Thread: Datura and the Dream

I wouldn't touch jimson weed. I've experienced it, and so have my friends, and sir it's not a good high and no I did not have a LD. Just from one pod, while my friends did 2 to 3.

Your pupils go near the size of your colored ring around your pupils, so your eye is nearly all black in the middle. You can barely see, and half the time something happens then you look back and it's been 10-20 minutes that you don't remember at all. It's almost scarey, and yes the normal dosage and the lethal dosage are close, too close.

It's poisonious, just depends on how much of the venime your body can hold.

Oh, and did I mention that you can't see anything clearly for like half a week?

it's a very dangerous plant....can kill you or make you go blind...at least temporarily...tried it several times long ago...i don't think lucidity is one of it's properties...my conclusion was that it produces dreaming while you are awake....without the lucidity...you will experience the weirdest-ass things and they seem perfectly normal...and this is all happening while you are sitting at the kitchen table wondering if anything is going to happen....i also came to the conclusion that, unlike other psychopharmacological substances, it will steal your soul....you will never even know it...dangerous stuff...i'd avoid it...

Originally Posted by SKA

A safe and precise way to dose Datura would be to take a safe dose of seeds, between 3 and 5 Datura Inoxia seeds, and extract the alkaloids from that.

I think the point of doing a standardized extract would be so you could get predictable repeatability. Therefore for the amount of seeds, I would recommend the seeds being in the 100's rather than the amount of 1 dose. The ratio of seeds to fluid should be taken into account when dosing. Obviously you wouldn't want a concentration in which a drop or two could do you in or something difficult to measure but you also would want an amount that only allows for 1 or two doses since that would defeat the point of an extraction. The first dose is still dangerous and unpredictable so it is still necessary to start unnoticeably low and venture upward.

I would still say smoking bits and pieces is the safest introduction.

Originally Posted by Barry Howard Studio

it's a very dangerous plant....can kill you or make you go blind...at least temporarily

o good it will only kill us temporarily

uh...that was referring to the going blind part....

Hmm I haven't had Datura as an Oneirogen in a long time.
Lately my dreamrecall has been significantly increased and now it's been at a steady level for a while.

Tonight I will chew up and swallow 3 Datura Inoxia seeds some 15 to 30 minutes before sleep.

I had very deep, intricated, wild dreams, that weren't very well remembered.
Maybe I should report that I went to sleep ill (headache, coughing, sore irritated lungs, muscle aches and exhaustion) and it has lead me to sleep alot deeper than I usually do, so perhaps that had to do with my poor Dream Recall.

Still I have the sense of a night of very intense deep dreaming, too much events happened to remember it all. Also I stayed up watching TV for about an hour or 2.

I fell asleep with much more ease than I usually do, despite the fact that I was inconvenienced by illness and physical uncomfortability. I think the Datura Inoxia seeds attributed to that.

I ate two datura seeds last night.

I felt like I was literally dreaming ever second of sleep. I met Lady Datura. She picked me up and looked at me, then tossed me to the side dismissively.

I will wait a couple days and take it again.

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

I ate two datura seeds last night.

I felt like I was literally dreaming ever second of sleep. I met Lady Datura. She picked me up and looked at me, then tossed me to the side dismissively.

I will wait a couple days and take it again.

Yep that sounds much like Lady Datura indeed.


And as to the risk/benefit of Datura I'll recite an old, true saying: "The only difference between a poison and a medicine is the dose"

Originally Posted by SKA

Yep that sounds much like Lady Datura indeed.


And as to the risk/benefit of Datura I'll recite an old, true saying: "The only difference between a poison and a medicine is the dose"

So, true. I took four last night, and had another dream of her. I don't think I'll eat her again for a long while.

I ate datura seeds for the last time. Lady Datura said to me that I never need to use seeds to summon her again. I can summon her at any time I wish by thought, should I ever desire her wisdom, power and madness.

