Thread: Something just doesn't add up

0+0 does not equal 1. Who said that?

but then again you choose to so firmly believe that 0+0=1.

Well, most atheist don't know how the universe was made, hence looking for the theory of everything.

Actually, if you look at it mathematically, then the laws of physics would not be simple arithmatic. Hence, the need for advanced calculus and algebra to explain stuff like quantum mechanics.

Also, you also believe that. As who created god? and don't say god always is, as I can say the universe always is.

Also, your assuming that atheist believe that their was nothing, where people like Stephen Hawking and Roger Penrose will disagree, saying that before the universe is meaningless, hence 1/0.

Isn't that just sort of umm..hypocritical?

Your the one being a hypocritical.

Your argument makes no sense.

How can you come up with a jar of peanutbutter without already having one?

You are adding principles.

Using this, though, you can come up with this:

1 + 1 = 0

One jar of peanut butter pluss one jar of peanut butter equals no jars of peanut butter-- You take two jars of peanut butter and smash them together and you no longer have any jars of peanut butter.

Load of shit.

This mixing of maths with real life actions is getting way out of hand. If you put one snake in a cage with 5 rats you end up with 0 rats, so 5+1=0, no?

Originally Posted by Rock

So I was checking the 2+2=5 thread by Universal Mind, and it just came to me. I'm only asking this question in good nature, so please just bear with me here. you claim it's so impossible for someone to believe in 2+2=5 (which I agree with 100% so don't bother) but then again you choose to so firmly believe that 0+0=1. Isn't that just sort of umm..hypocritical? Just wondering...

Load of shit x2.

Ps, who gave you the second "equation"?

And why are there so many idiots who have never used maths trying to convince others that maths is flexible?

It's probably a sign that my computer clock goes slower when I'm on this forum. Yes, Dream Views makes my computer retarded. That can't be good for me.

Originally Posted by Korittke

This mixing of maths with real life actions is getting way out of hand. If you put one snake in a cage with 5 rats you end up with 0 rats, so 5+1=0, no?

Well, it'd be 5x+1y=0x

sorry.

I just think that even claiming 2 + 2 = 4 and will ALWAYS = 4 is a very arrogant opinion.

As far as 0 + 0 = 1, there never was an 0. The universe has always existed, forever. There is no starting point, no big bang, no ultimate commencement. It drifts off endlessly both backwards and forwards.

Furthermore with our current system of mathematics I highly doubt we'll ever find a universal theory of physics.

i do hope this isnt about the universe being the "1"


if so god is just a suddenly appearing "1" anyway, so in this case it is more logical to assume that the universe is the only. im calm.

typical replies, bashing and insulting with no substantial response whatsoever. If you don't believe the big bang happened... I'm going to leave your fellow atheists to reply to this. Also, it's a pretty simple concept really. According to what you say, there was nothing, pft, vacuum and then there was the universe. I actually agree with that, except only a supernatural power can bring something out of nothing. As for Who created God, well I never said everything had to be created, and you must remember that God isn't a physical being, thus he isn't subject to any physical concepts (the big mistake which you always make). He isn't subject to the concept of time, thus He is eternal. God was always present and always will be. However, that is in a para-physical state. In our physical concepts however, something can't come out of nothing. period.

If there was nothing then there was no supernatural force either-- because that's something.

Anyway, saying "magic did it" answers nothing and adds unecessarily to the theories.

As I said, there was nothing in our universal physical form, however God not in our physical state, and is not subject to the concept of time. He is all-powerful, thus the ability to be eternal isn't that far fetched, is it?

You can't exist and not exist at the same time, you fucking idiot.

Originally Posted by Rock

typical replies, bashing and insulting with no substantial response whatsoever. If you don't believe the big bang happened... I'm going to leave your fellow atheists to reply to this. Also, it's a pretty simple concept really. According to what you say, there was nothing, pft, vacuum and then there was the universe. I actually agree with that, except only a supernatural power can bring something out of nothing. As for Who created God, well I never said everything had to be created, and you must remember that God isn't a physical being, thus he isn't subject to any physical concepts (the big mistake which you always make). He isn't subject to the concept of time, thus He is eternal. God was always present and always will be. However, that is in a para-physical state. In our physical concepts however, something can't come out of nothing. period.

Originally Posted by Xei

Why is there existence rather than nothing?


This is the ultimate philosophical question in my opinion.

The answer may eventually just be mathematical. We can't cope with this concept because we live in a universe with linear time. It may be that reality has many time dimensions in which spontaneous existence is completely logical. However, sadly, we may never be able to emulate such logic, let alone comprehend it.

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As I said, there was nothing in our universal physical form, however God not in our physical state, and is not subject to the concept of time. He is all-powerful, thus the ability to be eternal isn't that far fetched, is it?

The universe is not physical, it is quantum!

So yeah, quantum mechanics is so cool that you can have a dead cat and a alive cat, see the cat is both alive and dead, intill you measure it!

So physics is not about reality, as Hawkings said their is no litmus test for reality.

So yeah, Quantum mechanics is not physical and is not subject to time.

See, there is no god only quantum mechanics, P.S. you should google it.

God being all powerful is a contradiction, hence it is far fetched. I.E. can god created a stone he cannot lift? which, is a contradiction. God being not subject to physical law is a cop out, that like saying magick. Which, is the only argument you have presented.

I believe in god and he is all powerful, doo you know time, well god is not subject to it, blah, blah, blah.. so that why god is not far fetched. Submit fairies and you got the same post, rock, can god create a rock he can't lift?

