Thread: Origin Of The Universe

You're going to have to descibe what you mean by bang, crunch and state before I can answer lol.

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Big Bang: the universe came from a centril point, that was all space/time, and all matter/energy. It didn't explode in the universe, but rather into the universe.

Big Bang/Big Crunch: As in Big Bang, but the universe will everntually implode in on itself due to gravity, and then Bang again. In theory, if this is the origin of creation, then there could be an infinate number of universes before this one, and an infinate number after

Steady state: the universe has always existed, always will exist and is beyond time

the God made bit is to say weather you think God was responsable, or something else

Originally Posted by Keeper

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Big Bang: the universe came from a centril point, that was all space/time, and all matter/energy. It didn't explode in the universe, but rather into the universe.

Big Bang/Big Crunch: As in Big Bang, but the universe will everntually implode in on itself due to gravity, and then Bang again. In theory, if this is the origin of creation, then there could be an infinate number of universes before this one, and an infinate number after

Steady state: the universe has always existed, always will exist and is beyond time

the God made bit is to say weather you think God was responsable, or something else
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so what if I belive that God made every bit of it piece by piece or at least the pieces that would then make creations of it's own as in evolution? I also think that he made planets before and after ours and that he also created life on them as well. I guess that means, bang/crunch (God) huh?

From what I see, I think you just mean Bang, unless you think it is repeted over and over again, then it is Crunch. You se, this isn't just about Earth, it is about the universe (Time, Direction, Energy, Matter, etc.)

I think he is still creating but that there is only one universe? Sorry I'm being so difficult in understanding this question lol.

well ... how do you think he started then?

Big bang: it came into being with or without a type of explosion

Crunch: He makes it, then it implodes and He makes it again

Steady: He made it at a point beyond time

[edit] or you could just say other

Originally Posted by Keeper

well ... how do you think he started then?

Big bang: it came into being with or without a type of explosion

Crunch: He makes it, then it implodes and He makes it again

Steady: He made it at a point beyond time

[edit] or you could just say other
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no bang or crunch just a little here and a little there and tada! lol so I guess I'm a "other"

Big Bang/Big Crunch. Un-godmade.

What this poll will not show is that about 75% of america (most of them... not so inteliligent) will vote: 'steady state, god made'. Dispite that the universe is clearly expanding still (thus I voted bb/crunch), that really doesn't sit well with me. Like how somewhere about 80% of the christians think jesus will return 'in their lifetime'... not in MY lifetime he aint

Anyhow, the universe is expanding thanks to the big bang, so my guess is a repeated bigbang-bigcrunch-bigbang-bigchrunch ect.

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I would have tought everyone at least knew Something about the big bang theory. Well bacisly, it is pretty darn certain that there was a big bang (god made or not). As we speak, the entire universe is still floating away from the impact point, and the theory is universe itself is still expanding (hmmm*). However, since all matter attracks each other, or it had to do with the 'fabric' of the universe (on a demensional scale we don't understand), that probably everything will float to the center of the big bang point again. Or to some other point in that dirction, the point is, if all that matter attrackts each other, you have so much mass you create a giant black hole, sucking in everything untill after a long time there is no matter but in the black hole-thingy, causing all the matter to by compressed in a very small state... untill. boom.

That is the theory in a way.

On the * part. This isn't a real scientific theory, but I just wondered... maybe the universe isn't as closely tied with matter as we think. Couldn't there have been a big bang, but with the universe allready everywhere we know it now? So it would just be a big bang of all the mater (re)banging around the place.

Im not arrogant

I wouldnt seek to explain something that vast

I dont know the answer, I mnot arrogant enough to beleive that where millions of scientists have failed to succeed in finidng the answer I would have it

As an agnostic I dont know, all sides of the argument have credibility yet none of them have absolute credibility.

Imran

Originally Posted by Neruo

Big Bang/Big Crunch. Un-godmade.

