Thread: How would intellegent design be taught?

Intellegent design is a religious belief....It isn't science....Science is truth; saying intellegent design is the truth is like saying "To me, truth is not some vague, foggy notion. Truth is real. And, at the same time, unreal. Fiction and fact and everything in between, plus some things I can't remember, all rolled into one big 'thing.' This is truth, to me." (Jack Handey).

Anyway, look at this site. I think it'll shoot intellegent design down pretty fast. http://www.venganza.org/

Parochial schools MAYBE, but regular schools? HELL NO.

Well, it really depends on the class. If you're taking like, theology, then well, duh. I wouldn't think a whole curriculum would be designed around it, but it could be mentioned in like some class that has to deal with social beliefs etc. But for any subject to do with science at all, then , as rak213erwdsf said, HELL NO.

"Okay class, do you remember the strict scientific method for analyzing the truth of scientific concepts? We have taught it to you at the beginning of every science class you have had for the past seven years. Well, now, we want you to forget it, but you need to pick it back up when you are not thinking about this course. You also need to ditch the rational "if then" thinking you were taught in geometry. Also, forget about the dinosaurs and the fossils. That was just a bunch of bullshit. I know we said the Earth is more than 4 billion years old, but it is really just 4 thousand years old. Here's the deal... This bizarre thing that has infinite intelligence and power and is everywhere spent one day creating the Earth after spending five days creating many trillions of other solar systems and all kinds of crazy space stuff where there is no life and that has nothing to do with anything the creator is concerned with. Althouth he is infinitely powerful, he needed a day of rest. This theory (not the type that requires observation, data collection, hypothesis formation, hypothesis testing, resulting theory formation, theory testing, and all that silly stuff that is not silly outside of this course) is proven by the logic (But screw logic.) that something as big of a deal as life on Earth could not have happened by itself. But forget that reasoning for a moment when I tell you that something that is an even bigger deal than life on Earth didn't require a creator. You need to remember to forget about the rational form of thinking you were taught in geometry. It will confuse you because logic is not a good measure of reality, but outside of this class it is. So what if what I am saying is not rational. It doesn't have to be, but it only makes sense that it is."

I think they should announce they're going to teach it, then burst into laughter and scream "'Psych!'" Then say "actually, that's one work of fiction that you can safely ignore..."

Doesn't anyone recognize that Intelligent Design also supports the notion that we were all created by interdimensional space aliens?

Put that in public schools and kids might start a Parisian riot.

If intelligent design could be taught separately from the concept that the creation must have a creator, that might be interesting. To me, evolution is an elegant and absolutely "intelligent" design--but I don't think that's the way those who wish to promote it view it. Still, we must find compassion for those whose blind adherence to dogma keeps the mind from absorbing any facts. This state even renders certain individuals incapable of observing the natural world around them, where the laws of adaptation are so glaringly obvious all the time, everywhere, that even a child of 10 can figure it out.

How about teaching intelligent design of God? Teach that God is so incredible that he couldn't have just happened by himself, so he must have been intelligently designed. How could creationists argue with their own type of reasoning?

Originally posted by Ex Nine
Doesn't anyone recognize that Intelligent Design also supports the notion that we were all created by interdimensional space aliens?

Put that in public schools and kids might start a Parisian riot.

You should read the article I put on my post. It's exacltly what I was trying to emphasize by posting it. It's about the almighty Flying Spaghetti monster and his 'word' of truth. Also, to be undisrespectful to HIm, it must be taught in full pirate regalia. Lol. Anyway, that means that any and every religion that has enough followers would have to be taught in schools. I don't think it'll go over too well..

Creationism and intelligent design aren't evolutionary or scientific theories. They are based in theology and philosophy and rely on one basic concept, God's magic. Magical powers that God has to control the universe don't belong in a science classroom.

Also, I find it interesting that 2 people have voted "yes" to the poll and have not given a reason to support their view.

Oh, I see now Gwen! The trouble is, I bet a lot of people would accept it...

I forgot to add that I know the riots weren't in Paris. It's just that the word "Parisian riot" sounded too awesome to pass up.

It's a sad truth, huh?

Maybe they clicked yes in a hidden fear that God will spite them if they said no. They know that there is no way to back their argument up to satisfy people intellectually, it's probably why they aren't speaking. If anything, it's going to result as just an assertion that nobody can really respect. Still, it's a nice thought, right?

