Thread: New Novadreamer...

You beat me to it Alex.
No mention of price or when it will be available yet though, or even what's different about it.

Anyone want to make some outrages guesses on what this damn thing is going to cost. Man they are going bank$ bigtime. Looking at the past people will pay for lucidity.

My votes $899

Originally Posted by phoenelai

My votes $899

:-D. They didn't say anything about improving the price, did they?
$899 is unrealistic, but it is interesting what people are willing to pay.

In terms of parts I'd have thought they're cheap enough to make, but I bet R&D and the small runs mean they don't make that much of a profit.

No more than 50%, that is .

Hey, it's a free market! They make the good product, they get the $. There isn't a better product AFAIK.

It seems like when they know something will sell; the put a nice price tag on it. Although the Nova Dreamer has a great reputation for it's well made product (best on the market). At least people will feel they are getting their moneys worth! I have an issue with wearing a circuit board on my face. Can't sleep on my side (had the DreamMaker). I hope they streamline the mask and get the circuit board off the mask only using the essentials (such as the LEDS and the sensors) I know thats a big wish, but I like to keep wishing for that one, heheh.

I think the right price point is $199, which I believe should be the sweet spot intersection of supply and demand. Price too high and a lot of people will not buy, no matter how much it appeals.

I think the more interesting question is what new features it will have, and if it will interface with computers via USB.

If they dont put an interface such as Nova Dreamer where you can track your queues(software) that would be really stupid. The did it before.

I am excited for this! I can't wait to see what new features they have implemented, and, depending on the price, will definitely consider buying one.

Is anyone here going to this conference? It would be great to read a first-hand review of someone who is there to give us the info early (i'm sure the hotel has wireless internet... bring a laptop and create a blog!)!

Originally Posted by brumans

I am excited for this! I can't wait to see what new features they have implemented, and, depending on the price, will definitely consider buying one.

I have the original NovaDreamer so I'm excited to see the new features as well. If it looks promising, I too will seriously consider buying one.

Originally Posted by Clairity

I have the original NovaDreamer so I'm excited to see the new features as well. If it looks promising, I too will seriously consider buying one.

Clarity since you have one. What kinda changes are you looking for? Comfort, better queues etc? Let us know please!

Originally Posted by phoenelai

Clarity since you have one. What kinda changes are you looking for? Comfort, better queues etc? Let us know please!

Comfort would be nice.. I didn't find it all that heavy but since I'm a "side" sleeper.. it would be nice if it would be more comfortable in that respect.

It would be REALLY GREAT if there were DIFFERENT color flashing lights!! After awhile I no longer saw the white flashing lights (or just incorporated them into my dreams). I would love it if you had a choice of maybe white, green, red, yellow and blue lights (and had the option of picking any combination of them to flash).

Since the old one allowed you to pick the number of queues and the intensity of the lights or whether or not you wanted beeps along with the lights.. I'm not sure what other queues to add. I mean a voice queue (either pre-recorded or your own) would be great (I used to have that with the separate feature "Dream Speaker") but I'm not sure how much that would raise the price.

Originally Posted by Clairity

Comfort would be nice.. I didn't find it all that heavy but since I'm a "side" sleeper.. it would be nice if it would be more comfortable in that respect.

It would be REALLY GREAT if there were DIFFERENT color flashing lights!! After awhile I no longer saw the white flashing lights (or just incorporated them into my dreams). I would love it if you had a choice of maybe white, green, red, yellow and blue lights (and had the option of picking any combination of them to flash).

Since the old one allowed you to pick the number of queues and the intensity of the lights or whether or not you wanted beeps along with the lights.. I'm not sure what other queues to add. I mean a voice queue (either pre-recorded or your own) would be great (I used to have that with the separate feature "Dream Speaker") but I'm not sure how much that would raise the price.

Thanks! It's good to hear product reviews when people have actually owned them. I think the coolest thing that could happen to lucid dream mask is again if the circuit board was in its own box attached by cable or what ever and you really had a soft comfortable sleep mask with the LED's and the sensors. I tried sleeping with DreamMaker and had a pretty hardtime and the mask itself was pretty comfortable. Still had issues with it being a side sleeper myself.

They could place the LEDs in an external emission box and transfer light via fiber optic cabling to reduce bulk. Nothing expensive but we probably won't see it done.

My take on these is this: RIP OFF

Really, no matter how you butter it up, it's a device with the complexity of your average childs toy at Wal-Mart. LEDs, sensors, big whooptie do's. You can buy a 20" LCD monitor for $200 bucks for crying out loud, now lets compare internal parts lists between the two...

Anyone who looks at parts cost on anything they incorporate knows these things are made for pennies on the dollar and then jacked up. I can't see there being some huge setup costs, it's an automated process and there aren't parts being machined, so no hefty production molds being made. I don't condone you for paying this price, I just know if consumers were actually educated they wouldn't be thinking about handing their money away so easily and prices would then drop.

