Thread: I would probably give $1,000,000 to anyone that could convince me that God exists.

"probably" ...lol

You have a million bucks?

I would probably give you deific powers if you convince me your $1 million exists.

Originally Posted by Taosaur

I would probably give you deific powers if you convince me your $1 million exists.

I will remove your ability to give deific powers unless you give them to me.

Oh Lord.
The fact that you haven't been killed yet proves that God has mercy on your soul-and indirectly proving God exists.
Fork it over, youth.

Originally Posted by guitarboy

Oh Lord.
The fact that you haven't been killed yet proves that God has mercy on your soul-and indirectly proving God exists.
Fork it over, youth.

The fact that he hasn't been killed yet only proves he isn't dead.

Originally Posted by lseadragon

The fact that he hasn't been killed yet only proves he isn't dead.

Don't feed the troll

I actually have verifiable, objective proof that God does in fact exist.


But, you are not in possession one million.
Too bad.

Originally Posted by Aquanina

"probably" ...lol

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I'd use that one million for something good instead of giving it away to the next lunatic walking towards you.

Insanity is said to be contagious in some cases.

Evidence of God as a creator is all around us. But "God" is not the "God" of the Bible.

The Bible is *not* sacred scripture. It's man's interpretation of the world surrounding him. Being that it was man's best guess on the nature of the Creator(s), some things are correct and some things fail basic tests of logic.

Some parts of it can be verified by simple reason. For example, the world was almost certainly designed by something above us. There's simply too much complexity and order in the universe to suggest something we may not immediately understand. Does this mean things were just "dropped" here by God as creationists believe? Absoleutely not, simple reason and accepted science states the irrefutable fact of evolution is in our biosphere. But this doesn't mean that something higher didn't get the ball rolling by starting the universe so that everything happened to develop to where we are today.

Now, the fact that there's ample evidence of design in nature doesn't validate the Bible. There are numerous things in there which defy accepted science and fail basic tests of logic. One is what I like to call the "problem of cancer." God says he loves us. God answers prayers. Person X prays to God that person Y lives through their cancer. Person Y dies.

Something there doesn't add up. So we're left with God hates us, God doesn't exist, or God exists but does not interfere in affairs for various reasons. There's too many nice things to be had in life for there to be a hateful God. I already said some sort of creator or creators must exist. This leavesa us with a non-interfereing God...the deist worldview.

Reject mainstream religious dogma, Google "deism," and discover the thinking man's belief.

Originally Posted by mini0991

Evidence of God as a creator is all around us. But "God" is not the "God" of the Bible.

The Bible is *not* sacred scripture. It's man's interpretation of the world surrounding him. Being that it was man's best guess on the nature of the Creator(s), some things are correct and some things fail basic tests of logic.

Some parts of it can be verified by simple reason. For example, the world was almost certainly designed by something above us. There's simply too much complexity and order in the universe to suggest something we may not immediately understand. Does this mean things were just "dropped" here by God as creationists believe? Absoleutely not, simple reason and accepted science states the irrefutable fact of evolution is in our biosphere. But this doesn't mean that something higher didn't get the ball rolling by starting the universe so that everything happened to develop to where we are today.

Now, the fact that there's ample evidence of design in nature doesn't validate the Bible. There are numerous things in there which defy accepted science and fail basic tests of logic. One is what I like to call the "problem of cancer." God says he loves us. God answers prayers. Person X prays to God that person Y lives through their cancer. Person Y dies.

Something there doesn't add up. So we're left with God hates us, God doesn't exist, or God exists but does not interfere in affairs for various reasons. There's too many nice things to be had in life for there to be a hateful God. I already said some sort of creator or creators must exist. This leavesa us with a non-interfereing God...the deist worldview.

Reject mainstream religious dogma, Google "deism," and discover the thinking man's belief.

Nonsense. Our evolving, organic world and cosmos is directly contrary to design. We recognize it fundamentally when we set up 'artificial' and 'natural' as opposites. The intervention of intelligence sets constructs unmistakably apart from the background of existence. Ultimately, all that exists collaborates on the present state of the universe, and no intelligence exists apart from what we do right now.

Originally Posted by mini0991

Some parts of it can be verified by simple reason. For example, the world was almost certainly designed by something above us. There's simply too much complexity and order in the universe to suggest something we may not immediately understand.
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Now, the fact that there's ample evidence of design in nature doesn't validate the Bible.