What this poll will not show is that about 75% of america (most of them... not so inteliligent) will vote: 'steady state, god made'. Dispite that the universe is clearly expanding still (thus I voted bb/crunch), that really doesn't sit well with me. Like how somewhere about 80% of the christians think jesus will return 'in their lifetime'... not in MY lifetime he aint [/b]

Can there be one, just one thread in which someone doesn't bring America, or the stupidity of some americans, etc, into the picture? There's nothing in this topic that should bring up America! The topic is about the the origin of the universe. Hint: you're not cool by poking fun at the U.S.

And personally, I'm going Big Bang/Crunch--though I'm uncertain about "god"-made.

I'm thinking Big Bang, un-God made. I think the Universe will expand indefinitely, which is kind of sad when you think about it.

Originally Posted by Joseph_Stalin

Can there be one, just one thread in which someone doesn't bring America, or the stupidity of some americans, etc, into the picture? There's nothing in this topic that should bring up America! The topic is about the the origin of the universe. Hint: you're not cool by poking fun at the U.S.

And personally, I'm going Big Bang/Crunch--though I'm uncertain about "god"-made.
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I don't know any figures about europe or other countries. Alot of the media is pointed towards the U.S., also the more negative facts. If people in my country could think like this, I would certainly say that too. However few do.

And actually my point here wasn't even the rip on the U.S., my point was to rip on some of the less educated american fundamentalist / total retards.

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Anyhow, wasn't stalin that guy that America totally loved?

If you want to discuss American stupidity theres a nice little thread going on somewhere =D
so lets discuss the orginis of the Universe in here!
Is there anyone on here who actually beleives that God created the Earth in seven days in the complete Biblical fashion?
Imran

Originally Posted by imran_p

If you want to discuss American stupidity theres a nice little thread going on somewhere =D
so lets discuss the orginis of the Universe in here!
Is there anyone on here who actually beleives that God created the Earth in seven days in the complete Biblical fashion?
Imran
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Yeah I would like to add that I was just ripping on christian fundamentalist, who just happen to live in america alot.

I think that only a retard could think the earth was made in 7x24 hours

Originally Posted by Neruo

Yeah I would like to add that I was just ripping on christian fundamentalist, who just happen to live in america alot.

I think that only a retard could think the earth was made in 7x24 hours
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I don't remember seeing anywhere that the earth was created in 168 hours.

The idea that the universe is a product of chance requires belief in what scientists describe as many "lucky accidents" or "coincidences." For example, the universe is made up of an abundance of the simplest atoms—hydrogen and helium. Life, however, requires not only hydrogen but also an abundance of more complex atoms, especially carbon and oxygen. Scientists used to wonder where such precious atoms come from.

Long before Sir Isaac Newton discovered the law of gravity, the Bible referred to such fixed rules or laws. For those who doesn't know. IMO God created the universe because it has a begining and GOD doesn't and he surely doesn't dwell within time. If so then GOD is subject to its restraints and He (just like you and I) must be a slave to it! And that in general would not make any sense.

i create the universe by going back in time giving my past self a future pie i eat the pie then go back in time again before the big bang i then get some dynamite and blow it up and hey presto the universe. well now you know that the debate is over. or is it?

well according to the book cyberaid the origin of the universe could be these five thing:
1.it doesnt exsist it a ilusion
2.a sick joke
3.a supercomputer gone mad
4.made by people who dont know what their doing
5.it just is

I think that only a retard could think the earth was made in 7x24 hours [/b]

even worse it say severn days and night but the sun was not made so how can days and night exsist it would just be eternal night or day this is taken from thomas paine age or reason you can read it free on google he point out where the bible is dumb.

Long before Sir Isaac Newton discovered the law of gravity, the Bible referred to such fixed rules or laws. [/b]

i think gravity is common sense newton just gave it a name and if you want to be more precise gravity as newton put it would not make sense because it does not deal with realivity only when Einstein write about spacetime warping matter then it made sense so newton discovered the general laws of gravity. saying the bible referres the fixed rules or laws is stupid see views and morels change the bible would have adapted itself to fit in. given the vague nature of text and the vast majourity claiming their the right bible it become more subjective unlike gravity that is a physical equation that it unlikely to change you cant argue you got the right gravity equation when it can easily be proved wrong unlike the bible.

