why I said it wasn't the best thing to compare themselves to.

Originally Posted by invader_tech

Aye, that's why I said it wasn't the best thing to compare themselves to.

Oh, that's cool. I just saw an opportunity to bitch about suicide bombing.

A lot of child abuse seems to result from religious fundamentalism. Well, I guess a lot of adult abuse does too.

We need that in my home town, scare all those gay kids to stay in the closet where they belong.

YOU'LL PRETEND YOU LIKE WOMEN AND THAT'S THAT MISTER!

Scare them into thinking they made a choice. Seriously, what gay person is not automatically an atheist as soon as they hear this shit then realize they like the same sex? Well, there are plenty of gay churches, but I mean they're not fundamentalist.

"Im going to win a noble prize" hahahahahahahahahaha

Originally Posted by Xox

Fu*king shit. Disturbing the childhood of kids (and others) everywhere.

We should make an organization and create booklets. Subtle, yet convincing enough to rid the children of this garbage.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I think that's a great idea. We should even have public service announcements telling kids there is no such thing as the devil or Hell.

And if you really want to go the extra mile, put an ad for a summer camp the kids can go to in the pamphlets and PSA's that will be 3 weeks of fun filled lessons on how wrong their parents are.

I would love to see a reandom nickelodeon comercial.

"Attention. We ask to borrow just a moment of your time for a very important announcement. There is no Hell, you will not be judged by a superconscious entity and suffer for eternity after you die. No one is going to punish you for liking the same sex. Please remember to question everything around you. Thank you, now back to Rocko's Modern Life"

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

And if you really want to go the extra mile, put an ad for a summer camp the kids can go to in the pamphlets and PSA's that will be 3 weeks of fun filled lessons on how wrong their parents are.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

I would love to see a reandom nickelodeon comercial.

"Attention. We ask to borrow just a moment of your time for a very important announcement. There is no Hell, you will not be judged by a superconscious entity and suffer for eternity after you die. No one is going to punish you for liking the same sex. Please remember to question everything around you. Thank you, now back to Rocko's Modern Life"

I'm there. Well, except for one thing. I think the kids should have to get their parents' permission to go the camp that teaches them how wrong their parents are. I don't know how well that will work out.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I'm there. Well, except for one thing. I think the kids should have to get their parents' permission to go the camp that teaches them how wrong their parents are. I don't know how well that will work out.

So to make sure I have it straight, you are actually fine with indoctrinating children, as long as they are indoctrinated with your beliefs, and their parents sign off on it. Did I miss anything?