Oh really? What does complex mean to you? A water molecule, a planet, a solar system, life? How do you classify something as complex without using your own subjective presuppositions. I doubt that you've seen any other "undesigned" universe beside this one to make that conclusion. And what is order? That things are the way there are? How do you get from here to "there was a creator". Where do you get the tools and information to find out whether a universe was designed or not?

Originally Posted by mini0991

But this doesn't mean that something higher didn't get the ball rolling by starting the universe so that everything happened to develop to where we are today.

Neither does it mean something higher did get the ball rolling.

Originally Posted by mini0991

Something there doesn't add up. So we're left with God hates us, God doesn't exist, or God exists but does not interfere in affairs for various reasons. There's too many nice things to be had in life for there to be a hateful God. I already said some sort of creator or creators must exist. This leaves us with a non-interfering God...the deist worldview.

Or maybe there is a hateful god who made the universe so that there is just enough good things to be had in life so you can suffer more in an eternal hell.

Evidence of God as a creator is all around us. But "God" is not the "God" of the Bible.

The Bible is *not* sacred scripture. It's man's interpretation of the world surrounding him. Being that it was man's best guess on the nature of the Creator(s), some things are correct and some things fail basic tests of logic.

Then how do you exactly know that your own understanding and definition of god is true?

Some parts of it can be verified by simple reason. For example, the world was almost certainly designed by something above us. There's simply too much complexity and order in the universe to suggest something we may not immediately understand.

This is as ignorant as ignorant can be As Bonsay points out, how do you classify "too" complex? Are you sure it isn't just your own subjective understanding of the material that limits you? (this isn't meant as an offence btw) Have you ever even bothered to try and study the subject/subjects you don't fully understand? How do you even make sense of, and justify the statement that "Because life is as complex as I see it to be, it must prove that there is a superior being designing it?"

Originally Posted by mini0991

Some parts of it can be verified by simple reason. For example, the world was almost certainly designed by something above us. There's simply too much complexity and order in the universe to suggest something we may not immediately understand.

That doesn't make much sense: god then, in order to be able to create the complex world, would have to be even more complex himself. It does nothing to solve the "complexity problem".

Originally Posted by Taosaur

Nonsense. Our evolving, organic world and cosmos is directly contrary to design.

But, what if it was designed to be evolving and organic? Can your puny Earth-
human brain handle that madness?

There's simply too much complexity and order in the universe to suggest something we may not immediately understand.

This argument is extremely lacking in rigour.

Please give an example of such a complexity. Science has made giant leaps in the past few centuries in working out how complexity can arise from an extremely small set of rules, and I can't personally think of any gaps. The variety of life is due to evolution. Evolution begins due to spontaneous reactions of organic substrates. Organic compounds form because of chemistry. Chemistry is dictated by atoms and in particular electrons. Electrons and atoms are well understood and can be simplified to two important forces and three important particles. I see no mystery in how the complexity has emerged.

Actually, the fact it is so easy to see where the complexity came from makes me very sceptical that something created us. Why is the world not complex? Why is it not an intricate machine beautifully designed to provide an optimum environment of beauty for mankind? Why instead is it full of rubbish; a fairly random mess due to a small collection of chaotic rules?

Why do muons exist? Why were they designed considering they are completely superfluous to mankind and have virtually no effect upon the universe whatsoever? Looks like junk to me.

Hot girls with great personalities exist.... I think

Hot girls with great personalities exist.... I think

Could you please tell me where!?

Oh, right and don't say "God created evolution, too" Cuz if God created everything then who created God?? Also, I forget who it wuz but whoever said "Don't feed the troll" Up there, u weren't reffering to me, were you?? No I don't have 1 million, but that's the point, no matter what 'proof' you give me, I'll give you a good argument (and never have to give away any million dollars) prooving you wrong and entertaining me to keep me from going mad.

This thread is kinda pointless if you don't actually have a million bucks. And on top of that, only a "probably"?! How can you be backsliding on such an easy wager?! How stingy!

Why does Earth seem to be the only planet with life and water on it? I don't exactly buy the tornado-through-junkyard-makes-a-747 argument or the rare earth hypothesis. *Something* we don't immediately understand has to have at least set the constants nessecary to turn carbon and water into what exists today over a period of millions of years. The odds of it "just happening" are virtually nil.

Originally Posted by Naiya

This thread is kinda pointless if you don't actually have a million bucks. And on top of that, only a "probably"?! How can you be backsliding on such an easy wager?! How stingy!

He should change it to his left nut instead of a million dollars.

Originally Posted by grasshoppa

He should change it to his left nut instead of a million dollars.

I concur