Thread: possible brainwave combination

And if anyone tried this on a program like BWGen or SBaGen, then I want to hear about their results too.

Originally Posted by gagaku

And if anyone tried this on a program like BWGen or SBaGen, then I want to hear about their results too.

I tried BWGen, i used the method listed on the post for creating your own, i fell asleep listening to it and thouhg i did not get a lucid dream from listening to it, i woke up in the middle of the night to turn it off and when i layed back down i attempted a WILD and i easily went through SP in less than 5 minutes and straight into being lucid without losing conciousness, i just rolled my head over and opened my eyes and knew i was in a dream.

So i would recommend it.

Originally Posted by gagaku

I found a combination of brainwave entrainment frequencies that seem to put me in a dreamlike state, and they just may help with LDing. The frequencies are 2.5, 4, 8, and just a little bit of 37Hz.

...and a pinch of Paprika?

with a dash of epson salt too

with BWGen put 2.5 & 4 hz around 95% amplitude, 8 @ 100%, and 37 at a low amplitude around 20-30%

Originally Posted by gagaku

with BWGen put 2.5 & 4 hz around 95% amplitude, 8 @ 100%, and 37 at a low amplitude around 20-30%

but don't forget the Tabasco sauce.

These frequencies seem spot on. How did you come up with them? You even have 10Hz through the 2.5Hz component (important for consciousness) and the fundamental 4Hz (which also pushes dreaming at 8Hz).

37Hz is close to 40Hz main gamma but you set it lower... to not interfere with 2.5 & 4 Hz at the higher frequencies? For some reason 7.8 or something like that could be better for REM. Did you try Schumann instead of 8Hz?

You set the gamma to low volume which is good. The intensity profile can make or break the whole construction. Is it truly experimental or are you studying this stuff? I'm very impressed.

Originally Posted by gagaku

I found a combination of brainwave entrainment frequencies that seem to put me in a dreamlike state, and they just may help with LDing. The frequencies are 2.5, 4, 8, and just a little bit of 37Hz. It also seems to help with a clicking going on at 8hz. If anyone is interested (and if I could figure out how to send them) I could make 30minute .wav files for each If someone could mix them together and perhaps add a guiding voice to it for me.

Interesting post gagaku. Did you make this file by combining all of these frequencies together at the same time?

I've tried most of these frequencies alone and found that 2.5 to 4 can result in very vivid dreams, but have never tried all of them together.

Anything like this that puts a person in a dreamlike state would be helpful in lucid dreaming, and would be especially beneficial for entering a WILD with.

I came across these frequencies by a combination of research on the internet and finding out what seems to work in my spare time. I only tried it during a couple naps, but I got close to REM sleep (considering that I am not used to naps). I think it might be more helpful if I were to burn it onto a CD before listening to it at night and if I combined it with clicking at 8hz (or if you are going to replace the binaural beats @ 8hz w/ Schumann frequency then 7.83hz is the right frequency for the clicking too).
Yes, all of the frequencies are played at once. Acording to my research, 2.5 and 38hz both stimulate natural pain killers, but I noticed that they also help induce a trance (although for that I think that 37 hz has a stronger effect on me). 4hz, which is very close to delta is a frequency often used for asteral projection and lucid dreaming. I also used 8hz because it is on the border between alpa and theta, so it will help one stay aware, while having vivid mental images. when playing more then one frequncy I prefer to keep the carriers at least 150hz apart to prevent interfearance, and to keep them all below 1000hz (or they say it won't work).

P.S. I'm not studying this, its only ameture (if that's the word for it) experimentation. I do think I need to post what works though, since it might be worth it for them to try it. I do plan on testing it myself during WBTB eventually.

Thanks for the reply gagaku,

I'll test this myself when I get time to make up a file. I have a lot of different programs that I use to mix files with, the main one being Neuro-Programmer 2 Professional, which allows me to make up and mix binaural beats with music files, and text-to-speech files with suggestions, or suggestions that I record myself.

So I'll give try it out when I get the time.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this.

If you do mix it all together and add use a voice to guide the listener than I would I would like to be able to get a copy of the sound file since I don't have the software to mix sounds together on my computer. When you make it could you please put it somewhere and put a link to it for people who are interested in it to download? I think it would also help a lot if it started out with deep relaxation instructions to help the listener get closer (if not into) the hypnogogic state, and after that lower the volume of the speech a little bit for the lucid dreaming suggestions. If you want you can also emmbed some of these commands into the relaxation part at the beggining to put the idea in the listeners mind early on in the sound file.