Also, Rock nobody claims there was nothing before time. Only, you do? Hence the need for a god. Or maybe the need for a god is a confrot blanket, to stop children crying at night, because they will die and all their love ones.

you're just running around in circles and dodging the question. I'll make my question pretty clear: What is your explanation for the beginning of the universe? How did the original particle which caused the big bang to occur come out of nothing? Just give me a straightforward answer and stop dodging the question

Rock, you're jumping to conclusions with no evidence to back them up.. We don't fully understand how the universe came about yet, athiests and agnostics both know this and accept it.. You as a theist refuse to accept it and simply make up an answer, then call us stupid for not believing it...

Theres simply no evidence for an all-knowing, all-powerful, eternal super-being.. Period. Please stop acting like you have the knowledge of one.

Originally Posted by Rock

you're just running around in circles and dodging the question. I'll make my question pretty clear: What is your explanation for the beginning of the universe? How did the original particle which caused the big bang to occur come out of nothing? Just give me a straightforward answer and stop dodging the question

If you want my answer, I think the universe itself cause the big bang. I don't think the big bang was the beginning of everything; just the beginning of everything we now know. I lean more to an infinite looking world.


SO there.

Originally Posted by Rock

So I was checking the 2+2=5 thread by Universal Mind, and it just came to me. I'm only asking this question in good nature, so please just bear with me here. you claim it's so impossible for someone to believe in 2+2=5 (which I agree with 100% so don't bother) but then again you choose to so firmly believe that 0+0=1. Isn't that just sort of umm..hypocritical? Just wondering...

I don't know who believes that 0 + 0 = 1, and I did not say it is impossible for anybody to believe that 2 + 2 = 5. I said it is impossible for anybody to choose to believe that 2 + 2 = 5. If you disagree, would you like to meet me in the 2 + 2 = 5 thread for an interview?

Originally Posted by Rock

What is your explanation for the beginning of the universe?

The big bang. What was at the root of the big bang? Some kind of principle that exists outside of time and has no beginning or end. What is your explanation for the beginning of God?

The idea that God was present but there was no universe is illogical. If he exists outside of time, then how can he commit an action to bring the universe into existence? It has to happen over a period of something called time. How can he decide to create the universe in the first place without thoughts that exist through time? There was never a nothing, ever, its the only thing that makes any sense to me. With cause an effect, there is always a predescent cause. There is no beginning, no first cause.

And just so anybody knows when refuting me, I am not an atheist.

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

The idea that God was present but there was no universe is illogical. If he exists outside of time, then how can he commit an action to bring the universe into existence? It has to happen over a period of something called time. How can he decide to create the universe in the first place without thoughts that exist through time? There was never a nothing, ever, its the only thing that makes any sense to me. With cause an effect, there is always a predescent cause. There is no beginning, no first cause.

And just so anybody knows when refuting me, I am not an atheist.

I'm not an atheist either, but whatever is outside our universe (assuming its nothing) the time thing really hurts God to our understanding. But when you think about how little we know, there can be another entirely new force that can replace time/space. For all we know he can be everything outside the universe. There's not much we can really say about this.

Originally Posted by NeoSioType

I'm not an atheist either, but whatever is outside our universe (assuming its nothing) the time thing really hurts God to our understanding. But when you think about how little we know, there can be another entirely new force that can replace time/space. For all we know he can be everything outside the universe. There's not much we can really say about this.

I am thinking more along the lines of timeless equations and such, not anything physical.

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

I just think that even claiming 2 + 2 = 4 and will ALWAYS = 4 is a very arrogant opinion.

That's completely illogical. For maths to work, you need circular definitions, it would be pointless to say that equation MAY be correct.

Originally Posted by Rock

typical replies, bashing and insulting with no substantial response whatsoever. If you don't believe the big bang happened... I'm going to leave your fellow atheists to reply to this. Also, it's a pretty simple concept really. According to what you say, there was nothing, pft, vacuum and then there was the universe. I actually agree with that, except only a supernatural power can bring something out of nothing. As for Who created God, well I never said everything had to be created, and you must remember that God isn't a physical being, thus he isn't subject to any physical concepts (the big mistake which you always make). He isn't subject to the concept of time, thus He is eternal. God was always present and always will be. However, that is in a para-physical state. In our physical concepts however, something can't come out of nothing. period.

Rock, you've got a problem here. You're trying to unite two concepts you don't quite understand. You cannot quantify "something coming from nothing" mathematically. You're making a failed analogy, not a solid mathematical statement. There is no hypocrisy here.

I don't understand why most of you are claiming that the universe always existed, I thought you guys believed the big bang happened? Besides, how can a physical object in our universe be eternal? You are still dodging my question by the way You're giving me meaningless answers, basically what you're all saying so far is that: The universe created itself. I'm sorry, how can anything create itself. and how can anything in OUR physical state be eternal? and when I say that God is outside the concept of time, I mean that he controls that concept, He is eternal and all-powerful, thus forming the universe and creating its physics laws is in His very simple capabilities. You need to stop thinking of God as a man in the sky with a magic wand, He is unlike anything you know or can think of, that's the whole point. And one last thing, when you use science, the thing is bare science can neither prove or disprove God. What you're all saying is that since there is no proof he existed, then he doesn't. That's a very logical way of thinking, however there are things that simply can not be explained without the existence of a force above our physical state, like the creation of the universe. There is no way the universe could've been created without such a force. How? Again, it's very simple. (note that this is simplified, I'm just proving a point The whole universe was vacuum, empty, nothing. Then an extremely tiny particle exploded in a very accurate way (see, I'm just keeping it simple here) to form the universe as we know it, of course there were changes from now and then, but that's basically how it started. Assuming that particle could've achieved that 1/billionth accuracy all by itself without any interference (which you just put simply down to chance, you pit your entire beliefs on a 1 in a billionths chance.. .), the question still remains: Where did this physical particle come from?