Thread: Are We A Part Of God?

It seems rather pointless to give new names to things. What do we learn from it? Nothing, really. It's just a rose by another name.

Originally Posted by Xei

It seems rather pointless to give new names to things. What do we learn from it? Nothing, really. It's just a rose by another name.

It doesn`t change the definition of God.
But, if we are a conscious part of the universe, and the universe created itself, we would be a part of God, and the universe would be God. It`s a new way of thinking, it wouldn`t change anything, but it`s a thought.

Some people, when they say "God", are actually reffering to the universe.

Originally Posted by JustSoSick

Lets say the universe created itself, the universe expanded from the big bang, and we evolved from it.

-Aren`t we the universe made self-aware?

-Does that make the universe God? (Self-creating and conscious in the form of us)

How the hell did you go from bullet one, to bullet two? You clearly stated in your opening clause that the universe created itself, not that some god thing did, so no, in response to bullet two, we wouldn't. Unless you call the universe god, which is pointless as Xei said.

It's a clarification of terms. The universe and God are two words meant for the same entity, rather than one being the creator of the other. As soon as we realize this misconception, we can start learning even more cool things.

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

It's a clarification of terms. The universe and God are two words meant for the same entity, rather than one being the creator of the other. As soon as we realize this misconception, we can start learning even more cool things.

Yeah, like how spoons are actually forks, and how we've had these words mixed up this whole time-- Oh, wait, it doesn't fucking matter what we call them, as long as the meaning is understood. So by calling the universe god, of course then your definition of god exists. Just in the way tht if I call this pen on my desk the invisible pink unicorn, then it exists.

I hate semantics games.

Originally Posted by JustSoSick

-Aren`t we the universe made self-aware?

-Does that make the universe God? (Self-creating and conscious in the form of us)

Sounds pretty correct doesn't it? We are one with the universe, so the Divine Source of the Universe would be within us also. And so comes the saying, the "Father is in you." When we find our Source, we discover what we are, "we" are in bliss, the Kingdom of Heaven. All questions are answered.

The semantic issue is that there is no need for "God", if God is the Universe. However, I like to point out that the "Universe" is more of an objective term, whereas "God" is just one name for subjectively realizing what "the Universe" is, perhaps as God (unmanifest), Universe (manifest). God and the Universe are one, as the unmanifest is one with the manifest, however the former is not subject or limited to the constraints of manifest physicality. You could say God is the infinite potentiality out of which physical existence is possible.

Originally Posted by A Roxxor

How the hell did you go from bullet one, to bullet two? You clearly stated in your opening clause that the universe created itself, not that some god thing did, so no, in response to bullet two, we wouldn't. Unless you call the universe god, which is pointless as Xei said.

If the universe made itself, and we are a conscious form of the universe. The universe is conscious and self-creating.
Isn`t that the definition of God?
A conscious creator of everything?
Does God have to be supernatural?

It wouldn`t change anything, but an intresting tought making the universe God and we a part of it. It might be pointless to call the universe God, but it only seems logical considering the universe has always existed or created itself, that God and the universe are the same thing. Just like Omnius Deus said.

Originally Posted by really

Sounds pretty correct doesn't it? We are one with the universe, so the Divine Source of the Universe would be within us also. And so comes the saying, the "Father is in you." When we find our Source, we discover what we are, "we" are in bliss, the Kingdom of Heaven. All questions are answered.

The semantic issue is that there is no need for "God", if God is the Universe. However, I like to point out that the "Universe" is more of an objective term, whereas "God" is just one name for subjectively realizing what "the Universe" is, perhaps as God (unmanifest), Universe (manifest). God and the Universe are one, as the unmanifest is one with the manifest, however the former is not subject or limited to the constraints of manifest physicality. You could say God is the infinite potentiality out of which physical existence is possible.

No, not ''the father is in you'' we are the ''father/God'' we are a conscious part of the Universe. Us, God and the Universe is the same thing. We are just a little, conscious part of it.

I completely agree with the OP, thats how I see things.

People complain you can't call God the universe, but realizing God is the universe, is the key to unlock the wisdom in all religious scriptures talking about God. If you assume God is superman with a beard, the Bible will indeed not make very much sense.

This discussion is very much like people insisting that DNA means candycane. And then those people reason evolution couldn't possibly exist because candycane can't possibly fit into a human cell.

The solution to this problem is very simple.. DNA is not candycane. God is not superman with a beard. Realizing the true nature of DNA will make you understand evolution, realizing the true nature of God will make you understand religion.

I also completely agree with the OP. Saying that the universe is God, to me, is simply the correct definition of what God is, and the result for me, is that religion does make a lot more sense. While there are those who believe in other definitions of what God is, based on literal interpretations of whatever scripture they have read or heard, I assume that when someone speaks of God, they are talking about the Universe, and everything in it as a single entity, perceptively subdivided however it may be.

Having not been to any church in over a decade, I have been gradually moving towards my current beliefs about the universe. Recently I was talked into going to a church service, and with my new perspective, it all made complete sense to me, and had a lot of very good points about how life should be lived, and how we should treat others. The main point was unconditional love.

There are countless definitions people have for God, however, this is one I believe to be the most accurate. We are the finite branches of consciousness, stemming from a common single source, the universe, in which we experience only an extremely tiny fraction of it that makes up our entire lives.

Sorry no. You are lost in a maze of semantics. Why on Earth would you call the universe 'God'? Just call it the universe and stop confusing everybody.

Originally Posted by Xei

Sorry no. You are lost in a maze of semantics. Why on Earth would you call the universe 'God'? Just call it the universe and stop confusing everybody.

What is the right definition of God, in your opinion?

A conscious creator and/or potent presence in the universe.

Originally Posted by Xei

A conscious creator and/or potent presence in the universe.

So according to your definition, any artist is God. Because any artist is a conscious creator of an artwork. Also any human is God, because every human is a potent presence in the universe.

No wonder you think God doesn't exist lol... that's one of the worst definition I have ever heard.

Creator of reality, obviously. And omnipotent.

Originally Posted by Xei

Creator of reality, obviously. And omnipotent.

Would call a conscious creator of the universe that was not omnipotent, God?

Yes. God is a conscious creator and/or omnipotent ruler of reality.

Interesting argument I just realised:

God created reality.
Hence God is apart from reality.
Hence God is not real.

^^actually, that has been used in some arguments before as to why you cant prove there is a god in sceintific terms...but it usually gets blown off.

anyways, to the op. I agree with this except I would like to know what exactly this changes in a religious perspective?

Originally Posted by JustSoSick

Lets say the universe created itself, the universe expanded from the big bang, and we evolved from it.

-Aren`t we the universe made self-aware?

-Does that make the universe God? (Self-creating and conscious in the form of us)

Just a tought.

So if we never evolved to be self conscious, the universe wouldn't be god?

Originally Posted by Xei

Yes. God is a conscious creator and/or omnipotent ruler of reality.

To quote myself:

If the universe made itself, and we are a conscious form of the universe. The universe is conscious and self-creating.

We are a consciousness created by the laws of the universe.

That is very different from the laws of the universe being created by a consciousness.

Originally Posted by Omicron

So if we never evolved to be self conscious, the universe wouldn't be god?

Depends on if there are other life out in the universe which I think is VERY probable. However I see what you mean. If there was no conscious life in the universe would the universe be God?

In my opinion, no. For one simple reason, the universe wouldn`t be conscious.