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      God's Will

      Why is it that 99 times out of 100, God's will is also the will of the person purporting to know God's will?

      I was thinking about an analogy back in my youth group days. There is a step ladder and a girl on one side and a boy on the other. As each person goes up a step, they get closer to God and closer to each other in the process. Message being, if you keep God first, you will grow closer together as a couple (I always find it funny that people seem to think the cuter the analogy the truer it is).

      I think it's quite the opposite. I have been married almost 2 years now and it's been a breeze and mostly happy. I attribute this to 2 things: living together first (and I highly recommend this to everyone, religious or not), and because without God, we only have each other to focus on. We don't have this metaphorical trump card in our deck that we can pull out whenever we want our way by just saying "God is telling me we need to do this".

      To continue with the vomit-inducing analogy, wouldn't you get closer if you just walked towards each other instead of up a step ladder?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Needcatscan View Post
      To continue with the vomit-inducing analogy, wouldn't you get closer if you just walked towards each other instead of up a step ladder?
      No, because the devil would separate you in hell (lol, I must be pretty annoying by now, with all my anti-hell talk...).

      It would not be very religious of the couple not to think about god at all. I doubt much thought was put in this analogy, and so isn't ready to be analyzed. You're supposed to read it and understand how good god is. As you said, more god, more love between the couple. This is the message and there is no alternative because the ones who made it up only considered god in the picture.
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      oi...analogy versus analogy?

      words can be stupid and get in the way. it takes a true understanding of something to describe it in real words, as a real process. then some flowery metaphor

      I've grown tired of modern day christian flowerly metaphors. the worst one I've heard is that men are created in Gods image. But women are created from Gods emotion.......Awwww!! Doesn't that make you feel all warm and special?. I read that one in a female christian forum. After five minutes I felt like throwing up.

      From me? That's saying a lot!

      God's will? How about when people write poems and letters and claim its from God?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Needcatscan View Post
      Why is it that 99 times out of 100, God's will is also the will of the person purporting to know God's will?
      What does that mean?

      Quote Originally Posted by Needcatscan View Post
      I was thinking about an analogy back in my youth group days. There is a step ladder and a girl on one side and a boy on the other. As each person goes up a step, they get closer to God and closer to each other in the process. Message being, if you keep God first, you will grow closer together as a couple (I always find it funny that people seem to think the cuter the analogy the truer it is).

      I think it's quite the opposite. I have been married almost 2 years now and it's been a breeze and mostly happy. I attribute this to 2 things: living together first (and I highly recommend this to everyone, religious or not), and because without God, we only have each other to focus on. We don't have this metaphorical trump card in our deck that we can pull out whenever we want our way by just saying "God is telling me we need to do this".

      To continue with the vomit-inducing analogy, wouldn't you get closer if you just walked towards each other instead of up a step ladder?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Needcatscan View Post
      Why is it that 99 times out of 100, God's will is also the will of the person purporting to know God's will?
      First off.. its most likely for selfish gain. But the thing is, if these people you are talking about really knew God, this wouldn't happen.. i have found that Gods will, in actuality, is 99 times out of 100 the other way around. it goes against your selfish desires.. it goes against you. and as for your marriage, i'm very glad you are doing well. but when the storm comes, who will you have to go to. eachother? doubtful, because it will mostlikely pit both of you agaisnt eachother.. your best friend? what can they do? I wish the best.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Needcatscan View Post
      Why is it that 99 times out of 100, God's will is also the will of the person purporting to know God's will?
      Because god's will doesn't exist and therefore the only will you are left with is the person expressing god's will.

      To continue with the vomit-inducing analogy, wouldn't you get closer if you just walked towards each other instead of up a step ladder?
      I never did get how you were supposed to be closer to god then you were your own spouse. And then the whole freaky bride thing with Jesus. Kind of makes you wonder why that person is screaming "OH GOD" during sex......

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      Its because people who actually hear the voice of god, are normally just insane. The only way to know god, is through your own experiences.

      Normally when people speak about god, they don't say god told me to help the homeless. They see a homeless person on the street and the idea comes to them, maybe they should be doing more to help.

      So was god really telling you to do it, by putting you into a position where you would realize it on your own? Or is it your own will? Well its your own will, even if god did put you into that position. You could always decide to ignore it.

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      Quote Originally Posted by really View Post


      God is Love.
      wait!

      God is love....

      Chocolate is love....

      God=Chocolate?

      therefore me when If i meet God.... NOM NOM NOM!
      Lugggs and cuddles and hugs for all!!

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      Quote Originally Posted by cuddleyperson View Post
      wait!

      God is love....

      Chocolate is love....

      God=Chocolate?

      therefore me when If i meet God.... NOM NOM NOM!
      Yes. But you only see God in chocolate?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Needcatscan View Post
      Why is it that 99 times out of 100, God's will is also the will of the person purporting to know God's will?

      I was thinking about an analogy back in my youth group days. There is a step ladder and a girl on one side and a boy on the other. As each person goes up a step, they get closer to God and closer to each other in the process. Message being, if you keep God first, you will grow closer together as a couple (I always find it funny that people seem to think the cuter the analogy the truer it is).

      I think it's quite the opposite. I have been married almost 2 years now and it's been a breeze and mostly happy. I attribute this to 2 things: living together first (and I highly recommend this to everyone, religious or not), and because without God, we only have each other to focus on. We don't have this metaphorical trump card in our deck that we can pull out whenever we want our way by just saying "God is telling me we need to do this".

      To continue with the vomit-inducing analogy, wouldn't you get closer if you just walked towards each other instead of up a step ladder?
      It could be that if two people get together, and they're both Christians, or Hindus, or Muslims, or Buddhists, or *insert other religion here*, that just gives them one more thing to connect together with.

      But really, it doesn't matter if you keep God close, or not, it depends on how good the relationship is. :]

      God really has nothing to do with how good a relationship can work. If it did, there wouldn't be any Atheist/Theist couples in the world.

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