Soon ( when I sleep at normal hours again) I will try combining 3 Datura Inoxia seeds with the African Dreambean Entada Rheedii for Oneirogenesis.

I´ll keep you guys updated.

For dream recall in a concious state use Sclerotia "Atlantis" ( Psilocybe atlantis ) , 15 gram on a empty stomach would be enough - just be sure to meditate before usage so you go in with a empty head. Most mushrooms promotes concious dream recall but atlantis gave me the best result. 10 gram or (especially) 20 gram of blue stilton cheese give lucid dreams , combine a few datura seeds and eat stilton for good lucid dreaming. you can only recall dreams from the unconcious layer ; merging the concious / unconcious layer by using certain psychotropic substances /plants such as mushrooms.
mushrooms like atlantis zaps you to another reality ( in high doses ) color and light gets a blue color, you get dark green plant eyes - it's a trickster reality full of enities which would give you bad or wrong information - you need to know what's real and not real which is psychological and not ( whats physical psychological or from another reality), so only use it with a sharp keen and rested mind. Preparation is the key

Originally Posted by Lodewijkp

For dream recall in a concious state use Sclerotia "Atlantis" ( Psilocybe atlantis ) , 15 gram on a empty stomach would be enough - just be sure to meditate before usage so you go in with a empty head. Most mushrooms promotes concious dream recall but atlantis gave me the best result. 10 gram or (especially) 20 gram of blue stilton cheese give lucid dreams , combine a few datura seeds and eat stilton for good lucid dreaming. you can only recall dreams from the unconcious layer ; merging the concious / unconcious layer by using certain psychotropic substances /plants such as mushrooms.
mushrooms like atlantis zaps you to another reality ( in high doses ) color and light gets a blue color, you get dark green plant eyes - it's a trickster reality full of enities which would give you bad or wrong information - you need to know what's real and not real which is psychological and not ( whats physical psychological or from another reality), so only use it with a sharp keen and rested mind. Preparation is the key

tell us about your personal experiences.

I used every component on it's own and tried combining them later , my experiences with Psilocybe and especially Psilocybe atlantis was very peculair.
i used Psilocybe atlantis several times ... the first time was the best since the effects were new and noticable.

First time i used directly 10 grams but after reading different forums i decided i should take a additional 5 grams ( 15 grams total ) it took an hour before the effects to set in , as preparation i listened to feel-good music and tried to think of the problems i solved and positive things i did , it's important to go in positive to when using these shrooms - however my main goal was not to enhance a positive state on myself my goal was healing / soul retrieval. Few months prior i had psychological problems which i couldn't solve since they go a long time - hardwired problems , at that time i used hawaian baby woodrose seeds ( 3 seeds) and changed my state - unconcious things became concious and i could see and explore my problems. During this trip my mind gone FAST and many thoughts shoot through my head i accepting my healing and realized i resisted reality too much, my unconcious told my concious mind i couldn't solve those problems because i resisted my reality i resisted the feeling about who i really was.

I knew i could heal psychological problems by using pscychotropic/ psychoactive drugs i decided i need to look inside myself , after reading different subject about mushrooms - how they merge the subconcious and concious mind it looked perfect for me.

I wanted to look into myself - my goal was not to enhance dreaming or dreaming recall.

After meditating my mind was clearly empty - this is important because i got told that if you have concious problems then your unconcious can amplify that problems ( and vice versa) resulating in a very bad trip so i knew i should be neutral of mind. a Hour after ingestion i felt the first effects kicking in and this is where the story starts.....