Originally Posted by gagaku

If you do mix it all together and add use a voice to guide the listener than I would I would like to be able to get a copy of the sound file since I don't have the software to mix sounds together on my computer. When you make it could you please put it somewhere and put a link to it for people who are interested in it to download? I think it would also help a lot if it started out with deep relaxation instructions to help the listener get closer (if not into) the hypnogogic state, and after that lower the volume of the speech a little bit for the lucid dreaming suggestions. If you want you can also emmbed some of these commands into the relaxation part at the beggining to put the idea in the listeners mind early on in the sound file.

I have a mixer. If you put it on this thread to download I will adjust it how you like.
For example if you want it repeated for like 4 hours or something.
I like having 4 hours silence before it starts to get good sleep and get it to start during and through REM. Thats just me though.
I can add silence and all sorts. just be specific and no MHz stuff and techo jargin, just the length and time breakdown.
Just saying.

First I need to find out how and where to upload the sound files to the internet so I can post them.

Originally Posted by gagaku

First I need to find out how and where to upload the sound files to the internet so I can post them.

http://rapidshare.com/

Just upload and copy the URL link to this thread after its loaded.

Ask if you need any help.

It will be a while before I am able to upload it right now since the files are on my laptop, and I am unable to hook it up to the internet now that the family pc is finnaly able to get on the web. Iadr might be able to post it though, since Iadr was trying it.If I do get around to posting it, it was intended to be started with WBTB, so 4 hours of silence won't be neccisary. Although you could make a version with 4 hours, ten minutes will suffice. I only have the binaurals and the clicking anyway, so someone else will have to come up with the verbal suggestions if they will be put in there.

Originally Posted by gagaku

And if anyone tried this on a program like BWGen or SBaGen, then I want to hear about their results too.

I set up a Bwgen preset with
2.5 at 95% volume
4 at 95% volume
8 at 100% volume
37 at 20% volume
to listen to around midday, to see if it would work for a nap.

I set it to run for 30 minutes while I did some deep breathing, with a little reverse blinking. At about 20 minutes in, I started to feel sleepy. I stopped the breathing and blinking and laid down on my back, which is an unusual position for me. What felt like 5 minutes later, I started seeing some HI, and also felt a jolt.

I, in my undying excitement, thought this was the infamous consciousness shift everyone talks about. Turns out, it was just the beginnings of a WILD. This is further than I have ever gotten with a WILD before, so I will definitely be playing with this some more.

I was surprised at how long it took the binaurals to work, when I listen to things like the lucid subliminals, I am tired only 5 minutes in. It may have something to do with the fact that the sound kept skipping whenever my computer went to screen saver.

I would add some 60bpm music to it, I heard that it helps relax the listener.

Originally Posted by oubaseballd3

I tried BWGen, i used the method listed on the post for creating your own, i fell asleep listening to it and thouhg i did not get a lucid dream from listening to it, i woke up in the middle of the night to turn it off and when i layed back down i attempted a WILD and i easily went through SP in less than 5 minutes and straight into being lucid without losing conciousness, i just rolled my head over and opened my eyes and knew i was in a dream.

So i would recommend it.

Sounds awesome!

Thank you Licity for documenting your results so well. If you want relaxing music, then I recomend Gregorian chants. Maybe you could lower the amplitude of the 37hz to 10%, and try that. Thank you everyone who has or wants to try this for themselves!

These programs that people use to create frequencies sound fun, but in my opinion binaural beats are too complex of a science to be able to create efficient tracks with a simple software. I mean, inducing a specific altered state of conciousness in your brain using frequencies can´t be that easy.

Originally Posted by davis44

These programs that people use to create frequencies sound fun, but in my opinion binaural beats are too complex of a science to be able to create efficient tracks with a simple software. I mean, inducing a specific altered state of conciousness in your brain using frequencies can´t be that easy.

Keeping your extremely complex biological vessel running is also a complicated and advanced science, but it's nothing more than taking a walk in your garden and eat some green stuff and drink transparent liquids.'



Anyway, I'm getting a bit into BWG again now, and I'll see if I can make a track like you say.

edit: how do you make clickings :s?

You don't need to have the clicking. I used an enveloping program and sound above 1000 hz (so it doesn't interfere with the binaural frequencies) to make the clicking. Since it uses the number of seconds for each repetition on the enveloping program I set it to repeat eight times a second (0.125 seconds). Just play the outputted file while using the BW entrainment program.

Here's what I've made.

Does it look right?

This is a version in .mp3. It's about 9MB.

I checked the sequence in Audacity, and it looks like I did it right. Enjoy

So I tried my own file here mixed with some light music. I fell asleep easily, but I didn't experience that much of a difference. I think I had more dreams than I usually would. Could somebody please confirm if I made the file right, perhaps upload something?