Thread: I would probably give $1,000,000 to anyone that could convince me that God exists.

well, if there are really other universes then it could have been started by people from another universe. I wouldn't doubt that before humanity dies out we will be able to start a universe. And there are aliens out there. There have to be. Again, just logical. Maybe they could have done that instead of humans. Maybe there WAS something before the big bang. There are WAY too many theories for a "god" to not be considered complete superstition.

Originally Posted by Xedan

well, if there are really other universes then it could have been started by people from another universe. I wouldn't doubt that before humanity dies out we will be able to start a universe.

I think I remember seeing something about this. We know exactly how to create a new universe, separate and independent of our own. Only time will tell, but quite the interesting show.

well, I actually added some stuff to the post, but I wouldn't doubt you are right.

Originally Posted by SomeDreamer

Could you please tell me where!?

I'd tell you where but it would be wasted on you because you would never get one anyway.

Damn that's a long way to travel back just to say that.

Agreed. And sort of off-topic.

@Zezarict: My theory is that there never was a beggining nor an end, for just a second stop thinking in ultimatums... I believe the Universe has and always will exist. I believe everything is drawn into balckholes and once everything in the universe has been pulled in (which is ALOT) it Big Bang's from the amount of energy that is compressed and repeats this process for all of eternity.

Edit: It's a stoneage belief that there was a beginning to existance, that someone fashioned existance of everything as a carpenter would a table or a mason a building...

TheLucid, prove to me God doesn't exist.

It's possible for various Gods.

For example, benevolent Gods. Case in point: the smallpox virus.

Originally Posted by guitarboy

TheLucid, prove to me God doesn't exist.

Are you mad?

TheLucid is making a negative statement. I suppose his position is that god doesn't exist and that there is no evidence for such a being.

I assume your position is that god exists, you are making a positive statement. Therefore the burden of proof is on you. He can give you all the reasons in the world for god not existing or perhaps for your personal god not existing.

You may disagree with me but hear this. I could go around claiming unicorns are real all day. No doubt many people would claim that i was fucken nuts and that they don't exist.

My reply?

"Prove to me that Unicorns aren't real MOTHER FUCKERS.

YA THATS RIGHT WHERES THE EVIDENCE BITCHES?

UMM YA....THATS WHAT I THOUGHT. iF YOU CANT PROVE UNICORNS ARENT REAL THEN THEY MUST BE MOTHER FUCKEN REAL AS CHINESE LAUNDRY MATS. "

Subsitute Unicorns with god and you see where i'm coming from.

You are making an unsubstantiated claim.

Anyone else really starting to like this Soros guy? I agree with everything in that post.

Originally Posted by Mario92

Anyone else really starting to like this Soros guy? I agree with everything in that post.

lol, i 2nd that

it doesn't matter what you believe, give me the moneyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy now!

The reason that God can be a logical belief isn't because "You can't proove he doesn't exist." That's not it. It's because there are alot of questions about the universe, physics, etc. that are as of yet unanswered that God can explain and evidence supports.

A number of theories in quantam physics or whatever you want to call it are generally accepted because they are consistent with each other and the theories which have become 'laws.' Nothing more or less.

Lots and lots of scientific principles haven't been tested and can't be, (right now.) We all know that. But they work with what we know and they explain some of those questions. So we roll with it.

God is even better than many of those. Not only is a higher power a potential explanation, but certain accounts or opinions about God are in line with our evidences.

Originally Posted by spockman

The reason that God can be a logical belief isn't because "You can't proove he doesn't exist." That's not it. It's because there are alot of questions about the universe, physics, etc. that are as of yet unanswered that God can explain and evidence supports.

A number of theories in quantam physics or whatever you want to call it are generally accepted because they are consistent with each other and the theories which have become 'laws.' Nothing more or less.

Lots and lots of scientific principles haven't been tested and can't be, (right now.) We all know that. But they work with what we know and they explain some of those questions. So we roll with it.

God is even better than many of those. Not only is a higher power a potential explanation, but certain accounts or opinions about God are in line with our evidences.

When has attributing phenomenon that cannot be explained to god ever been useful?

Your post just reminds me of those Meso-american indians who thought that every time a volcano spewed lava it was because the gods were angry at them and that the gods wanted a sacrifice.

The examples you cite are just modern day equivalents. Once we find the answers to those, you and people like you will no doubt find more reasons to justify belief in god ad nauseam.

Furthermore, just because we don't have answers now, it is no reason to go on attributing these things to a god(of which there is sparing evidence for if any at all).

If humanity did that, we would never have progressed far beyond the middle ages and into this technologicaly driven world we live in today.