First of all my eyes became tense.. like there was alot of pressure on my eyes and i could clearly feel my veins pumping alot of blood - suddenly the candles i lit turned blue of color.... all candelight was blue/purple and i enjoyed these awesome effects , the weird thing is that normal electric light was normal of color no matter the light intensity.. only candel light seem to have a different color suddenly i was questioning myself : is blue color the real color?.... which reality is real ? few minutes later i could see my own eyes .. it's hard to explain but it's like i was superconcious of my eyes and i could see pictures of my own eyes. The amplified sensetivity of my eyes lead me to believe my concious mind was multiplied , i could feel sensations i didn't feel before like there were two people in my body '' one that is hiding and one that is walking around ''. My thoughts didn't race through my head like other psychoactive drugs i actually felt very calm and could easily guide myself without any problems.

Suddenly i felt like i forgot things and mental projections started to go into my mind... i suddenly remember dreams which i never conciously remembered , i even remember dreams i've had years ago - i cannot explain how this happened or how i got into this state. i can only say my mediation prior to my trip and the use of the substance itself caused this state. i was getting thoughts about certain dreams , dreams with vampires and dreams with aliens walking into my room. suddenly i realized asking myself questions like im asking someone else is a good idea so i asked ; how can i be healed or how can i be a better person. Alot of answers which i got during the trip i didn't remember after the trip so it would be wise to write stuff down if you eveer decide to ask some good questions.

Physical state also changed , i felt very horny and energetic i had thoughts about girls who i didn't like - im not attracted to those girls but i had erotic thoughts about them. It almost felt like a ego thing - being suddenly attracted girls who are easy to get .... weird. The most weirdest were the visits to the toilet , my vision was almost if i was looking through a magnifying glass and time was passing by rather fast - walking to the toilet was like i was running and after each toilet trip i realize alot of time have past.
when i looked in the mirror my eyes turned green and the whole room started to have a greenish tint , i didn't realy have to turned my head to look it was almost if i had a certain vision before i even looked at a certain place.

My voice also changed - or my perception of my voice im not 100 % sure but i was seriously feeling like i was in wonderland like a was some dark elf or something. When i gone back into my room i suddenly could feel plants when looking at them.... i knew what problems they had and who they are , i felt their energy but again im a very sensetive person with a deep connection to nature im addicted to gardening and im fascinated by plants. i have this plant and i treated him according to the information i got during my trip - the plant even recovered ( soil was not acidic enough)

Suddenly i realized i had dreams about these girls , plants and all these situations , there was no information or state aquirement during my trip i was just reliving ( mentally ) dreams and deja vu's which i had during my sleep). ialso got deceived by certain things... i have seen ufo's in my life and i don't know if they are alien or not , ( unidentified object ) my opinion is that they are paranormal appearations but during my trip i got told that they are entities which are part of chaos , since you have balance in nature you also got choas as counterpart ( ying yang idea ... balance and chaos ) most of those entities come in alot of forms like shadows and are here to balance things by spreading choas ... even the mushrooms are part of this..... it sounds familair and a few days later it sounded like something i read before .. look for trickster on wikipedia.

since i took the shroom i didn't knew if i had entered choas or stability... but i do know the reality i was in was very alien , everything weird , i couldn't stop moving and i seemed to be switching from one reality to the original one , lightning changes etc.

after my first trip ( on atlantis mushrooms) i was completely fine, no hangover or other weird physical side effects a important note is that I ALSO LOST 90 % OF THE DREAMS I REMEMBERED DURING MY TRIP so it's important to take notes during the trip - since my goal wasn't recalling dreams at all i didn't do it at that time.
After my trip i became more sensitive to my enviroment , i started to notice things i didn't noticed before and trips or other substances were much more effective - i halved dosage of most psychedelic drugs ( even normal herbs ). im not saying you will have experience the same effects like me , experiences are variated.