IMO God created the universe because it has a begining and GOD doesn't and he surely doesn't dwell within time, then He is subject to its restraints and He (just like you and I) must be a slave to it! And that in general would make any sense.[/b]

yes but could you argue that the universe just came out of nothing instead of god made it the plus side you wouldnt have to explain how someone could dwell outside time because without time their would be nothing. i dont know being beyound time would not make you a slave because 1. he work in fixed rules and laws like you said earlier and 2. he still has to create us or the universe because if he didnt we would not be here so that fixed too then you could argue he could stop this but he not because i am still here theirfore god has a fate so he a slave to it. well unless everything suddensly stops. aaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggggggg ghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
wait a minuate if it does stop would that be fate to because then god will have to stop everything but then that action would be bla bla bla bla.

Originally Posted by Ne

IMO God created the universe because it has a begining[/b]

How do you know? Maybe the universe is eternal? Maybe time isn't linear?

and GOD doesn't and he surely doesn't dwell within time. If so then GOD is subject to its restraints and He (just like you and I) must be a slave to it! And that in general would not make any sense.[/b]

Why would it not?

even worse it say severn days and night but the sun was not made so how can days and night exsist it would just be eternal night or day this is taken from thomas paine age or reason you can read it free on google he point out where the bible is dumb.[/b]

A day for God doesn't have to be the same as a day for humans. For Brahma, for example, one day is several million human years.

Originally Posted by Meidi

How do you know? Maybe the universe is eternal? Maybe time isn't linear?
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maby, but God is a more likly prospect, donchathink?

Why would it not?
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because if God made it, then He is beyond it, and thus could not have be constrande by it. This doesn't mean that He dosn't have His own time, however.

A day for God doesn't have to be the same as a day for humans. For Brahma, for example, one day is several million human years.
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We know that, as a similer verse is in the Bible. However, it is not beyond God's power to do what we think is imposable, no?

Originally Posted by Keeper

maby, but God is a more likly prospect, donchathink?[/b]

Not more likely than that the universe has existed forever, no. And not even more likely than the universe being created by the FSM. ALSO: does it say in the Bible that god created the universe, or just the world? This is a geniune question and not rhetoric, lol.

because if God made it, then He is beyond it, and thus could not have be constrande by it. This doesn't mean that He dosn't have His own time, however.[/b]

I don't agree. Let's say I'm an almighty king, and I construct laws that are to exist always and everywhere - those laws would still apply if I'd try to break them! Otherwise they are not really laws but guidelines, lol.

We know that, as a similer verse is in the Bible. However, it is not beyond God's power to do what we think is imposable, no?
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Not if you believe in him, or Brahma, or the FSM.

Out of all those choices, "The Universe is an Illusion" or "The Universe is an Illusion (God made)" make the most sense to me.

Originally Posted by Meidi

Not more likely than that the universe has existed forever, no. And not even more likely than the universe being created by the FSM. ALSO: does it say in the Bible that god created the universe, or just the world? This is a geniune question and not rhetoric, lol.
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Well, that is a matter of opinion, I suppose. Anyhow, it says in Scripture that God made the Heavens and the earht, so it could mean that God made the universe, or that God just made the earth and its atmosphere. However, as heaven means three things in Hebrew (Sky, Space and "Heaven") it potentually means the universe itself.

Also, in John it mentions that all was made through the Word.

I don't agree. Let's say I'm an almighty king, and I construct laws that are to exist always and everywhere - those laws would still apply if I'd try to break them! Otherwise they are not really laws but guidelines, lol.
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Ah, but that is assuming that God lives within thoes rules.
You can look at it two ways: one, God exists outside the universe (as is mentioed in scripture) as He had made it, and thus doesn't have to worry about the rules, or
two: the rules dont apply to God (like in the English languge, how only half the rules aply half the time )

Not if you believe in him, or Brahma, or the FSM.
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FSM?

I say big bang big crunch. this reminds me of a discussion with a kid i know

Me: I dont believe in god
kid: where do you think everything came from then?
Me: The big bang
kid: So you think everything came from a giant explosion that came from the middle of nowhere?
Me: Yes.

FSM=Flying Spaghetti Monster