Thread: salvia?

While you're searching for my silene capensis post, search on my Salvia posts - I have written many. In my humble opinion, salvia is THE best drug as far as obtaining lucidity is concerned but for very indirect reasons.

The internet is full of sites. A reasonable price for 10 grams of a STANDARDIZED extract, is about $300.00. You get what you pay for. Realizing results can be tricky, read www.sagewisdom.org in detail especially the link on getting results via smoking.

You do not use this like pot, they are completely different drugs with completely different characteristics.

Point of clarity. 10 grams of a 20X for $300.00. If I recall, that translates to 72 mg of salvinorin A per gram of smokable material

Originally Posted by DrTechnical

While you're searching for my silene capensis post, search on my Salvia posts - I have written many. In my humble opinion, salvia is THE best drug as far as obtaining lucidity is concerned but for very indirect reasons.

The internet is full of sites. A reasonable price for 10 grams of a STANDARDIZED extract, is about $300.00. You get what you pay for. Realizing results can be tricky, read www.sagewisdom.org in detail especially the link on getting results via smoking.

You do not use this like pot, they are completely different drugs with completely different characteristics.

So I probably would be getting a good deal then. It was around about a few spoonfulls.

Not necessarily. Is it standardized? And if so, how many mg of salvinorin A per gram? I have explained this many times to people, if you start with crappy salvia in the first place, then an extraction of Salvinorin A will not necessarily lead to a super powerful result.

Unless the guy at the head shop in question can pretty much assure you what you're getting, I would stick to a reputable internet dealer. PM me if you want my suggestion.

Reputable, but a rip-off. If you want it in bulk, buy straight from the grower/source in Mexico, if you want to sample a little, buy from a reputable enthobotanical vendor, whether on eBay or their own sites.

To me, that sounds extremely disgusting...

Edit: LOL! ROFL! Oops, I thought you said saliva! Never mind...

ugh, let's clear up a few things about salvia.

Firstly - do NOT buy salvia from a headshop. They WILL rip you off. If it's by a name brand of Purple Sticky, it has additives that will not be good for you.

Secondly - if you're looking to buy some, go ahead and stop on over at http://bouncingbearbotanicals.com - buy some of the 20x extract.

Dosing? - you only need about .1-.2 grams of salvia for a dose. You NEED a butane lighter (torch lighter, the storm resistant, blue flame lighters). You also must have a bong, since you have to smoke the entire .1-.2 grams in one hit.

1) fill your bong with the salvia (.1 grams is about half of a standard metal bowl)
2) torch the salvia with your butane lighter and fill the bong chamber.
3) take your mouth off the bong and cover the top so the smoke cannot escape.
4) breath all the way out and then breath all of the smoke in.
5) hold the smoke in your lungs for 30 seconds (or as long as you can).
6) enjoy your trip.

I have had some messed up experiences with salvia, and you will KNOW when you break through. The last time I did it, I thought I was trapped inside of a flip book and ended up running 3/4s of a mile in my socks at 3:30 am. Good luck!

Salvia eh? 20X extract, even as a first-timer?

Also, your bong-usage description.. Is just the general way to use a bong, nothing Salvia specific. But yeah. You DO need a bong.

Originally Posted by Siletra

I have had some messed up experiences with salvia, and you will KNOW when you break through. The last time I did it, I thought I was trapped inside of a flip book and ended up running 3/4s of a mile in my socks at 3:30 am. Good luck!

that is horrifying. What if I half-assed your technique with maybe a smaller dosage? If I were to try salvia I would certainly want to start off with as low a dosage as I could that would still make me trip. Does that work or is it all in or nothing?

You don't "NEED" a bong a pipe will do I have done it out of a pipe with much success however I will agree that if you have the choice between a bong and a pipe I would definately use the bong. What Siletra is the exact procedure for success.

If you have a pipe just torch it and keep breathing in until you can't anymore and hold for as long as you can.

Depends on the amount of salvia if you don't do the extract it's kind of like being high but doesn't last a long time. If you do the extract it is "Very Intense".

I'd like an intense, hallucinating trip (well, the trip doesn't have to hallucinate, but I would like to). I've never tried Salvia, though I am quite.. *ahem*, acquainted with weed. What extract would you recommend to a first-timer?

I did the normal stuff the first time and then the second time my friend was like "Yo hit this" turned out to be 15x and I tripped balls for like 5 minutes. I think any extract is fucking ridiculous 15x did me good.

I've never seen 15X extract being sold, just 5/10/20. So I guess 20 should be fine.

I'm saying 20x because you don't need to use as much. You'll still have the same exact intensity if you use twice as much 10x. It's just more cost effective, haha. Ok, so, there are several layers to a salvia trip.

