Thread: A Universal Ecumenical Compromise

Why would the jews get Jeureaselem why not make Jeureaselm a city state like the vatican were are threre relegions Islam,Catholicism and Judaism get along and like the vatican its sourve of money comes from people of all 3 faiths by charity or something.

Wouldnt that work better as a compromise?

Leo, you're starting more and more to remind me of Father Windgate.

http://www.trumpetersmission.com/

The man's part of the "Old Catholic Church," which is not actually Catholic. Of course, he's obsessed about a post-apocalyptic future, revealed unto him by angels in visions, where people survive by forming Catholic communities. His visions to date have been wrong, incidentally.

If you're so upset about there being no more Catholic civilization, maybe you should stop saying you're a Catholic and join the Old Catholics.

Originally posted by Gastone Mojaisky
Why would the jews get Jeureaselem why not make Jeureaselm a city state like the vatican were are threre relegions Islam,Catholicism and Judaism get along and like the vatican its sourve of money comes from people of all 3 faiths by charity or something.

Wouldnt that work better as a compromise?

Sure.

The idea of a successful Ecumenicalism would envision something of an integration and synthesis among the partnering Religions. It really would not be the same for them afterwards. Remember that Christ had said that "new wine must be put into new skins or bottles". An updated Divine Revelation could not really be contained by any of the now Ancient Religions, no matter how useful they had been in the past. Indeed, it will take a Great New Revelation in order to make all squabbling over the old details seem irrelevant. yes, the various traditions may retain enough of their customs of belief to remember where they have come from, but there must be enough that is new to everybody in order to form the basis of a synthetic unity.

Deciding not to kill each other is not enough. A true Religious Brotherhood requires an active participation based on real feelings of kinship. Without any New Revelation, this would be impossible. Too much is written in those old Scriptures which seem to authorize a militant violence against those of diverging beliefs or ethnicities. Take Judaism as an example. Belief and Religion mean nothing, but as long as one has the Blood of Jacob in one's veins, any thievery and murder seems to be justified -- it seems to be a Religion fit for a Master Race.... Hitler did not so much hate the Jews as he wished to supplant them and take over their very way of thinking. Afterall, what difference is there between a people who claim to be the Chosen People of God and those who would style themselves a Master Race. Racism is Racism, however you style it.

The Catholic insistance upon Rome is silly. Catholic Civilization could have survived had the Popes moved to Avignon France and stayed there. It was the return to seedy and corrupt Rome that paved the way for the Fall of Catholic Civilization. Again, the Catholics will be asked to leave Rome. Even now the Capital of the Catholic World should be by everybody's estimation in Latin America. There is no Catholic Europe. People are either Protestant or they are Free Mason or Atheist in Europe. To man the few Parish Churches that have not been sold off to pay the lawyers for the Pedophile Scandals, they need to bring in Priests from Latin America, Asia, Oceana, and Africa. Rome, examined demographically is to be numbered an Enemy of the Church.

Islam simply shows too much violence for them to deny they are a violent religion. Those Mullahs who instruct upon Violence must be quoting from somewhere. Indeed, in Christianity we understand Martyrs to be those who suffer from Murder, but somehow in Islam we have the strange notion that Martyrs are those who commit murder. And it must source out of the History which presents to us a Mohamed the Prophet who for a large part of his career engaged in banditry and civil war. He wrote a Religion which was designed to enlist military recruits. It was very opportunistic and served his purposes well at the time, but unfortunately it continues with the Institutions of War even into the times of Peace. Then there are the problems of other forms of opportunism in Islam. Mohamed started out as against Idoltry... that was why he left Mecca for Medina, because the people of Mecca bowed down to Black Rock Idols. Well, Mohamed eventually lost his War, so what did he do? He signed a Peace Treaty which obligated his followers, in perpetuity -- for ever -- to go to Mecca and bow down before these same Black Rock Idols that had been the cause of the original War. Now, what kind of Prophet surrenders to his opponents and then instructs his followers to commit an endless sacrilege. And then what kind of a Religion does not realize after all this time that they are a bunch of Losers still acting out a humilating and disgraceful condition for Peace -- still going for pilgrimmage to spend their money in Mecca that was and is their enemy, to bow before a Rock that was understood first to be the enemy of Allah. to save his own skin, he institutionalized a morally and spritually compromised Religion. Mohamed might have understood Martyrdom a little bit better had he become one. But like Buddha before him he could manage only to die from overeating.

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The roots of islam are as you say violent people were forced to convert at the point of a sword or be killed and today theres terrorism but the people that did those things beleived in what there doing and beleived they were doing gods work just like the people that fought in the crusades{ im sure your opinion on the crusades are different i read your opinion on it a while ago} and the terrorists attacking the usa and jews think they are doing good but the vast majority of muslims are peaceful.



[/quoteNow, what kind of Prophet surrenders to his opponents and then instructs his followers to commit an endless sacrilege. ]

You have a point there but it could also be interpreted as if he revused all his followers and him would be wiped out and the faith he and they beleived in would be lostt.

Im sure that there are Christian traditions that evevolved from pagan relegion and traditions that could be interpreted as sacrilige.

Originally posted by Gastone Mojaisky


You have a point there but it could also be interpreted as if he revused all his followers and him would be wiped *out and the faith he and they beleived in would be lostt..

Honestly though, in regards to Religious Belief, do you WANT anything tainted and compromised NOT to be lost? That is why there have been Martyrs. Genuinely Religious People would rather die than compromise their Vision. The Religion means more than survival.

Indeed, that is what makes Islam false, is that it so obviously changed its course for the sake of one material convenience after another. It isn't a True Religion but a complex of deals Mohamed made to get ahead.