BLUE STILTON CHEESE I have used blue stilton cheese , i have heard people talking about legal high in a radioshow called ''coast to coast am'' and the guest said alot of people had very vivid lucid dreams when they ate 20 grams of blue stilton cheese 30 minutes prior to sleeping. I was just curious because most people and reports told me it was quitte an effective substance for dreaming, at least 70% reported lucid dreams after one time use and 90 % experienced at least one lucid dream in 3 times of usage. i bought 60 grams from a local cheeseshop ( we have those in holland ) that evening before i went to bed i ate 20 grams of blue stilton..... and WOW... im not a fan of blue cheese but it was delicious ,i decide to eat a additional 15 grams to make sure it would take effect. lots of saturated fats lol clogging my brain arteries could also make me dream .. i mean this cheese contains lots of saturate fats. (looking back i think 20 gram is enough ). Stilton works due high levels of Tryptophane and some people said the fungus used for making the cheese having certain effects as well.

I had serious lucid dreams that night ; i dreamd that world had fallen and there were vampires or vampiric like humanoids roaming the planet killing everyone - we fought them with weapons and the movements and feelings were so real i even felt pain and fear , walking felt like walking in real life. The dream ends with me being somewhere in a pine forrest on a isolated island in canada - vampires do not go there because no people live there so i was relatively safe.

anyway blue stilton is a solid dream promoter.. the reason i switched over to certain plants and seeds is because stilton is expensive and not healthy by daily use, i've also used proteine shakes contain lots of Tryptophan but it doesn't work as well, stilton is better. however when you combine plants like datura seeds with stilton....holy shit .... it's like a instant dream inducer and if you take shroom like Psilocybe atlantis when waking up or later you have in most cases a serious dream recall session. You should however not do this every day or every week because you can have very bad dreams and bad trips and it takes a special person to endure these trips - with special i mean someone who is trained in shamanic practice , entheogenic drugs and psychotropic plants.

Since my stilton adventure i became more interested in dreams and realities and tried different substances when and before sleeping. i've tried ayuashya ( mimosta hostilis and syrian rue ) , LSA seeds like morning glory and hawaian baby woodrose and so forth and those all had healing effects but they didn't really promote dreaming on a consistent result. I used certain plants like datura because they seemed very effective on small dosage ( regarding chemistry ).

Like i said im not a newbie in plants and im experienced with a wide variety of plants - toxic or non toxic , i also do plant spirit medicine and meditations and this could be a certain factor by certain results. i am a newb in english grammer so sorry about that.
Dreams are fascinating indeed , i've had dreams about people before i even see them in real life - i had a dreams about me and my ex-girlfriend breaking up before i even had a relationship with her.... it all happened in real life months later.

I only skimmed over the thread, but that's quite a post Aquanina, thanks for sharing that. Reading trip reports of datura always hints me toward the idea that plants do in fact have a consciousness of their own. I'm considering trying it out, even if the tricks that lady datura plays seem to be a bit malevolent, she seems to enjoy teasing and toying around with those that use her seeds.

Would you do it again?

Oh awesome thanks for the link, I've heard good things about Bouncing Bear and I've been looking for a trusted vendor. I think I just found my new place for my entheogenic needs. :]

Just 3 seeds huh? That's great! Yeah I've read some horror stories about Datura on erowid too lol, but it seems that most of them took waaay too many seeds, so it's nice to know that a very low doses can be used for LDing and such. Do you just eat them moments before going to bed?

I read this Topic over again, noticing the extremely high succesrate I and others have using Datura as an Oneirogen.
I've tried Enthada Rheedi as well as African Dream Root, but both were irreliable and not very clearly active.
Datura, however, has never been disappointing as an Oneirogen.
It seems that if you overindulge Datura, she will Punish you, but when you are humble and take a shy 3 to 5 seeds, she will help you in all sorts of spiritual practice which includes Lucid Dreaming )


It has made me decide to crush 3 Datura Innoxia seeds, mix them through my Tea and drink them up some 20 to 40 minutes before I go to bed.


Remember people: 5 seeds can be surprisingly active; more than comfortable even. Don't ever take more. In fact 3 seeds are the ideal number. There are known cases of people who took a mere 15 seeds and had a disastrous, frightfull delirant experience that lasted almost 2 full days. I guess if you take 15 seeds that are all abnormally potent you just may be so unlucky to slip over the threshhold into this dreadfull state. 3 Seeds and no more.

