Thread: God's obsession with feces, piss, and semen

So, God is so disgusted by shit that he will abandon his boys' campground during battle because of it? Then, why did he create it instead of something less disgusting?

I have to say here officially that this forum has educated me on the Bible so far beyond what I would have learned just from communication with Christian communities. Every other week I learn about something amazing that the Bible says. To those who say this forum is worthless: NO IT IS NOT. This place is highly educational.

That is good, but most of what you hear about the Bible here is the weird stuff. There's very little history, little on the meaning or interpretation of it.

I'm not sure three verses counts as an obsession. Two of those are threats, and the first is just very reasonable advice in a time when many people in wars died of desease.

How many translations of the bible can you count?

I don't have enough fingers. ):

Originally Posted by apachama

That is good, but most of what you hear about the Bible here is the weird stuff.

True, but you could throw a dart at a random bible page and come up with something weird most of the time.

That's not how the verses go.

Originally Posted by Tarsier

That's not how the verses go.

You have opened my eyes. That was a wonderful information filled post.

People read the bible. 90% of what your faith advocates is not written there. It's actually some very low-quality book written when the world was thought to be round, and it's intentially translated in a way to manipulate beliefs. For example, Jesus himself advocated homosexuals, but it was covered through translation.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Jesus himself advocated homosexuals, but it was covered through translation.

If that is true then a big LOL. Do you have a source?

There is a website about it, lemme find it somewhere....

There it is. http://wouldjesusdiscriminate.com/

I particularly like this logo of theirs:



Do read the explanations on specific instance on the gay coule (http://wouldjesusdiscriminate.com/bi...ay_couple.html) - you'll agree right away. It's some serious scientifical stuff there.

If anyone here says that source is not reliable, then you're denying the bible, because that's what's written right there.

Jesus advocated close and intimate friendships - which in todays world is considered homosexual by men. because apparently even liking a man, or dare you touch any part of his body means you want to have sex with him. but really thats just homophobia. we can perceive homosexuality in Jesus' actions, only because of homophobia today.

Jesus was a guru, as many gurus, even gurus living today - they are above homophobia. they are not afraid to hug and kiss men even in public. its okay to make love. Jesus is not against male love.

but like all gurus, sex is the union of the masculine and feminine. it is special type of making love that is meant for the union of the masculine and feminine. this is the natural design of sex, for this yin-yang union. that the union of the masculine and feminine create.

Jesus and the bible remains true to this vision of sex *not so much the church though, obviously, they have gone through periods where sex is just naughty*

if we read the texts omitted from the bible, they don't reveal a homosexual Jesus, but rather a Jesus who might have been in love with a woman.

Juroara, first fo all, LOL. I never meant Jesus. You obviously did not read the source I put by the time you wrote that. Jesus affirmed a gay couple explicitly. Jesus never said only men and women should gather together. God never said "man and women, gather and reproduce", he said "Adam and Eve, gather and reproduce". Things like that. Christianity has been wrong in the past, nothing keeps it from being wrong now (and by Christianity I mean the Church and its followers, not the Bible - the Bible is a book open to interpretation).

Finally, how can you call me homophobic if I am myself assumedly gay?

Originally Posted by Kromoh

There is a website about it, lemme find it somewhere....

There it is. http://wouldjesusdiscriminate.com/

Do read the explanations on specific instance on the gay coule (http://wouldjesusdiscriminate.com/bi...ay_couple.html) - you'll agree right away. It's some serious scientifical stuff there.

sorry, but the evidence is actually pretty weak

Jesus would not reject a homosexual, he welcomes all, duh.

Jesus would say gays are born that way, but then again Jesus also believed in reincarnation. He said so himself that John the baptist was the reincarnation of another biblical figure.

most of the evidence rides on the idea that romance is sexual. this idea however stems from modern day homophobia. romance is actually not sexual by nature, but first platonic.

you should look up romantic friendship

also understand, I am not saying Jesus carries the idea that the church has regarding homosexuality. Both understandings of Jesus would be wrong. this outward negative obsession with speaking against homosexuality is really a waste of time and has little to do with walking the spiritual path. Jesus did not waste his time.