Originally Posted by Soros

Are you mad?

TheLucid is making a negative statement. I suppose his position is that god doesn't exist and that there is no evidence for such a being.

I assume your position is that god exists, you are making a positive statement. Therefore the burden of proof is on you. He can give you all the reasons in the world for god not existing or perhaps for your personal god not existing.

You may disagree with me but hear this. I could go around claiming unicorns are real all day. No doubt many people would claim that i was fucken nuts and that they don't exist.

My reply?

"Prove to me that Unicorns aren't real MOTHER FUCKERS.

YA THATS RIGHT WHERES THE EVIDENCE BITCHES?

UMM YA....THATS WHAT I THOUGHT. iF YOU CANT PROVE UNICORNS ARENT REAL THEN THEY MUST BE MOTHER FUCKEN REAL AS CHINESE LAUNDRY MATS. "

Subsitute Unicorns with god and you see where i'm coming from.

You are making an unsubstantiated claim.

I'm Agnostic.
I want him to convince me that God doesn't exist. I just want to hear why he doesn't believe....

Originally Posted by guitarboy

prove to me God doesn't exist.

Originally Posted by Soros

the burden of proof is on you

He is asking you for evidence of what you believe. It's not up to him to answer his own question.

Originally Posted by Soros

Prove to me that Unicorns aren't real MOTHER FUCKERS.

Since it's difficult to prove unicorns aren't real. This does not help you. In the same way it's difficult to prove god doesn't exist. First prove imagination doesn't exist. Only then can you disprove what the imagination can create.

I'm going to end this real quick. NO ONE CAN PROVE GOD DOES OR DOESN"T EXIST.

Simple as that.

Why are you so worried about it anyhow.

Originally Posted by Praise

He is asking you for evidence of what you believe. It's not up to him to answer his own question.



Since it's difficult to prove unicorns aren't real. This does not help you. In the same way it's difficult to prove god doesn't exist. First prove imagination doesn't exist. Only then can you disprove what the imagination can create.

Warning, logic failure critical.

Originally Posted by Praise

He is asking you for evidence of what you believe. It's not up to him to answer his own question.

I demonstrated in that post that you can not provide evidence for something not existing. I cannot prove that god does not exists anymore than i can prove that unicorns or dragons or leprechauns don't exist. Therefore when you are making a positive claim, in this case the existence of a supreme being you must provide some evidence to support its existence.

Otherwise there is no reason to take your claims any more seriously than people who say Leprechauns are real.

Originally Posted by Praise

Since it's difficult to prove unicorns aren't real. This does not help you. In the same way it's difficult to prove god doesn't exist. First prove imagination doesn't exist. Only then can you disprove what the imagination can create.

umm ugh lol............no offense intended but are you retarded?

The onus of proof is on the one making the positive claim. You can claim that unicorns and leprechauns exist, but until you submit viable evidence/proof, no one will (or should) believe you. Same principle applies to God and religion.

umm ugh lol............no offense intended but are you retarded?

I was beginning to wonder the same thing...

Originally Posted by Mario92

The onus of proof is on the one making the positive claim

First understand that he asked a question. The question was why do you believe there is no god. The question does not require some evidence. You already believe there is no god so he is just asking why believe that. It should be very simple to understand.

Originally Posted by Soros

umm ugh lol............no offense intended but are you retarded?

The entire concept of lucid dreaming is based on the imagination. So on this site especially you should be familiar with what it can create and what it is.

Originally Posted by Praise

First understand that he asked a question. The question was why do you believe there is no god. The question does not require some evidence. You already believe there is no god so he is just asking why believe that. It should be very simple to understand.

...and I was just clarifying the points made above me. Furthermore, this thread is open to discussion, and has expanded in scope. Things change. Cope with it.

The entire concept of lucid dreaming is based on the imagination. So on this site especially you should be familiar with what it can create and what it is.

What, a collection of sensory experiences? I'm not understanding exactly what you're trying to get at, here. When you dream, all that happens is your subconscious comes up with some sensory experiences. That's it. The imagination cannot physically create unicorns or a God.

Originally Posted by Praise

Since it's difficult to prove unicorns aren't real. This does not help you. In the same way it's difficult to prove god doesn't exist. First prove imagination doesn't exist. Only then can you disprove what the imagination can create.

We cannot disprove the imagination, but we can understand how it is unlike the real world, and more importantly, why it can be untrue.

Eventually, man will realize that his own mind and imagination, no matter how advanced, cannot be a direct substitute for Divine truth. It is a matter of paradigm. Recognize that nobody has the power to prove nor disprove God, by nature.