Subtle effects
Altered perception
Light visionary state
Vivid visionary state (Breakthrough)
Immaterial existence (Ego-Death)
Amnesic effects. (Overdose)

Each one of these is a different layer. If you don't have enough/don't use a torch lighter, you won't breakthrough. The step between L and V (breakthrough) is INSANE, and there is no way that you can prep yourself for it. So saying things like "oh, is that ok for a beginner?" Think of it like sky diving. You don't just jump 10 feet, and then 20 feet, and then work your way up to jumping out of an airplane. You just jump. There is no prepping yourself for this kindof trip. You either breakthrough or you don't.

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Oh yeah, as for the bong tech, I wouldn't compare that to exactly normal bong tech, seeing as though I would never hold weed in my lungs for 30 seconds. 2-3 is PLENTY.

I think it's a good idea to use a quality (standardized) product to insure a breakthrough experience the first time around. I would encourage you to go to www.sagewisdom.org and read on safety and usage, especially the link on acheiving results via smoking.

Just remember, lay on your back, close your eyes and enjoy. Don't walk around, don't be near a window, etc ...

Also, let us not forget why we're at this site. I think Salvia has obvious appllications to lucid dreaming, though most don't seem to appreciate this point. I have written on this topic in some detail on this site. You can search my posts.

Yeah, except for the holding in part. But that isn't part of using the bong, is it? Your lungs absorb all THC in about 2 seconds. I usually keep it in like 3, just to be sure (and because I like holding it in, then letting it stream out like a reverse waterfall, very slowly).

i agree with the nothing can prepare you. also it may take 2-3 times before you break through. I bought Salvia Zone (beyond) from the gas station. It was 20 bucks for a half g. Very cool the trip is fairly short.

Where are these posts located that relate to salvia and lucid dreaming? I'd like to read about this. I can't imagine how it helps, since the effect diminishes so quickly, unless it has to do with after-effects.

I'll add a little insight of my own here for anyone who has not been successful in experiencing salvia.

Just pure leaves, not even extract, can take you to the point of nearly being frightened. You have to be someone who can take a very large bong hit and not cough, which is hard for an average person. It would take a full bowl of the leaves to be utilized in the hit to give me full effect. Like 0.3g I would say minimum.

The first time I heard about this stuff, a buddy offered it to me, before all the hype was ever around. I doubted its potential, being legal.

He told me I would have to come down in his basement at home, sit down on the couch, and clear a bong full. He was right, there is no way you should do this in public.

After about 15 seconds of holding it in, everything tingled crazily and I literally burst into another realm of reality. Almost complete confusion and disbelieve. It felt like I had entered a dream-like state, and as if my nerves had taken on a totally different perception. It leaves you sitting there almost dull, as you ponder the reality that something like this actually exists legally.

Most of my buddies tried the leaves from a bong, and felt nothing. But I can assure you it is all in your lung capacity. They had to use the 20x extract, which isn't cheap, but that stuff is almost scary what I see it do to people.

I notice that it makes you want to attach to objects, or push up against a wall etc. When I tried it I was sitting down, and when the effect faded I thought that I was standing up and about to fall over - I had to realize again that I was truely sitting down.

While I bet there is people smoking this stuff like it is pot, it really does scare me. Don't get me wrong, it is great in the moment of the high, but everything there after leaves you feeling like you have been degraded mentally.

I have seen people run out the door like something was going to kill them, drooling all over themselves. These are not people who like to mess around joking with the sort of thing either.

All I can say is that I would use this stuff sparingly, it is new and not much research has been able to be documented. Anyone who has tried it knows it has to be doing something fairly intense to your brain.

Yes, I wouldn't walk around on Salvia. Take your hit(s), lie down, and don't get up till it's over - that includes time to simply contemplate what you just experienced.

I have written many posts on Salvia and lucid dreaming. It's the after effects that are of interest. Search for my posts.

BTW Gov Rod is about to sign a bill that the Illinois house and senate have passed and Salvia and it's derivatives will be illegal in Illinois 1/1/08 - sorry for the bad news.

Re-iterating DrTechnical's post, sagewisdom.org has a lot of good information on Salvia and its usage, particularly this page: http://www.sagewisdom.org/usersguide.html

I got myself some 10x unstandardized (I'm poor, what can I say) and tried some in a small pipe for the first time. I only got to the "A" stage, but even that early on its a f*cking mindjob, and even then it makes you want to do some crazy shit, for me anyway -- I was up on a high wooden deck and I got that "I've got to get the hell out of here" feeling, and it was all I could do to convince myself not to try and jump off the side!

Best advice I can give is do NOT try this stuff without a sitter you trust, unless you've got balls of steel or plenty of experience with it.

Other than that, it's great!

Originally Posted by DrTechnical

BTW Gov Rod is about to sign a bill that the Illinois house and senate have passed and Salvia and it's derivatives will be illegal in Illinois 1/1/08 - sorry for the bad news.

Ah about all I can say is fuck that moron. He's the worst piece of Just-For-Men wearing shit that has ever happened to this state. But then again living in IL sucks alltogether with Cook county even existing...they seem to ruin everything for the rest of us. I really do need to get out of IL.

Time to stock up it sounds...