I'm really interested in ordering a few seeds after my unsuccessful attempts with silene capensis, but I'm wondering what type/strain of datura is best for LDing. Innoxia seems to be the most common but theres also ferox, metel, and a few others, does anyone happen to know the difference among them?

edit: Nevermind, I should've payed more attention to the thread, seems like inoxia is the way to go.

Those 3 seeds appeared to be very potent. Quite psychoactive. I was too awake to sleep for hours, but when I did finally dose off I indeed had very vivid and noticably more memorable dreams.
It was a peculiar state that balanced very finely in the dead center between Waking and Sleeping & Dreaming.
I was just a tad bit too active to allow me to sleep on it, but it's this strange deeply calm and entranced, yet vividly awake feeling that indeed is very helpfull in making us experience dreams alot more consciously than usual.

Next time I will try putting only 2 seeds in my Tea. If that proves too active, I'll reduce it all to 1 seed. But I won't be taking it again for a while.
I'm still feeling the subtile activity slowly comming to an end as I write this. I suppose it could affect my dreams tonight very much.

Please be very careful with Datura. A friendly word of advice would be to carefully review the Erowid vault (link) on this one. Some of the posted experiences are quite hefty. I've heard of this one for quite a many years, but have strongly avoided it due to some of the reported ill effects.

Originally Posted by anderj101

Please be very careful with Datura. A friendly word of advice would be to carefully review the Erowid vault (link) on this one. Some of the posted experiences are quite hefty. I've heard of this one for quite a many years, but have strongly avoided it due to some of the reported ill effects.

Yes I have Reviewed the Erowid Vault of Datura extensively. Based on the experience reports on Erowid's Datura vault I have decided that 3 seeds is a safe dose and oughta be the maximum.
Last night I had vivid, mystical and memorable dreams again.

I'm thinking of making Oneirogenic Tea mixes and D.Inoxia seeds will defenitely be in it.
A Tea strained off of 1 large D.Inoxia seed & the cap of 1 small magic mushroom seems like a well Oneirogenic mix.
If this proves too psychoactive to allow sleep I will lower the dose, untill sleep is possible, yet the wakefullness persists beyond sleep and is caried into Dreams.

A Tea from 1 D.Inoxia seed and a very low dose of Banistereopsis Caapi vine seems like a proper Oneirogenic combination as well.
But whenever ingesting any amount of Caapi( because it contains MAOI's) I should first follow at least a 1 day MAOI -diet.

I have never experienced Mescaline, allthough I have a San Pedro cactus growing. Perhaps it could also have the same Oneirogenic properties as most Psychedelic substances are known to have.
Perhaps anyone here who has experienced Mescaline, pure or in cacti form, perhaps they can tell if it has the same calm yet wakefull effect and wether it would be suitable, in low doses, as an Oneirogen?

SKA may I ask where you got your innoxia seeds? I can't seem to find any entheogen vendors that sell datura except for bouncingbear, but they only sell ferox and metel seeds. I figure I could use ferox in 3 seed doses as Aquanina suggested (um, before she removed her posts), but I'm not too familiar with the difference between these different strains, so I dunno.

Don't bother Entheogen vendors; Go to your local plant/flower/garden store and you are likely to run into one of the Datura varieties there.
Their availability may depend on season: Here they are only sold in summer, because they won't grow here during the harsh Dutch winters anywayz. Make sure you study the appearance of Datura. When you know it's shape, colors, size and overall appearance I'm sure you'll start noticing them all around you: In stores, in public parks, in malls, on schoolcampuses...They are planted everywhere, because they're beautyfull off course.

Funny thing is that one day while going home, walking down my street, I found them being sold at a flower/gardenshop in my street.
I got Datura Inoxia, variety Fastuosa; Purple, triple flowered. This one exactly: