Thread: The Worst form of child abuse

That brilliant kid is either going to end up being the smartest but most brainwashed holy roller of all time or a resentful atheist who just will not drop it. I am not sure which.

No sound. Can you give me a synopsis?

What a discrase to southerners. Such a waste of a mature child.

Such blind faith is maddening. This kid is so intelligent, but he's going to grow up blindly believing the things his father taught him. I hope the kid learns to think for himself.

And really, the only thought i had besides that was, the kid said god could have made the earth in one day, after all, he is god, but he wanted to make it right so he took his time.

If god is truly god, then he could have made a perfect earth in a millisecond.

we all believed in things as kids that we stop believing as adults. we were all told fairy tales as kids, and encouraged to believe in them one way or another. whether it was heaven, the tooth fairy, hell, wishing on a star, or that romance is simply magical and perfect

adults who refuse to look at the things they were told as a child, has more to do with an ego issue than abuse. they don't want to question. and this is the kind of personality that if they are wrong, they don't want to know. they would rather live in a fairy tale than find out.

this personality trait has to do about the individual, more so than upbringing. there a million examples in the real world of people questioning everything they were ever told as a child. they are all around you/possibly you.

no adult can blame another for what they believed in - that's just life. once someone is an adult, its their responsibility alone. especially if they have access to the internet, there is no excuse to not question everything.

Originally Posted by juroara

we all believed in things as kids that we stop believing as adults. we were all told fairy tales as kids, and encouraged to believe in them one way or another. whether it was heaven, the tooth fairy, hell, wishing on a star, or that romance is simply magical and perfect

adults who refuse to look at the things they were told as a child, has more to do with an ego issue than abuse. they don't want to question. and this is the kind of personality that if they are wrong, they don't want to know. they would rather live in a fairy tale than find out.

this personality trait has to do about the individual, more so than upbringing. there a million examples in the real world of people questioning everything they were ever told as a child. they are all around you/possibly you.

no adult can blame another for what they believed in - that's just life. once someone is an adult, its their responsibility alone. especially if they have access to the internet, there is no excuse to not question everything.

I agree with this, especially the parts in bold. It's a shame we even have adults who don't question.

Richard Dawkins' army reports for duty.

It's great how it shows the propagation of memes by imitation.

Originally Posted by psychology student

Richard Dawkins' army reports for duty.

Damn straight. Run now while you can.

There's a whole 5 part segment on this kid and others if you go to youtube. Just look up Baby Bible Bashers. Sad shit. Especially when the poor kid is crying while his dad is preaching and the kid is scared to death. The dad needs a parenting lesson.

"Evolution is basically that erhhhh man came from a ape"

I don't wanna read the newspaper on the day that kid becomes an atheist...

(RRRAAAAAAAGGGGEEEEE)

Originally Posted by Rakjavik

Damn straight. Run now while you can.

There's a whole 5 part segment on this kid and others if you go to youtube. Just look up Baby Bible Bashers. Sad shit. Especially when the poor kid is crying while his dad is preaching and the kid is scared to death. The dad needs a parenting lesson.

I wonder if that is the fathers fault, or those aggressing the father.




Also, I laugh upon the title of the thread.

Originally Posted by psychology student

I wonder if that is the fathers fault, or those aggressing the father.

Also, I laugh upon the title of the thread.

Actually, when you see the show in question, it comes across as the kid not knowing why people don't believe. Also, the kid gets beaten whilst the cameras are rolling when they are on the road, you don't see it, but when you hear a kid scream like that... ugh....

Originally Posted by psychology student

I wonder if that is the fathers fault, or those aggressing the father.

The kid keeps talking about how some people might kill him for preaching the bible. When the cops come because they're on private property, he's also very scared. In any case, it's probably a bad idea to raise your child in an atmosphere of constant fear of death.


He'd be a good Hitler though, nice rhetoric.

Originally Posted by Korittke

The kid keeps talking about how some people might kill him for preaching the bible. When the cops come because they're on private property, he's also very scared. In any case, it's probably a bad idea to raise your child in an atmosphere of constant fear of death.


He'd be a good Hitler though, nice rhetoric.

SO would it be a good idea to raise him atheist, in a country with a Christian population of 75%, and the evident stigma against it.



Bluefinger, I was referring to a specific instant; I don't know if I am talking about the same thing as you. Is there a part where they go to New York, or Chicago, nearing the end of the show, and are clearly apprehensive at the thought of it. ANd when they go there everyone is very aggressive, and there is conflict.

Originally Posted by psychology student

SO would it be a good idea to raise him atheist, in a country with a Christian population of 75%, and the evident stigma against it.

Bluefinger, I was referring to a specific instant; I don't know if I am talking about the same thing as you. Is there a part where they go to New York, or Chicago, nearing the end of the show, and are clearly apprehensive at the thought of it. ANd when they go there everyone is very aggressive, and there is conflict.

Firstly, on the first bit, I'm not sure what point you are trying to make, but that's an appeal to a majority. What Korittke is saying is that making a child growing up in constant fear (regardless of religious belief) is a bad thing.

As for the bit directed at me, yes, but the crowd was agitated by the father's actions. Also, in the other cases, as mentioned by Korittke, even though there wasn't any malice, only enforcement of law, the kid still was frightened.

Originally Posted by psychology student

SO would it be a good idea to raise him atheist, in a country with a Christian population of 75%, and the evident stigma against it.

Sure it would be. That way you could cope with fear instead of having it ingrained into you from childhood onwards and codified in the bible.

