Thread: Why would you not belive in a god?

Originally Posted by Jdog

theres just no logic in not beliving in a god.

someone please sig this. right now.

There are many holes in our understanding of life, the universe, everything. I choose to let those holes remain - I feel comfortable with not knowing everything there is about everything. Others feel the need to fill those holes.

If believing in god were as simple as going to church on Sundays, we would be having an entirely different conversation. But belief in god right now means that I would go to hell if I were gay, I would go to hell for having premarital sex... I would not be allowed to have friends who are of a different belief.. I mean, the list really goes on and on and on. I choose to live my life without fear of a large oven. There's the kindergarten summary for you.

Bwahaha, M-Cat.

Wow! You're absolutely right! From this day forward I will always stop and remove my left shoe every time someone says the word "systematically" just in case there is a panel of 500 tiger judges that will sentence me to 9,000,000,000 years of watching Survivor reruns if I don't.

Because I have pride and refuse to pander to such a fickle God if he does exist, and if he doesn't, one hour of every sunday (given a 75 year life span) means spending 162 and a half days listening to some old fart spew self-congratulatory bullshit about how right we all are.

Also, because there is no evidence in favor the existence of a God and so I refuse to believe it by principle. Now, your turn:

Why would you not believe in Thor? Thor will go apeshit on you if you die before you accept him as your savior, you know.

Originally Posted by Jdog

beliving in god is a win win situation. if you belive in a god and go to church or some form of worship for an hour every sunday and there is a god you get in to heaven and win. if there isnt a god you lose and hour of every sunday which you would have wasted anyway but you dont realy lose anything. so why claim to be an atheist when there is a posibility that a god exists?
theres just no logic in not beliving in a god.

So do we have to believe in all the gods there are and could ever possibly be?

You realize this is a very tired old argument, don't you? So you don't have to actually bother continuing with this.

Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant

There are many holes in our understanding of life, the universe, everything. I choose to let those holes remain - I feel comfortable with not knowing everything there is about everything. Others feel the need to fill those holes.

If believing in god were as simple as going to church on Sundays, we would be having an entirely different conversation. But belief in god right now means that I would go to hell if I were gay, I would go to hell for having premarital sex... I would not be allowed to have friends who are of a different belief.. I mean, the list really goes on and on and on. I choose to live my life without fear of a large oven. There's the kindergarten summary for you.

Bwahaha, M-Cat.

hell i dont claim to be a perfect human being, i just follow some basic moral's i dont steal from people i dont murder people, i attend sunday church and overall lead a decent life. i dont have a problem with gay's hell i belive in evolution. for me its a much more comforting thought that a god could be inteligent enough to create us through evolution rather than just snapping his fingers and saying let there be humans. i mean for a god to do that it would realy have to have infinite wisdom.

again i dont live by perfect conservative religious values, i dont use drugs but i do masturbate which is supposedly against a commandment. im just saying why not belive in a god, it cant possibly hurt you, in fact most religious folks are happier than atheists.

Originally Posted by thegnome54

Because I have pride and refuse to pander to such a fickle God if he does exist, and if he doesn't, one hour of every sunday (given a 75 year life span) means spending 162 and a half days listening to some old fart spew self-congratulatory bullshit about how right we all are.

Also, because there is no evidence in favor the existence of a God and so I refuse to believe it by principle. Now, your turn:

Why would you not believe in Thor? Thor will go apeshit on you if you die before you accept him as your savior, you know.

absence of evidence my friend is not evidence of absence. i would much rather be safe than sorry, i dont belive in thor beacause there is actual evidence of his absence (he was invented by ancients who thought he was lightning or created lightning).

You didn't really just say that, did you?

Originally Posted by Jdog

absence of evidence my friend is not evidence of absence.

Right, that's why I'm not claiming to know either way.

Originally Posted by Jdog

i would much rather be safe than sorry, i dont belive in thor beacause there is actual evidence of his absence (he was invented by ancients who thought he was lightning or created lightning).

Alright, Mr. Smarty-Pants, what about Ganesh, then? Or what if we're wrong about thunder and lightning, and it really is Thor? How do you know?

My other main objection to this point is the assumption that if a god does exist, he would be impressed by such a display of half-hearted lip service.

Originally Posted by Mark75

You didn't really just say that, did you?

im not even going to bother arguing with you beacause its just a waste of time. i know what you will try to do, in fact this guy defined it quite well http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=51246

he made multiple good points about what this board has turned into, i just wanted to make my point and see what people thought. i didnt ask for you to attempt to grind it into the ground

Originally Posted by Jdog

...i just follow some basic moral's i dont steal from people i dont murder people... and overall lead a decent life. i dont have a problem with gay's ... i belive in evolution.

I follow all of those same principles and morals. I do not need to believe in an invisible sky daddy to do so. Believing in something that cannot be proven in tangible reality is a waste of my time and I am quite comfortable not having all of the answers of life and the universe.

Originally Posted by Mark75

Wow! You're absolutely right! From this day forward I will always stop and remove my left shoe every time someone says the word "systematically" just in case there is a panel of 500 tiger judges that will sentence me to 9,000,000,000 years of watching Survivor reruns if I don't.

I said systematically. Are you still wearing both of your shoes?

Originally Posted by thegnome54

Right, that's why I'm not claiming to know either way.



Alright, Mr. Smarty-Pants, what about Ganesh, then? Or what if we're wrong about thunder and lightning, and it really is Thor? How do you know?

My other main objection to this point is the assumption that if a god does exist, he would be impressed by such a display of half-hearted lip service.

i imagine if a god did exist then he would be much more impressed with my "lip sevice" then you total deniance.

Do you honestly think you can just "decide to believe in god?" That's not belief at all.

You can tell people you believe all you want, go to every church service from now until you die, but that doesn't mean you believe.

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Edit: nevermind, my head is foggy with sleep. Goodnight.

Originally Posted by Jdog

i imagine if a god did exist then he would be much more impressed with my "lip sevice" (sic) then you (sic) total deniance. (sic)

I imagine the opposite. God wouldn't be interested in someone who was merely playing the odds trying to avoid eternal damnation.

Originally Posted by Jdog

im just saying why not belive in a god, it cant possibly hurt you, in fact most religious folks are happier than atheists.

Believing in god who hates you unless you follow his every rule wouldn't hurt you? How on earth could you find belief in someone like that comforting?

And please tell me where you came up with "most religious folks are happier than atheists." How does their higher divorce rate and incredibly higher chance of going to jail support that?

Originally Posted by Jdog

i dont belive in thor beacause there is actual evidence of his absence (he was invented by ancients who thought he was lightning or created lightning).

My dear, the Christian God was invented as well, and there is no evidence to support his actual existence.




Being an atheist is comforting for me beyond what mere words could convey.

Originally Posted by Jdog

i imagine if a god did exist then he would be much more impressed with my "lip sevice" then you total deniance.

I do not deny; nor do I assume.


Now I ask you again: why do you not pray to Ganesh as well, just to be safe?

I'm yet unaware as to the status of your footwear.

i came up with the "most religious folks are happier than atheists" from my general experience in life. i have both atheist and religious friends, and most of the time those religious friends are the ones who seem to be quite happy with what they have, rather than always searching for something more.

Mes Tarrant, that statement alone you made shows indication that you possess maybe not much, but a little belief in GOD.

Originally Posted by Jdog

i came up with the "most religious folks are happier than atheists" from my general experience in life. i have both atheist and religious friends, and most of the time those religious friends are the ones who seem to be quite happy with what they have, rather than always searching for something more.

Always searching for something more is what drives scientific discovery, man.

You can't argue with statistics. Obviously you are either drawing the wrong conclusions from your friends, or your friends terribly misrepresent society in general.

I think you will be much more fulfilled at bibleforums.net than here.

Originally Posted by Jdog

most of the time those religious friends are the ones who seem to be quite happy with what they have, rather than always searching for something more.

That's not happiness, it's the slow death of human curiosity.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

Mes Tarrant, that statement alone you made shows indication that you possess maybe not much, but a little belief in GOD.

What statement? Could you please clarify on what you mean? Thank you.