Jesus today would challenge all of our boxed up notions regarding relationships, most especially friendship which we tend to deem as not a relationship of love. But lets be honest okay, the man probably died a virgin. he was spiritual human being. our obsession with sexuality, sexual orientation, gets in the way of the spiritual path - of which Jesus was only interested in

Jesus taught that in heaven you are neither man or woman. If you understand this, then you would understand that when Jesus sees a human, interacts with a human. In his mind it is not a homosexual, or a heterosexual, or a bisexual - no. He simply sees the human spirit, and not that which we label ourselves as.

all homosexuals who walk the spiritual path has to drop that identity at some point. there is no such thing as homosexuality in spirit. that is an ego identity that is not real in true consciousness. in that consciousness, you are only YOU.

let it go. you are not that which you will ever identify yourself as.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Finally, how can you call me homophobic if I am myself assumedly gay?

gays are still born in a homophobic culture. where much of what we define as gay is actually just affection, and not just gay.

I knew a man who was trying to spread the word of romantic friendship. He even went so far and told the gay community that many of the famous gays they identify in literature aren't gay. That there is no evidence they are gay, but only evidence that they are romantic friends

the gay community thought he was a threat to homosexuality by bringing up the notion that friends can be intimate but platonic

he was outcasted and disliked by many gays in his community thus

the irony? he was gay!!!

romantic friendship however is real. and no one has been more against identifying historical romantic friends than the gay community, which has the tendency to label every intimate friend as gay.

Lol. Romantic relationships are actually guided by sexual interest, while respecting society's laws and inhibitons or whatever. Just ask any (scientifically-based) psychologist.

So Jesus was wrong? xD Not really good reasoning there. I thought Jesus was God?

Don't say sexuality gets in the way of the christian spiritual path. In fact, the bible says a lot about how and how not to have sex and etc.

So if Jesus Christ doesn't differ between hetero and homosexuals, why does the Church do so?

all homosexuals who walk the spiritual path has to drop that identity at some point. there is no such thing as homosexuality in spirit.

And is there heterosexuality in spirit? You are skippign the important points. You talk like homosexuals will "get healed" and don't even mention heterosexuals. Bigotry, I call that.

I am whatever I want me to be. I am gay, thank you.

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Now back to the discussion, you can't say the CHRISTIAN Church is right in preaching against homosexuality if Jesus himself approved of it. That's the topic we're discussing.

Concerning your second post, I do agree that many literature cases of unclear sexuality or ambisexuality are taken by the gay community as homosexuality. Pick the doctor, pick the disease, as the great dr. House says xD (not that being gay is a disease, though).

The matter is you a being dualistic - thinking in extremes. Either someone is gay or he isn't. Well, it's not really like that. I myself am a 5 on the Kinsey scale (homosexual, incidently heterosexual). I'm just saying that Jesus approved of gay relationships, for damn sake. Let's not get sidetracked here.

In an ancient world with no modern medicine, some of the books of the bible were merely guides for hygiene. Of course, a lot of it sounds ridiculous to us but it may have held true then.

and about homosexuals....yay! gay people! ^_^

Originally Posted by InspectorDevious

Of course, a lot of it sounds ridiculous to us but it may have held true then.

I agree. And now that God is no longer necessary, the entire Bible is more or less obsolete.

Originally Posted by ClouD

How many translations of the bible can you count?

I don't have enough fingers. ):

Actually, I can count up to 1023 on 10 fingers if I wanted to. All you have to do is learn binary

Originally Posted by bluefinger

Actually, I can count up to 1023 on 10 fingers if I wanted to. All you have to do is learn binary

..and be a nerd xD

Kidding, but still. Each very Bible you buy is written differently. Well, I htought it was an universal book? Proves it has been tampered with.

And still, I don't think 1023 fingers will be enough ^^

Originally Posted by Kromoh

..and be a nerd xD

Kidding, but still. Each very Bible you buy is written differently. Well, I htought it was an universal book? Proves it has been tampered with.

And still, I don't think 1023 fingers will be enough ^^

Kidding? You just hit the nail right on the spot! I am a nerd, and damn proud too. I even made a thread declaring my love of binary, right here.

Well, if I include toes, it becomes 1048576, as I'll be dealing with 2^20 possible combinations.

Fun....

Haha, nice, but you must be a ninja to have such good controls of your toes to do that.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Haha, nice, but you must be a ninja to have such good controls of your toes to do that.

I'm still working on improving the dexterity of my toes... I keep cramping as I try to count that high.... it sucks

You know, my toes used to suck. I started taking dance classes, and my strength really improved. Now I can do the ballet-like positioning and everything.

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Btw, I love how no christians are replying to this thread, no matter how many excuses I find to bump it.