Thread: Time beginning with the great flood

I sense an arkeologist joke just around the corner

anyway
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html

Zacharia Sitchin might have an explanation for you. Have you read the Earth Chronicles? If civilization was overseen by a higher power (not necesarily an ephemerial deity), then it seems likely that they would reestablish their kingdom on earth after they flushed it as they wanted it before man turned "wicked."

Why not just wave your wang around and make man non-evil again? Seems like a lot of trouble to go through the whole "flush, remake, hide all the evidence, falsify evidence that man might develop into finding thousands of years later - maybe" thang when you're infinitely powerful and can just snap your fingers and make it however you want it to be anyway. What's the point of going to all that extent?

Originally posted by kimpossible
Why not just wave your wang around and make man non-evil again? Seems like a lot of trouble to go through the whole \"flush, remake, hide all the evidence, falsify evidence that man might develop into finding thousands of years later - maybe\" thang when you're infinitely powerful and can just snap your fingers and make it however you want it to be anyway. What's the point of going to all that extent?

And then later he sent himself to Earth as his son so he could be good enough to have his son/self tortured to temporary death so he could go right back to where he was forever when he has always been everywhere. He did all of that so that people could stop being burned forever for being evil and could instead be burned forever for not believing these bizarre events happened. Perhaps he should have just not allowed one of his angels to say, "God is everywhere and infinitely powerful, but I think I can overthrow him!" and start out by building a place where he burns humans forever. Nipping that in the bud would have been easier. And not creating an angel that he knew was going to do that would have been even easier.

according to my calculations, it would have been 300 years from noah to abraham, does not seem like enough time to re-establish.

The stroy Noahs arc is derived from gilgamish (sumerian legend i beleive)
The story has some connections to reality but only that at one point the red sea(one seahat is near egypt or middle east) may have flooded at one point.

If you look at it from a logical perspective it is false. How could he have feeded two of every animal on the arc? How could he have gathered two of every animal? Could an arc of that time really hold that many animals?

Just sumerian legend adopted by christians in their bible for there stories.

You could still understand soil layers and the relation to bones and such, just maybe not as accuratly. And carbon-dating wouldn't be in-affective. (Carbon-dating is accurate for a long time, btw.) There is no reason as a Christian to believe that the world isn't old and then find reasons to justify that. If you read Hebrew, it never says 7 days. Plus, there are alot of other Hebrew suggestions to ab old Earth.

spockman, I didn't know you played World of Warcraft!

In before thread sodomization and .

No lock in sight.

I don't doubt giant floods, just look at what happened to those island nations recently...

Noah on the other hand, and the boat story I believe to be nothing but a nice story. And I highly doubt the WHOLE WORLD was one giant waterhole but... I don't doubt massive floods in certain areas of the world.

Originally Posted by issaiah1332

Ok, let me try to explain this in literate ways that will lead to understanding. In almost every religion, every continent , their is archaeological evidence referring to a great flood, and one man surviving this flood by means of a ship, of some sort. Now the hard part, if we were to trace back in time to where we find relics, how could scientists today trace back time to the very start of evolutionary findings. considering this flood would have altered the land and after this flood all civilization would have to be reconstructed, so considering Noah's (Before the flood) civilization before the flood would have been far more advanced than after the flood, how is it that rules, population, and society, as a whole, could all be reestablished in such a short amount of time. (Going by our man- made time intervals)


I hope that I phrased this in such a way that it can be understood. I have pondered over this question for some time and have even traced back in time to try to answer it, but have failed. Please provide me with some clarity.

Perhaps the meaning to Noah's Ark lies not in the material world - in a limited, historical timeline - but in the spiritual world, in the eternal moment. Even if one considered the Flood to be a historical event in limited space and time, what purpose would it serve to know this had happened? It also makes very little sense if it is interpreted literally. To interpret it in this way (as all meaning in writing, and especially spiritual, symbolic writing, is dependent on interpretation) leads to more questions then it answers.

