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The Muslim community is by far the more vocal, though. Very few people in the UK worry too much about offending the Christian audiences while the Muslim audience is treated with an almost untouchable aura of fear. Which is not so good.

I want to make it clear I have no issue with either the Islamic faith itself, this is far more a social issue.

Originally Posted by Siиdяed

The Muslim community is by far the more vocal, though. Very few people in the UK worry too much about offending the Christian audiences while the Muslim audience is treated with an almost untouchable aura of fear. Which is not so good.

I want to make it clear I have no issue with either the Islamic faith itself, this is far more a social issue.

I see.

Muslims everywhere are insane. Something in the Koran gives them the right to act like maniacs. I'm sorry, but it's true.

Originally Posted by Siиdяed

The Muslim community is by far the more vocal, though. Very few people in the UK worry too much about offending the Christian audiences while the Muslim audience is treated with an almost untouchable aura of fear. Which is not so good.

I agree. While Islam and Christianity might be equally stupid, Islam and its community pose an actual thread to physical well-being and secular values such as free speech. I mean, people actually get killed for producing documentaries or writing mere words, they get threatened to get killed, things get blown up, embassies firebombed etc. etc.. I think our primary concern should really be NOT dieing at the moment, THEN we can see how to tackle Christianity.

Although fascist dickheads like the Vatican actually said that faith is of higher value than free speech and that Muslim demands have to be respected. Yeah, good call, I wouldn't want a plane landing in my 100 foot solid gold palace, paid by decades of fraud, either. That's the one underlying problem - any religious grouping asking to respect faith as a general virtue, no matter how idiotic and dangerous.

Well...yeah.

I'd hate to offend them (for fear of being blown up) but they have a ridiculous number of fanatics. Possibly it's all bad press, possibly it's only because we don't have other fundementalists from other religions here (ie, there isn't a British Bible Belt), but they do seem far more directed towards violence than other modern faiths.

That someone in another country brings out a cartoon and gets death threats from an organised faith for offending them is ridiculous. The whole teddy-bear-called-Mohammed-thing similarly so, though that was way more political than anything.

To be honest, fundementalism in any form is a catalyst for conflict, be it fundementalist Muslim, Christian, aethiest, whatever.

Originally Posted by Siиdяed

I'd hate to offend them (for fear of being blown up) but they have a ridiculous number of fanatics. Possibly it's all bad press, possibly it's only because we don't have other fundementalists from other religions here (ie, there isn't a British Bible Belt), but they do seem far more directed towards violence than other modern faiths.

Didn't you say you were British? A third of your Muslim friends thinks it's a good idea to bring UK under Sharian Law and kill everyone who leaves the religion. Two thirds of your Muslim friends believe it's a good idea to arrest and kill someone if he denounces Islam. Even 80% think that the Cartoonist should be brought to justice. So there.

To be honest, fundementalism in any form is a catalyst for conflict, be it fundementalist Muslim, Christian, aethiest, whatever.

The point is good, except the only form of extremely dangerous and violent fundamentalism is Islam.

Paradise is fucking evil.


The whole concept is so evil.


It's the cause of most violence I think; promise of paradise.


There can be no paradise; if everyone understood this the world would be a whole lot better.

Originally Posted by Korittke

Didn't you say you were British? A third of your Muslim friends thinks it's a good idea to bring UK under Sharian Law and kill everyone who leaves the religion. Two thirds of your Muslim friends believe it's a good idea to arrest and kill someone if he denounces Islam. Even 80% think that the Cartoonist should be brought to justice. So there.

...I don't know any Muslims.
Ish. I know...one Muslim. And what they think doesn't affect me in any way.

Originally Posted by Korittke

The point is good, except the only form of extremely dangerous and violent fundamentalism is Islam.

Um...I suppose the obvious counter-argument is historically the Crusades. But more recently, you get:

www.godhatessweden.com
www.godhatesamerica.com
www.priestsrapeboys.com
www.godhatescanada.com

...and so on. The WBC are tantamount to violent Christian terrorists.

Originally Posted by Siиdяed

...I don't know any Muslims.
Ish. I know...one Muslim. And what they think doesn't affect me in any way.



Um...I suppose the obvious counter-argument is historically the Crusades. But more recently, you get:

www.godhatessweden.com
www.godhatesamerica.com
www.priestsrapeboys.com
www.godhatescanada.com

...and so on. The WBC are tantamount to violent Christian terrorists.

Uhh. I don't know. The American army is a fag army? Surely these are serious?

Edit: Lol, they actually are.

The WBC picket soldier's funerals. They're serious.

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

There can be no paradise; if everyone understood this the world would be a whole lot better.

Absolutely! People would spend more time trying to make the world as close to paradise as possible, if only they understood that this is probably the closest to paradise anyone will ever see.

We really don't need religion. At best it's useful for teaching us morals and ethics we should already understand and know (shalt not kill, and so on).

Though a paradise after death wouldn't be a bad thing. It's just there's no proof that there is one and as such we shouldn't be concerned with it yet.

Originally Posted by Siиdяed

We really don't need religion. At best it's useful for teaching us morals and ethics we should already understand and know (shalt not kill, and so on).

Though a paradise after death wouldn't be a bad thing. It's just there's no proof that there is one and as such we shouldn't be concerned with it yet.

It doesn't teach us morals anyway.

Put it this way; God cannot be the source of morals because when we see his production of the ten commandments we jude them as good; and if God were to kill people for disagreeing with him ie. sodom and gomorrah; we say "oh, that's nasty". If God was the source of morals then whatever he did would be morally correct; but in fact we judge his actions as good or bad and hence the morals come from us.

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

Put it this way; God cannot be the source of morals because when we see his production of the ten commandments we jude them as good; and if God were to kill people for disagreeing with him ie. sodom and gomorrah; we say "oh, that's nasty". If God was the source of morals then whatever he did would be morally correct; but in fact we judge his actions as good or bad and hence the morals come from us.

And even the 10 Commandments are so lacking in substance that it boggles my mind how any Christian can say with pride that this is the epitome of Christian ethics. Is this as good as it gets? Don't desire your neighbors' slave, no matter if male or female? Don't depict God? How about "Don't rape children"? Is this really as good as it gets?

Mmm. Which is why I added the 'at best'.

Mostly we can work out morals better ourselves as humans than have them passed down in archaic dogma that only leads to an attempt to adhere to morals that might not work or are no longer relevant or accepted.

Originally Posted by Korittke

And even the 10 Commandments are so lacking in substance that it boggles my mind how any Christian can say that this is the proud epitome of Christian ethics. Is this as good as it gets? Don't ask for your neighbors slave, no matter if male or female? Don't depict God? How about "Don't rape children"? Is this really as good as it gets?

...don't ask for your neighbour's slave isn't one of the ten commandments, and thou shalt not rape pretty much covers raping children.

Originally Posted by Siиdяed

...don't ask for your neighbour's slave isn't one of the ten commandments, and thou shalt not rape pretty much covers raping children.

Meh, you're right. But rape isn't covered. :p Instead, there are 4 sentences on God.

...wow, you're right, rape isn't in there. Sweet Jesus, what's been holding me back all this time?

Careful, now--a good Christian can only rape his wife.

As his priest the choir boy.

...that said, I don't dislike Christians as such.

AHHHHH i swear i'm going to go insane if you don't change your sig soon Sin!! It scares me so much, i don;t know why but something about that kid scares me, it's his expression or his eyes or something, ahhhhh!!!!!!

Anyway..........

Though you know in some ways i have more respect for Muslims then Christians. I dislike them more because of how their religion makes them behave but at least they have the courage to actually follow the rules of the Qu'ran. They will kill a women if she is not a virgin( not in England but in their own country, as seen in Iraq and such). Basically at least they follow what they God says more then Christians, they have the courage of their convictions. Time doesn't change their Gods ruling, they shall not advance because his shadow covers them. If you are religious you should obey your God. At least they do, they don;t try and change his rules to suit them, to look nice in the papers. Maybe they hate more hate and are portrayed as violent, but it is what their God, and the Christian God( very similar books, in fact i believe they are praying to the exact same God) want of them. I'm sure they are proud.

We all know that Catholic priests are perfectly allowed to rape young boys, so no need to cover that part at least.

I used to think that well, at least religion teaches morals. I have since changed my mind completely. I really fear the people who need some written document to tell them to not steal or murder... .. I, for one, am proud to say that I knew to not do those things all on my own.

All religion teaches is hatred. Have you ever seen an atheist go around screaming at people that they will go to hell? Or threatening to suicide bomb people for not agreeing with him? Hmmmm...

Originally Posted by Siиdяed

To be honest, fundementalism in any form is a catalyst for conflict, be it fundementalist Muslim, Christian, aethiest, whatever.

It's not just fundamentalists that are the problem. The moderates of the religions that are basically violent and intolerant allow the fundamentalists to exist. Fundamentalists of religions that are against violence are no problem, right? So it's not "fundamentalism", it's the religion itself.

What is a "fundamentalist atheist"? That makes no sense.

Originally Posted by cuddleyperson

Though you know in some ways i have more respect for Muslims then Christians. I dislike them more because of how their religion makes them behave but at least they have the courage to actually follow the rules of the Qu'ran. They will kill a women if she is not a virgin( not in England but in their own country, as seen in Iraq and such).

That's a very strange reason to "have more respect" for someone--because they actually follow the insane rules of their religion? That's like saying you admire Hitler, because he had the courage to follow thru on his beliefs.

The only fundamentalist atheist I can imagine is one that refuses to believe in God not matter what (ie. if God itself appeared to the atheist and they denied God). Or an atheist that will not even regard or listen to any reasoning to believe in a God.

What do you think...?

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