Thread: Sharia Law

yeah i know what you mean. In my school i asked a few of them, some of which i am friendly with, what they consider their nationality.

Most said Pakistani but also Muslim. I explained the difference between religious views and nationality, but they stuck with what they said, that Muslim was a nationality in there eyes and, this is the same as when they said Pakistani, that although they were born in England, they do not consider themselves English. I think this is a really bad sign, they seem to think our rules don't apply. At least in America there is a greater patriotism so people from all religious faiths will say they are American.

Obviously this doesn't reflect all Muslims at all, in fact i think it's more our generation that feel so strongly from what i have seen. No doubt the problems in the middle east are a factor.

I rally hope we don;t pass any legislation that allowed for their laws to intertwine with our own, or honour killings( when they kill the woman who has ran away from an arranged marriage, is not a virgin, etc) may start somehow avoiding murder status...

Its really becoming an issue we need to deal with, they are very crafty in the UK, i mean at my college for example, if i was to speak out about a Muslim or attempt to make a debate, i would either be attacked, verbally abused or even told to leave the college. HOWEVER, if a Muslim was to speak badly about an Atheist there would be no sanction whatsoever. This can apply to anyone really, say one bad thing about their religion and your gone, simply because you may offend them.

Another thing that worries me and makes me nervous is how they all stay together in a group and are very secretive. They make things unfair also, like my brother was set an assignment for his course at Uni, and he was paired with a couple of Muslim guys, and apparantly they were just speaking in a different language and excluding my brother from the group, he nearly failed the assignment because of it. Its so ridiculous that they get away with this.

Anything i could do or say to a Muslim would only fuel my rage/hate for them. Looking at the current rate of increase in religion i think its safe to say that if there is going to be a World War 3, it will be between Islam and Christianity, lets just hope that we can all come to our senses and break off from Religion to prevent further problems. If you look at it though, Islam is growing and the majority believe that everyone should accept Islam, and if they do not, they should die. I can see things getting out of control so easily when they start making demands.

Its a pity there is not a religious debate club in my college, that would be a cool thing to join.

cuddley, in America for some reason, if you ask nationality people will always tell you their family heritage from the last 9 million generations.

That's amazing how the human mind can become so distorted. It's sad and pathetic that the real distorted fucks are the ones in control that are actually the gears behind this.

Don't worry though, if England starts to go crazy.....




we'll bomb you.

Originally Posted by Lucid Seeker

I hold the strong belief that if you come to a country, you should try and become a part of the country and not enforce your beliefs onto anyone part of that society. Pretty much, if you can't abide by our rules you can go back to your own country.

That is so so true. And it's all I see these days; countries making special allowances for Muslims in the law. I've always tried to be tolerant and accept their cultural and religious ways, but its' getting too far. I see it even in Australia Muslim's are starting to have too much hold and power.

Originally Posted by Stephent91

cuddley, in America for some reason, if you ask nationality people will always tell you their family heritage from the last 9 million generations.

That pisses me off SO much. I really don't care that your great great great grandmother was a quarter Irish.

Muslims are damn crazy. And dangerous. I know I sound like some conservative from the South or something, but seriously, they are driving people to think this way by their actions.

The Sharia is certainly primitive and barbaric, but not all who follow Islam accept or enforce these laws.

Sweeping generalizations benefit no one.

Aye, you really did go off on a tangent there. You got to the point of saying that the fact that your brother was excluded from a group of two snotty brats (and didn't beat them into the ground for ignoring him...but perhaps I'm too intolerant of ignorance) was due to their religion.

Not that I'm justifying that "law" and the actions thereof at all. And stoning women...well, the makes me sick on so many levels of course. I'd most whole-heartedly enjoy seeing a squadron of inquisitionary forces slaughtering whoever does such things.

But, aye, no need to generalise and no need to discuss the "religion" itself since that's there to stay, apparently, but as for intrusions...heh, wasn't there some story with Christmas lights last year or the year before that in the UK...something about Muslims demanding the Christmas decorations be removed in some district or some such? Aye, it seems that it gets to ridiculous extents.

So I imagine the question stands: how far is too far when it comes to multi-national values within one nation?

The thing to remember that Islamic terrorrism and its twin Islamic extremism work by manipulation.

Islamic Terror is built with Islamic Extremism. Most islamic extremists are normal people. The whole system works by brainwashing. The people in control gain the trust of normal muslims and completely fill their mind with hate and complete acceptance until they are completely extreme. After that it's manipulation and mob psychology.

Whoever talked about Islam as a brainwashing tool knew exactly what I meant. That's the main aim of Islamic terror - to brainwash. They are masters at convenient misinformation and misinterpretation, avoiding the issue and twisting your statements. That's why I almost didn't post my feelings on this thread, even though they mean a lot to me - I knew they would make no difference.