What if you consider the Flood happening not in the past as a historical event, but in the present, spiritually? Water has long been a symbol for Knowledge - the Higher and Lower Waters signifying spiritual and material knowledge. By placing material consciousness above spiritual consciousness, we inevitably 'cut ourselves off' from understanding any Higher Knowledge. Trying to understand spiritual knowledge from a purely material perspective is to reduce the higher to the lower; by limiting a greater understanding of our Being to a lesser, we create a consciousness which cannot hold the immensity of our Total Self, and leads to a 'flooding' of our consciousness. The only way to understand this Higher Knowledge is to create a sanctuary, an ark, within ourselves that protects us from drowning in our own limited understanding. It is this creation, or new awareness, of a spiritual space and time within our consciousness that leads to a deeper understanding of the Self and World, while at the same time it can be said that it is this understanding actualized in the present.

Originally Posted by DeathCell

Noah on the other hand, and the boat story I believe to be nothing but a nice story.

I think it's a disgusting story of mass murder and impossibility.

Originally Posted by ClassyElf

I think it's a disgusting story of mass murder and impossibility.

Yeah I was trying to be nice though -.-

I think a great flood did happen, because of how universal the story is. but at the same time, our oldest stories are the most symbolic stories because no one was writing in our most ancient history. our first cultures didn't have written language, they were an oral culture. just play a game of telephone. its not hard to see how the truth can stretch in a fable without written word.


the idea of a pair of each animal on a single boat, is just silly

but there is another theme in this story that persists today. and thats the idea that natural disasters are a punishment/or result because of our lifestyle. just look at the story of atlantis.

today there are many people who think the earth is conscious. and she's losing patience with humanity, 'again'.

Originally Posted by juroara

I think a great flood did happen, because of how universal the story is.

Where is the evidence of it being universal? I hear so many people make this argument but I never see anyone back it up.

The only common theme I can see is that christians and islamics took their flood myth from the jews who took their flood myth from the babylonians who took their flood myth from the sumerians. All other flood stories seem like they represent local floods and were unrelated to each other. Flooding is a common occurance on this planet and making up stories about god's wrath in times of severe weather was common for prehistoric humans.

There is no evidence of a great flood. There is plenty of evidence that there was no great flood.

The end.

Originally Posted by Xei

There is no evidence of a great flood. There is plenty of evidence that there was no great flood.

The end.

Actually, i remember reading somewhere that there are indeed evidence of a flood. About 10000-12000 years ago, the last ice-age ended quite abruptly. All the ice melted in a less than a millennia. That could explain why so many cultures have a myth about a great flood.

I don't remember where i read it though. It may not be accurate, but it seems plausible.

I'm pretty sure there was a large flood, some sea flooding over the land or something, think we learnt about it at some point. If not then just a general large flood or tsunami.

Anyway what probably happened was out of loads of villages which were wiped out some lucky people, maybe only one but probably a few more, survived by building boats. Since to them their world(hundreds of miles around them) was destroyed it was called a world flood by them, even though it obviously wasn't.

Originally Posted by dragonoverlord

The stroy Noahs arc is derived from gilgamish (sumerian legend i beleive)
The story has some connections to reality but only that at one point the red sea(one seahat is near egypt or middle east) may have flooded at one point.

If you look at it from a logical perspective it is false. How could he have feeded two of every animal on the arc? How could he have gathered two of every animal? Could an arc of that time really hold that many animals?

Just sumerian legend adopted by christians in their bible for there stories.

You are quite right, but I just have to nit-picky hear and say, adopted by jewish people since the OT was written earlier than any idea about Christ.

So before the great flood...what happened then? lol, you would have to be the most arrogant prick to think that time began with the great flood. How did water end up there? or the earth? or the deterioration of a giant land mass to make that flood in the first place? or Those damn animals and that old man who had the time to make that boat? You must believe in that guy if you believe in the gibberish you are writing.

People like you honestly...give me the shakes.

ITS CALLED EVOLUTION! are you saying that the plants decayed at slower speeds? what happened to you're theory on time starting with the flood?

That's not really what he's saying dylanshmai. He's saying that accurate records of time can't exist before the flood. Like, the flood would have washed away soil layers and screwed with fossil records. That's the idea.

oh, well thats also ludicrous, I am living proof!!! and so are the stars.

Agreed that it still doesn't make much sense, (it doesn't even line up with the Bible anyway, ironically,) but it at least makes more sense then time literally beginning with the flood.

Still, I certainly commend his conviction, if not his application of objective thinking in this area.