Thread: I Was Wrong ! Are You Happy Now ?

I would believe anything for about $200,000.00 USD.

itm - you're a cheap whore...

what would it take for me? Pretty simple, really. A few simple questions answered, and a few miracles for my gear, and we're good to go.

Originally posted by kimpossible
itm - you're a cheap whore...

And I will beat any advertised price by at least 10%.

Originally posted by kimpossible


what would it take for me? Pretty simple, really. A few simple questions answered, and a few miracles for my gear, and we're good to go.

Bingo.....just a few miracles, and some answers.

Miracle? Well, what greater miracle do you need than the creation of life?



This thread kind of makes me want to vomit. You should already "stand" for learning. If you don't, there's something dreadfully wrong with you. And I don't mean that lightly. There's something dreadfully wrong with lots of people for exactly this reason.

But you want an answer? Okay. If Jesus has risen bodily from the dead, and is God made human and all that jazz, then for God's sake, let's have some human interaction. I'd have to play cards with Jesus.

Originally posted by Ex Nine
I'd have to play cards with Jesus.

Some people have... www.chrisferguson.com

I wouldn't necessarily need to meet God in person to believe in him. If I could get a totally logical response to my question, a response that hits the nail on the head and makes total sense, my mind could be changed. It is that type of logic that got me out of Christianity. Logic that tops that logic could get me back into it, in theory. That, plus Jesus would need to get his dick out of his mouth.

Originally posted by Ex Nine


You should already \"stand\" for learning. If you don't, there's something dreadfully wrong with you. And I don't mean that lightly. There's something dreadfully wrong with lots of people for exactly this reason.

I couldn't agree more. A day you don't advance yourself in one way or another is a wasted day.

Hmmm.....I don't know...

I'd definitely need a whole whack of miracles. Actually, if I could be God for a day I'd probly believe.

Originally posted by Ex Nine
Miracle? Well, what greater miracle do you need than the creation of life?

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-- Bill Hicks

Fathom this: straight answers based on logical reasons written in coherent English.

But I guess that's asking too much.

lol @ fathom this

Originally posted by InTheMoment
Some people have... www.chrisferguson.com

Oh, damn, you're right. Well it looks like there's hope.

That quote was pretty cool, Ynot.

Hmmm.. well. If jesus was to come down from heaven and I was to shoot him in the head and watch him resurrect that might be convincing. Or maybe a nice "This is god, religion X is true" written in stars.

No wait... shooting jesus in the head sounds like more fun.

Originally posted by Ynot
lol @ fathom this

Ahahaha, that's good.


EDIT
Decided to make this into my sig.

I would not believe in God in front of a miracle. On the contrary, a miracle would lead me towards skepticism (some well organized trick?). In fact, for me it holds the sentence "Vere tu es Deus absconditus" (Truly, you are a hidden God). A God who would reveal himself would not be a God. It would be like asking our partner a final love proof.
I guess that faith is a free choice "powered" by grace. Thus I would believe stronger if, after a free quest, an ilumination would reveal to me the truth as a reward.

On the other side, I would have harder time in believing more strongly than now in the purely rationalistic stance, since no scientific experiment can provide the final proof that science is the truth or a method to get the truth.

eXistenZ

Yes, I suppose my beliefs could be changed. It'd have to be more than just an angel popping up and saying, "Hey you, God is real!" though. It'd have to be more like what Ex and Brady said--actually meet God and get to know him (None of that groveling and worship, actually get to know him) and prefferably get to experience what it would be like to be a God.

But that doesn't mean that my ways could be changed--I could be brought to believe in God, or to believe in some generic higher power, but I couldn't be convinced to change my ways. Mostly because, given a choice between Heaven and Hell, I'd choose Hell. Yeah, so there's torture and fire and brimstone and all that. But the company would be infinitely better. Not the murderers and rapists, mind you, but the intellectuals. All the people who said, "Hey, why the hell should I believe in a God? You've given me no convincing reason." They're the people I want to spend eternity with. Not the folk who say, "Hey, I was born Christian and nothin' you say is going to change that." Those people are the very seeds of ignorance--without religion, society could have progressed MUCH further by now. It's always been religion that's persecuted the true great minds of the time. It's because of this that I'll always be the way I am. Knowing that a god exists wouldn't persuade me to worship said god.

Scientific Evidence. I don't even need to first-hand experience it. If you give me legitimate evidence of god (i.e., not "how can these amazing things create by themselves!, etc.), I will totally believe.

Originally posted by Eric Estrada
Scientific Evidence. I don't even need to first-hand experience it. If you give me legitimate evidence of god (i.e., not \"how can these amazing things create by themselves!, etc.), I will totally believe.

But if one would provide a rational and logical evidence of God's existence, God would be just a mathematical theorem, nothing more.

eXistenZ

Right. And gravity is just a mathematical theorem as well.

Totally, Tsen.

eXistenZ, how about empirical evidence then?

Originally posted by Ex Nine

eXistenZ, how about empirical evidence then?

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Empirical evidence is for empirical facts.
If one tries to understand a poem by using syntax rules, he doesn't get much sense. Some other set of rules, like aesthetics, would better fit the object of analysis.

If a researcher doesn't get an answer about the existence of something, usually this is not because of existence/unexistence of the object, but because he doesn't ask the right question. If we don't have a fine scientific experiment to finally prove the existence of God, this doesn't necessarily mean that God doesn't exist. The experiment might be flawed and I would work more on the instrument than on the studied object. The same applies for logical reasoning.

eXistenZ

I'm not sure I understand, eXistenZ. Wouldn't God, if he exists, be an empirical fact?

I can think of a hundred empirical experiments that falsify the existence of God. It's easy because we are talking about something that can exist everywhere and therefore should be able to be observed everywhere. It doesn't matter where or at what time the observation is made. It's not like disproving the existence of fairies, which may be very small and only exist in some far corner of the universe in another dimension, etc.

Most importatntly, it's even easier given God's benevolent and powerful nature. He should be eager to help with the observation, not run away from it.

But God's believers cleverly redefine God into a slippery concept and a mysterious one at that. And they are not to be taken seriously, for they exist in a state of trouble. Nothing can be so dangerous for a person - to rely on something through means of subterfuge against your own self.

But God does help with the experiment. Since our tests do not show God's existence, that means God purposefully escaped our detection and therefore does not exist. This keeps in line with his omnipotence (only God could make himself not exist) and his omnibenevolence (life is generally a whole lot more fun without God, especially with the help of science and lucid dreaming).

I am for one thankful to God that there is no God. This is not contradictory because "thankful to God," is a colloquialism and means not being thankful, because God does not exist. And I truly am not thankful that God does not exist.

Thanks is better spent on things that exist.

Originally posted by Ex Nine

I am for one thankful to God that there is no God. This is not contradictory because \"thankful to God,\" is a colloquialism and means not being thankful, because God does not exist. And I truly am not thankful that God does not exist.

Because it's a waste of thanks to put it on nonexistent things. It's better to put it on existent things. And every religious person is trying find the strength to be thankful for their existence and things existing. And that's why they're all going to be atheists.

But in a good way. ~