Lucid Dream Sex a sin?

**FluBB** · 03-29-2009 01:16 PM

I know this topic has been discussed before, but i wish to propose a new aspect or question to it.

Q:Has anyone ever asked a religious leader, like a bishop, pastor, preist... anyone that has any kind of real authority in their religion about lucid dream sex? does anyone have any proof of their claims that dream sex is or is not a sin from a reliable source?

My thoughts and my answer (or semi answer)
I do believe that god gives personal revelation to those that ask.

James 1:5 "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not and it shall be given him."

So don't think that I dont believe God has told anyone that it is or isn't okay. But something official would be nice right?
Because the Lucid Dreaming community is so small, and even more so within the realms of organized religions, it seems that churches don't really know about lucid dreaming, or frankly, they don't care. I would like to urge anyone who has the resources to, to ask an authority figure for any religion, preferably your own, about their thoughts on lucid dreaming and especially lucid dream sex and share it here.
The reason I bring up this question is that I have always wondered this question to myself, but never really had the courage to ask someone else. Is having sex with another dream character a sin? Many questions are involved within this one question and from all of the many threads i have read on this topic, i have a general idea what everyone thinks. Those that dont believe in god, generally see nothing wrong with it (unless you get into the subjects like rape and killing etc which we arent talking about). Christians seem to be split up on many different levels. Some put their faith in the argument that to think it is to do it.

St. Matthew 5:28 "But i say unto you, that whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."

So obviously there would be a problem with lucid dream sex, because you are thinking about having sex with a person, real or fictional, you are committing sexual sin one way or another. The other way some of the christians in the threads i have read have been split is their belief that they feel content with their actions and feel no guilt. and they find no scripture or doctrine to denounce what they believe about lucid dreaming so why think differently.
I like both arguments, but I just dont know which one I believe at this moment in time. I know the one I want to believe, that we can do whatever we want without consequence, but this doesn't feel right to me.
I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Ladder Day Saints, or more commonly referred to as mormons. and i did ask my bishop (who presides over wards which in my wards case is about 300 people) about two years ago about this subject. His words were that we should live in the dream world like we do in real life. In other words, dream sex is a sin. and for all i know, a different bishop would say something completely different somewhere else, and i intend to find this out.
So if you are still reading this, bravo, i didnt mean to make it so long. Please comment and find out for yourselves what you believe.

**Michael** · 03-29-2009 01:19 PM

A: Nobody has proof that anything is a sin. It's all a theory and opinion.

Also, I don't think 98% of teens have tried pot. Time to change siggy.

**Techno** · 03-29-2009 01:20 PM

If you take that verse in Matthew literaly, then yes, it is a sin. It all depends on your interpretation of the verse.

**BLUELINE976** · 03-29-2009 01:35 PM

If you're going to use the Bible as a basis for morality or to find what is/is not a sin, I suggest finding a new book.

No, it's not a sin. As a human being with a functioning brain and the ability/patience to lucid dream, go right ahead. Who is going to stop you?

**Techno** · 03-29-2009 01:39 PM

Morality is relative, and based on individual perception, instinct, and social norms. Who are you to tell him what is worthy of being deemed viable moral code? You could take your own logic to justify murder, even. Of course, that's not the point of this thread, but I felt it was worth stating.

**BLUELINE976** · 03-29-2009 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by Daniel Danciu

Morality is relative, and based on individual perception, instinct, and social norms. Who are you to tell him what is worthy of being deemed viable moral code? You could take your own logic to justify murder, even. Of course, that's not the point of this thread, but I felt it was worth stating.

We're not talking about murder, my friend. We're talking about using your brain to imagine a sexual situation.

Who am I? No one important. He can ignore me if he so wishes. All I am saying is that the bible might not be the best place to search for morality, considering what is written in it. Homosexuality = sin, stone gays, etc etc.

The problem is that some people use the bible as a basis for morality. That's when it becomes not-so relative or based on individual perception/instinct/norms.

**Zhaylin** · 03-29-2009 05:10 PM

I googled "Mormon Lucid Dreaming" and I found a forum where someone was directed to the D&C 9 http://unfettered-mormon.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=54

In my own opinion the Bible your question.

Psalm 11:5-7 reads (New World Translation):
"Jehovah himself examines the righteous one as well as the wicked one,
And anyone loving violence His soul certainly hates.
6 He will rain down upon the wicked ones traps, fire and sulphur
And a scorching wind, as the portion of their cup.
7 For Jehovah is righteous; he does love righteous acts.
The upright are the ones that will behold his face."

and also:
"But each one is tried by being drawn out and enticed by his own desire. 15 Then the desire, when it has become fertile, gives birth to sin; in turn, sin, when it has been accomplished, brings forth death." James 1:14, 15

God says fornication is bad. Period. He doesn't state in what sense, it is up to us to use common sence. If cerain things displease him and we PURPOSEFULLY create such situations for ourselves in our dreams, he will be displeased.
Loyal Christians are even supposed to take care about what they watch on TV and at the movies, read about, and think about.
If we delight in watching violent programs, God is displeased. Christians are supposed to be lovers of what is good and righteous.

Philippians 4:8, 9:
"Finally, brothers, whatever things are true, whatever things are of serious concern, whatever things are righteous, whatever things are chaste, whatever things are lovable, whatever things are well spoken of, whatever virtue there is and whatever praiseworthy thing there is, continue considering these things. 9 The things that YOU learned as well as accepted and heard and saw in connection with me, practice these; and the God of peace will be with you."

Does that extend to our dream life? It's supposed to encompass the entirety of our being... so, how would you answer?