And anyhow, if you're atheist you don't really have a choice but to raise your children atheist (or purposely lie to them), so there's really no argument here.

Also, there are trains and buses.

Bluefinger, I was referring to a specific instant; I don't know if I am talking about the same thing as you. Is there a part where they go to New York, or Chicago, nearing the end of the show, and are clearly apprehensive at the thought of it. ANd when they go there everyone is very aggressive, and there is conflict.

Yes, it was very aggressive. It's simply not a situation to willfully expose your child to.

Originally Posted by psychology student

I wonder if that is the fathers fault, or those aggressing the father.

Right and they had no reason to be aggressive to the father for him preaching hate, intolerance and damnation to everyone who doesn't worship jebus. Think the kid would have been terrified if the father went there and was only preaching love and salvation? Hmm?

Originally Posted by Korittke

And anyhow, if you're atheist you don't really have a choice but to raise your children atheist (or purposely lie to them), so there's really no argument here.

I would have to disagree with you there Korittke. My wife and I have talked about how we will raise our children and we came to the consensus to just not bring up religion in any form in their upbringing, kind of like how we just won't bring up unicorns or fairies. If he/she asks about how the world came about we will tell him/her about the scientific explanation; if he/she has a friend from school say he/she is going to hell because he/she doesn't believe in god, we will explain our beliefs and that there is no such thing as hell. If he/she gets older and wants to go to church, then he/she can go.

The only potential problem here is if they become an on-fire Christian, don't know what I would do at that juncture.

^ If your kid asks you about Yaweh would you say he does/did or does/did not exist?

Leaving them hanging isn't a good thing to do to a child in any case...

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The kid is pretty articulate, but very closed up because of his idiot parents.

No doubt 89% if everything he says / knows was just shit drilled into his head.

Originally Posted by Needcatscan

I would have to disagree with you there Korittke. My wife and I have talked about how we will raise our children and we came to the consensus to just not bring up religion in any form in their upbringing, kind of like how we just won't bring up unicorns or fairies. If he/she asks about how the world came about we will tell him/her about the scientific explanation; if he/she has a friend from school say he/she is going to hell because he/she doesn't believe in god, we will explain our beliefs and that there is no such thing as hell. If he/she gets older and wants to go to church, then he/she can go.

This is atheistic upbringing. As long as you make sure they get educated in logic and philosophy there's 0.1% chance they'll turn out theistic.

Originally Posted by psychology student

Richard Dawkins' army reports for duty.

I never can tell if you honestly think the things you say.

You don't have to follow someone blindly to hold a similar opinion on a certain subject, and you don't have to completely agree with something/someone to agree with them about a specific thing.

I don't think this thread really has much to do with Richard Dawkins at all, actually; which is why I assume you are trolling. Why?

Originally Posted by Korittke

This is atheistic upbringing. As long as you make sure they get educated in logic and philosophy there's 0.1% chance they'll turn out theistic.

I wouldn't be so sure. Do you have any evidence for your statistic or are you pulling it out of your ass? This is an honest question.


Also if anyone can give me a brief sentence as to what is bad about the video. I don't have sound at the moment (or any time in the near future) perhaps two opposing interpretations? Or one un-biased one? (not likely)

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

I never can tell if you honestly think the things you say.

You don't have to follow someone blindly to hold a similar opinion on a certain subject, and you don't have to completely agree with something/someone to agree with them about a specific thing.

I don't think this thread really has much to do with Richard Dawkins at all, actually; which is why I assume you are trolling. Why?



I wouldn't be so sure. Do you have any evidence for your statistic or are you pulling it out of your ass? This is an honest question.


Also if anyone can give me a brief sentence as to what is bad about the video. I don't have sound at the moment (or any time in the near future) perhaps two opposing interpretations? Or one un-biased one? (not likely)

This child is 5 years old and his redneck, uneducated father sends him out to places like abortion clinics and such to preach the word of god. He is saying his son is divinely inspired and god called him to be a minister at 4 years old. Also in other videos, the dad talks about how he told the child that he would rot in a lake of fire and worms would eat out his eye sockets if he didn't accept Christ at 3-years-old. Another vid has him beating the kid in the back of a van behind a curtain while you heard him screaming in pain. The kid has no idea what in the world he is talking about, he only spews out the filth that is banged into him day after day. he's also homeschooled, so he gets very little interaction with anyone else except his psycho parents.

This clip is part of an interview with the child and his dad, when asked about evolution he says he's preached on it many times, then the interviewer asked him what it was, and he said people coming from monkeys, or some such nonsense. Point being, the kid has no mind of his own and every second is having Jesus, god, and hell rammed down his throat and in his head.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

I never can tell if you honestly think the things you say.

You don't have to follow someone blindly to hold a similar opinion on a certain subject, and you don't have to completely agree with something/someone to agree with them about a specific thing.

I don't think this thread really has much to do with Richard Dawkins at all, actually; which is why I assume you are trolling. Why?

He was the one who made the point (a prominent one, more than relevant to this thread) that parents in the said situation should be prosecuted for child abuse, or are as morally blameworthy as Child Abusers (in the traditional sense). This thread does not go that far, but it reminds me of the point.
Do the atheists here agree with Dawkins in this regard?

I don't agree with that point, and I will explain myself, as soon as someone tells me all the reasons why they think that the said situation is bad(Ofcourse, many of them are obvious, and many have been already said. Also, this instance is a token situation perhaps too severe to generalise.). Or once I have collated all the reasons by browsing the thread. I will use these as a starting point .