I bet it was Brady and Spoon that voted "yes."

I voted the third "yes" because I want there to be riots.

I started this topic not because i support it but because they are teaching it in regular classrooms.

I read someoen say it should be taught in theology but it in a theology class they would teach creationism intellegent deseign is creationism but made to generate less outrage among the public although many have seen through this guise and seen it for what it is...creationism.

No one gave me real insight into what manner they would teach it to students I know in the 20's they used the bible for teaching but how would they teach intellegent deseign just by telling them once?

I'm going to say something I never thought I would. If intelligent design (ID) has to be taught in the classroom, I would rather it be taught in science class than in religion. It really hurts me to say that, but I do have some good reasons. I don't think that intelligent design being taught in schools would have the effect that christian creationists believe. You bring ID into the science class, and you automatically open this theory up to all the usual scientific investigation. For example:

- Should they be taught that everything is a result of intelligence, they would be lead to question: what then caused that intelligence? ID claims that everything complex must have an intelligent creator. This invalidates the christian god, and is possibly one of the biggest flaws in ID. I wouldn't pay attention in a ID/Science class after figuring this one out.

- Should they be taught that it is impossible for speciation to occur, so "intelligence" had to put all of these species on earth, there would be the eventual question: what sort of intelligence would create organisms such as this:

Originally posted by [url=http://winace.andkon.com/designed_organisms
From here[/url]]Candiru catfish (Vandellia cirrhosa). This is a tiny catfish, often less than one inch long, that lives in the Amazon and Oranoco rivers of South America. Voraciously bloodthirsty, they often crawl up the anus or urethra of unsuspecting human bathers. They deploy specially built spines, located around their head, to draw blood and anchor themselves. Unfortunately, they then tend to swell and get stuck inside. The spines are designed so well that only surgery (usually amputation of the genital area) can get rid of them!

Again, certainly not the christian god.

- Logically investigating the claim of an intelligent designer, as you would any other observation in the science class, might lead people to disover that there is an impossibility in a caused universe. If time is a property of the universe, something causing the universe had to do this from outside of time. Causing something is a causal event, hence without time you dont have enough time to create time. Again this invalidates the christian god, might leave open some vague deism or universalism.

Intelligent design, if investigated scientifically, would lead one to believe in an intelligence that is completely impartial to our existance, has always been completely impartial to our existance, and could have only have created our universe without direct cause. None of this points towards the christian god, or indeed any god we would have to worship.

I'm just going to go out on a limb here and say that if ID was to be taught in the religion class, instead of science, you'd just get the same insert-local-deity indoctrination - yet it would have this new shiny pseudo-scientific "evidence" that kids will not be taught to question.

That being said, I still voted no. I don't think it should be taught at all, but if it has to I'd rather it be open to logical investigation.

-spoon

As long as we're opening up the discussion to teach Intelligent Design,( aka Creationism) in general science classes, I say let's open up the geology department and let the Flat Earthist's in to teach their perspective as an equally plausible theory.

Originally posted by spoon
If intelligent design (ID) has to be taught in the classroom, I would rather it be taught in science class than in religion.

I see what you mean there, spoon, but I rekcon it would be too easy for it to be muddied and for people to... try to conceal true scientific method from students.

I dont believe in filling any scientific doubts with religion, for no other reason than to not offend some. Explain the doubts and holes in the theory, as well as the other side,the overwhelmingly popular and all around accepted idea in the scientific community, but to say, "well, since there's a small chance the theory of evolution isn't correct, lets teach some idea with absolutely no scientific backing" is not a good idea. Then you open a whole world of speculation that belongs in philosophy...NOT science!

Speculation is a good thing. We need to constantly question the world. But until theres evidence, it needs to stay out of the science class.

Originally posted by dreamdancer
As long as we're opening up the discussion to teach Intelligent Design,( aka Creationism) in general science classes, I say let's open up the geology department and let the Flat Earthist's in to teach their perspective as an equally plausible theory.

Great analogy! Spread the word on it, and more people will get the point.

Well, if ID is going to be taught, please, please put it on television so we can fall asleep.

Oh crap, I though this was about artificial intelligence LOLOL. Count that yes for a no plz

Itelligent design is a load of bollocks, Why do I have an appendix? It doesn't have any use at all! ^___^