**plg6067** · 03-29-2009 06:58 PM

The concept of "sins" are a joke. You shouldn't need someone or some stupid old book to tell you what is right or wrong. It's a matter of opinion, so rely on your own.
I am going to have sex in a lucid dream just to make up for your lack of lucid sex.

**Man of Shred** · 03-29-2009 07:42 PM

I can't believe this topic is actually being discussed. So if i have Sex in a dream - something which can't be helped in anybody. God is gonna shoot fire rain at me? That's the dumbest thing i have ever heard.

**Zhaylin** · 03-29-2009 07:45 PM

The speech used is figurative, not literal... and dreams you CAN'T control isn't the issue. It's what we CHOOSE to do during lucid dreams which is being considered.

**ClouD** · 03-29-2009 08:01 PM

I haven't asked a priest, though I don't see how a priest is any different from asking anyone else. Does how hard you preach determine your skills at determining sin?

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When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realised that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me. ~ Emo Philips

**Black_Eagle** · 03-29-2009 08:03 PM

There's nothing wrong with dream sex. It doesn't hurt anybody in any way, shape, or form. The whole concept is completely ridiculous.

**suttsman** · 03-29-2009 08:04 PM

Make decisions for yourself. Don't try to take a quote from a book and manipulate an answer from it. If you have a problem with having sex in a lucid dream, don't do it.

**Xox** · 03-29-2009 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by plg6067

The concept of "sins" are a joke. You shouldn't need someone or some stupid old book to tell you what is right or wrong. It's a matter of opinion, so rely on your own.
I am going to have sex in a lucid dream just to make up for your lack of lucid sex.

Exactly. You need to ask yourself whether you think it is right or wrong. You shouldn't have to depend on others.

**SpecialInterests** · 03-29-2009 08:10 PM

If a sin wasn't pretentious bullshit, maybe. Christians must be sick in the head. Only someone that really hates himself would think of the pleasures of sex as self-abuse.

**Man of Shred** · 03-29-2009 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by Zhaylin

The speech used is figurative, not literal... and dreams you CAN'T control isn't the issue. It's what we CHOOSE to do during lucid dreams which is being considered.

Well lucid or not. Why should it be an issue? It makes no sense.

**plg6067** · 03-29-2009 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by Man of Shred

Well lucid or not. Why should it be an issue? It makes no sense.

It should be an issue because you don't want to go to hell! Repent for you have offended the Lord with your self pleasuring ways! Repent!

lol jk

**FluBB** · 03-29-2009 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by ClouD

I haven't asked a priest, though I don't see how a priest is any different from asking anyone else. Does how hard you preach determine your skills at determining sin?
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the reason i want a priest or bishop etc is because they represent an organized religion as a whole, rather then what an individual believes to be true. its more for my curiosity than anything else..

**plg6067** · 03-29-2009 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by FluBB

the reason i want a priest or bishop etc is because they represent an organized religion as a whole, rather then what an individual believes to be true. its more for my curiosity than anything else..

Fanatics will tell you that viewing pornography or even masturbating is a sin. So I think they will definitely tell you pleasuring yourself in dreams is a sin...

**Zhaylin** · 03-29-2009 08:56 PM

It doesn't matter for people who don't concern themselves with the Bible or God. But for Christians, we try to live by the "good book", so we want God's view of matters.

I don't think organized religions as a whole have any official stance on this issue because lucid dreaming isn't widely understood.

All of Jehovah's Witnesses are Ordained Ministers, so I guess you did the view of one "priest" (me)

Just as the Elders in your Faith are Ministers (you have no stereotypical, local clergy "class"- the older men of the congregation give the spiritual lessons and members preach from door-to-door), so ask the older men of your congregation. They should be able to guide you to a more balanced view of Scripture and lucid dreaming.

But God doesn't always give instruction in black and white, so to speak. That's where our Bible-trained consciences come in as well as guidance from our religious instructors.
God wants to see if we truly value what he tells us and how deep we'll dig for answers.
Two more Scriptures to consider:

Romans 2:15 says in part:
"...while their conscience is bearing witness with them and, between their own thoughts, they are being accused or even excused."

and Proverbs 2:1-5 say:
"My son, if you will receive my sayings and treasure up my own commandments with yourself, 2 so as to pay attention to wisdom with your ear, that you may incline your heart to discernment; 3 if, moreover, you call out for understanding itself and you give forth your voice for discernment itself, 4 if you keep seeking for it as for silver, and as for hid treasures you keep searching for it, 5 in that case you will understand the fear of Jehovah, and you will find the very knowledge of God."

What does your conscience say?

**guitarboy** · 03-29-2009 09:03 PM

this is fun.
I'm somewhat pious, and I sex in lucid a lot.

**WakataDreamer** · 03-29-2009 09:28 PM

I personally don't give a shit if it's a sin 'cuz Jesus said that all of our sins are forgiven if we believe (which I do). So it doesn't matter.

owned

**no-Name** · 03-29-2009 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by WakataDreamer

I personally don't give a shit if it's a sin 'cuz Jesus said that all of our sins are forgiven if we believe (which I do). So it doesn't matter.

owned

I just killed a guy, and raped his wife. BUT JESUS LOVES ME.

How does that work?

**Black_Eagle** · 03-29-2009 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by no-name

I just killed a guy, and raped his wife. BUT JESUS LOVES ME.

How does that work?

You're going to hell. BUT JESUS LOVES YOU!

**guitarboy** · 03-29-2009 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by no-name

I just killed a guy, and raped his wife. BUT JESUS LOVES ME.

How does that work?

Raptor Jesus will decide your fate

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