Can anyone sew? Can you solder as well? I don't think any sensors are needed to make the principle work. They are just helping you time it right into REM as they say.

You could take a standard white sleep mask and open it up (I say white because it allows the light to transfer through more easily), and basically place some LEDs of your choice color inside and glue them or sew them in place. Run your small gauge wire out of the mask, pad with a small amount of cotton, and stitch back up. Place some correct resistors (maybe 1-10k ohm, or use a dial potentiometer) on the external connection wire so you don't overfeed your LEDs, and use a male stereo plug for your power connection. All of which is available at Radioshack for about $5 together.

Now you have a dream mask which uses an audio output from a laptop or PC as its signal feed. You then simply find audio which has solid tone lengths in the intervals you want, or create your own. This creates the flashing patterns and brightness which will occur based upon volume setting.

If you ask me, it's worth the $5-10 bucks to try before spending $200 on something that might not help you any more.

At this point we can say that the new device will offer improvements in features, function, comfort, and effectiveness.

Sounds like a minor facelift of the original ND. I'd expect to see a new infrared sensor design to more accurately detect REM, smaller soft circuit board, USB connection for the SuperNova software, and possibly a more complex sound output. The biggest issue with the ND was (dis)comfort and ergonomic effeciency, considering mine fell off everytime I used it (medical fabric tape comes in handy).

I still use my NovaDreamer. Not all the time as my brain just tunes it out then.
I have made some of my own adaptations to it but I'd still like a better one.
The new features I'd like to see are: The option to record your own voice cue, combined with soft miniture piezo-electric speakers sewn into the headband where it goes over the ears.
The option to have gradually increasing brightness of flashes, The option of a vibration cue, better fitting mask that shuts out all light and pc interface as standard.

Originally Posted by Vortex

The option to have gradually increasing brightness of flashes, The option of a vibration cue, better fitting mask that shuts out all light and pc interface as standard.

Ooooh, a vibration cue.. now that would be interesting! I wonder how well that would work.. having your face/head vibrating?

Originally Posted by Clairity

Ooooh, a vibration cue.. now that would be interesting! I wonder how well that would work.. having your face/head vibrating?

That might be kinda jarring for me personally! I had a vibrating wrist watch (alarm), I slept right through that although. I'd like to less items on the mask (LED's if any). Lets get that thing really comfortable for side sleepers.

I've been meaning to try it out with one of those little vibrating motors that they use in mobile phones. I think on the forehead - third eye would be the spot, but it's a busy time of year for me and I'll probably leave it until the winter when I can do it properly. I tried using one of the vibrating watches on my arm and ankle but I slept though it every time, so on the forehead might be just enough to get through.
The problem with all these things is the brain is very good at tuning them out pretty quickly.

Originally Posted by Clairity

Ooooh, a vibration cue.. now that would be interesting! I wonder how well that would work.. having your face/head vibrating?

Not too well actually. Remember that the inactivity of the thalamus greatly inhibits sensory perception during REM, so considering that touch is a very quantitative sense (as opposed to vision and hearing, very qualitative) there is little cue for the subconscious to interpret.

Look at the work Rich (et al) did under Dr LaBerge at Stanford during the late 80's. It's on the lucidity.com website

Yeah, I'm familiar with it and with Keith Hearne's work from the 80's in the UK, where he used electric shocks as the cue. I just like experimenting on myself as we are all different.

Hi. I'm new to this Forum - so greetings all!!

I still have the 'old' Novadreamer and use it every second day or so with outstanding results. It's such a simple comcept and works brilliantly (once you get used to wearing it without throwing it off mid-sleep). The simple methods are always the better ones.

I can't wait to see the new Nova Dreamer II - I have no idea how they can improve upon the first - maybe it will be more sensitive to the circadian rythym of our bodies or maybe it simply will come with some cool software so we can use it in conjuction with an Mp3 player in order to combine the Binaural tracks with the cues given (so the binaural tracks start once we achieve REM sleep).

Stephen Laberge completely changed my sleeping life. Im trying to get my act together to go to Hawai in 08... fingers crossed...

Stay Lucid....

For anyone that has bought this, on any given day what are the chances of becoming lucid once you've adjusted the settings?

It worked the first time I wore it and then sporadically after that.. but then I wasn't religious about doing reality checks everytime I saw "lights", etc.

Here's another one of the many threads regarding the NovaDreamer:

http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ht=novadreamer

I find that when I have a good intention to Dream Lucidly and I use the MILD technique then I will invariably have a lucid Dream when wearing the Novadreamer.

The main obstacle is getting comfortable when wearing it and not taking it off mid-sleep.

By the way - I'm selling one (I bought one for myself and had one bought for me by my father) Anyone interested then message me.

Dan
Australia

I'm not sure what the Novadreamer is, but I assume it is something that you wear over your face (sort of like the DreamLight that it talks about in ETWOLD.) I don't think I'll ever use anything like that, because it seems sort of uncomfortable. (And a bit unsafe, too, if you ask me.)