I'm sure this thread too will be locked soon. The only reason I decided to get into it and not get a mod is because this is in the R&S section.

This is what I think about the brainwashing. Oh, and the only reason I don't care about some jihadi coming to get me is that, from the Qu'ran's point of view, I'm already burning.



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Originally Posted by A Humble Sinner
No, it's not. This is sharia law, which means being beheaded for commiting a crime against religion. Like adultery. Or homosexuality. I wonder how they prove that homosexuality was committed with intent and, once that's done, prove that the guilty party chose to behave illegally when he (or she) had the freedom to be heterosexual. Oh yes. I remember. They mostly prosecute people who choose to wantonly act homosexual instead of repressing their sexuality for the rest of their miserable lives stuck in that country. Of course, if they're black, they also get the honour of being treated like shit the dog wouldn't look at.

It's sick. It's not schoolyard justice. If you give me a better explanation of it I could explain why. But there's a difference.

I heard about it when it happened. It's unimaginable. It's just horribly, terrifyingly unimaginable that an entire country runs on the holy law of a 7th century prophet.

Not only are they extremists, they are extremists with training and a lot of black gold supporting them. They send their imams all over the world. To America. To Britain. They get access to entire muslim communities. They are authority figures. People you would trust, people who can help. Community leaders. Ha.

And these community leaders, these people you should trust and respect and admire leech onto the communities they find and suck, slowly brainwashing everyone they can.

Britain is introducing a system of dealing with Muslims applying to enter the UK. They are going to give them "Britishness" tests. And the only people who will be exempt are, suprise, suprise, the imams.

They preach their word to the people. They say that America is the Great Satan. They say that Jews are responsible for the world's problems. I actually once found in a documentary style thing that someone claimed that pages of Saidia Arabias school textbooks dedicated themselves to explaining this.

And the imams say that it is glorious to die for your god. As we can see from the events of 7/7, someone obviously took this paticular message of god to heart.

I'd like to say that I don't have any problem with Muslims. I have a problem with extremists. Of all kinds. And I especially have a problem with extemists that kill other people who don't agree with them, force people to live the way they "should" be living (according the extremist's version of "should" and "living", of course) and terrorize or kill anyone they don't agree with.

And now? Now Holocuast-deniers are going to speak at Oxford. Tomorrow. In the name of free speech. And yet they have already threatened to kill several people who have spoken out against the lecture.

That doesn't sound like tolerant of free speech to me.

Btw, a lot of the debate protesters got threats. As far as I know, the debate proceeded as planned.
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Yeah.

It makes me angry to hear people talk like that about muslims. Im not a muslim but all my family is. My mom comes from mooroco and all her family are peaceful secular muslims.

My mom phones a spiritual leader in mooroco for advice and prayers and guess what that spiritual leader who is the head of a temple (mosque) is a women to. They all are just regular people.

So just think about it islam is not as bad you think.

Another thing that worries me and makes me nervous is how they all stay together in a group and are very secretive. They make things unfair also, like my brother was set an assignment for his course at Uni, and he was paired with a couple of Muslim guys, and apparantly they were just speaking in a different language and excluding my brother from the group, he nearly failed the assignment because of it. Its so ridiculous that they get away with this.

They are just tight nit like any other commnity on onother website i heard an austrailian guy complaing how he had to move from his little white town to a multi cultural adelaide or was it Sydney. Anyway there were lots of asians on his campus and they all spoke there own languages with eachother and stayed in a group and it was hard for him to make freinds and he was ranting on about how there should be a "white austrailia" and english should only be used. he just felt left out but he sounded like a rascist.

Anyway learn urdu if its such a problem....but dont just use that as an excuse for disliking muslims because they use their own language. Its sounds like you just generally dont like pakistanties and are kind of bitter about them in general.

Most said Pakistani but also Muslim. I explained the difference between religious views and nationality, but they stuck with what they said, that Muslim was a nationality in there eyes and, this is the same as when they said Pakistani, that although they were born in England, they do not consider themselves English. I think this is a really bad sign, they seem to think our rules don't apply. At least in America there is a greater patriotism so people from all religious faiths will say they are American.

Its called the ummah or umma actually. Its some muslim thing i forget exactly but its like a "country" or nation thing for all muslims to rally around, i dont know the specifics sorry.

I heard from a pakistani that she had an identity crisis of weither she is english or pakistani. She couldnt speak Urdu only english but she didnt feel english because she wasnt white. There is more beneath the surface then u think.

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They preach their word to the people. They say that America is the Great Satan. They say that Jews are responsible for the world's problems. I actually once found in a documentary style thing that someone claimed that pages of Saidia Arabias school textbooks dedicated themselves to explaining this.
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Ya i saw something like this on youtube some reporter was walking around and asking people (seriously) would you shake hands with a jew? and they were all like no jews are the eternal enemy!. it was werid