Why do people think LD is bad?

[Osmodin]

My mother and I had an argument this morning about my new favorite hobby lucid dreaming. Mom keeps telling me that its not real, as if I am delusional. I keep trying to tell mom that I dont care if its real or not, that I just care about the experience. Mom of course thinks this is dumb and the begining of delusional thinking. Mom keeps saying its not real, "If I dream that I am rich I wont wake up rich." is her favorite. Mom just doesnt get why I do it. I feel like i am the only one who does. I still remember telling some stranger i met at school about it. She was a teacher and of course she was concerned if i was taking "stuff" for it. Why do people think lucid dreaming is harmful and why dont they understand doing something for the expereince reguardless of if its real or not? Its like people automatically think anything outside of the "norm" is bad and "aught not to be done." Mom I told mom that other people do it to and she just said that anyone who would put effort into a "not real" dream needs help. I guess ill just keep doing as usual because I have actually done it and know i am not delusional.

[celestialelixir]

One question: Is your mom religious?

[HoC]

If you can see the difference between reality and a dream, then there's nothing wrong with it. Might as well be saying that just liking a normal dream is bad and delusional because it's not real. I suppose religion can come into why people think it's bad, as lucid dreaming can give god like abilities to people while dreaming. Another reason why people might think it's bad is because they've never done it or don't understand it, people fear the unknown and what they don't understand.

[Wristblade56]

I have similar issues. my mom has nightmares almost every single night, and it puts her in a bad mood for the whole entire day. i've told her about lucid dreaming and have been trying to get her to try it, and she won't. when i first told her about it, whenever i talked about it around her, she would tell me to "be careful". she's religious but so am i, i guess she thinks it's occult related or something. also my best friend keeps telling me it's "girly" to lucid dream. "girls talk about dreams, guys talk about guy stuff" is one of the phrases he says often when i bring it up around him.

[Osmodin]

Mom is not religiouse.

[Solarflare]

One question: Is your mom religious? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL anyways some people just don't understand or don't believe lucid dreaming. its real but either they just dont believe it or they dont give a horses butt. i think people like that have no creativity whatsoever. You cant make them understand :/

[Osmodin]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL anyways some people just don't understand or don't believe lucid dreaming. its real but either they just dont believe it or they dont give a horses butt. i think people like that have no creativity whatsoever. You cant make them understand :/ Your right. That and people just like to play video games instead because it is easyer. To me LDing is like a video game only its harder to log in and harder to learn. Also its better. To me tho it seems like alot of people especially "proffessionals" think that temporarally escapeing reality is "delusional." Tho it might concern people like mom because I like it more than food and almost more then life.

[Puffin]

Some people don't appreciate creativity and imagination. And some simply just don't understand the benefits of lucid dreaming, because they are unfamiliar with it and are too quick to judge what they believe it is. They're too grounded into the real world to realize that there's something else out there, practically right under their noses.

[Solarflare]

yeah, just like if i told my dad he would be like YOU ARE TO MUCH IN A FANTASY WORLD!!! Too much video games, to much fantasy books! WATCH THE NEWS OR read non-fiction books, OR DO MATH!! MATH??? MATH??????? NEVER!!!!!!

[mooseantlers]

my mom doesn't believe its true, but she's fine with it. If its that big of a deal then its best not to talk to her about it and just, well, dream on!

[Puffin]

my mom doesn't believe its true, but she's fine with it. If its that big of a deal then its best not to talk to her about it and just, well, dream on! She's probably had an LD before, but just didn't remember having it.

[Wristblade56]

yeah, not like anyone can stop you, the only way to stop you is to kill you or keep you from sleeping. the only thing anyone can really do is keep you from using lucid aids. i think this is the reason lucid dreaming is kind of an underground thing. too many people pass it off as occult-related or girly or sleep-depriving or even non-existant and don't bother researching it or passing it on. i say it's their loss. if they are too ignorant to look into one of the most amazing things the human race is capable of, then they don't have to have it.

[pointofbeing]

"She was a teacher and of course she was concerned if i was taking "stuff" for it" Back in the day, when we had a real sociology class, lucid dreaming was a topic for a week, we learned about old science and how it had developed into real science. Now you get Head happy people who just want to throw numbers at you, rinse repeat, and make sure to show your diploma to wall mart.

[Taffy]

She doesn't believe it's real? did you show her DV? Cause if its fake then theres thousands of delusional people here.

[Osmodin]

I think moms main thing is that she is pissed in the real world and cant imagine a simulated world as fun. Thats why she hate video games to. I am begining to think that the nut cases out there that are really delusional that happen to do stuff like this make the rest of us look bad. Also mom fears i might not enter sleep paralisis in a LD and kill someone thinking its a monster. And thats why I LD with my door closed and the only means outa my room in a LD is to phase or teleport. Parrents cant take away lucid aid stuff becuase i only use my mind.

[Supernova]

"If I dream that I am rich I wont wake up rich." is her favorite. I get the feeling from this that she has very little clue what lucid dreaming even is. Have you ever told her about/showed her LaBerge's work or this site? Some of my friends try to tell me lucid dreaming isn't real, I find all I can really do is ignore them. I think moms main thing is that she is pissed in the real world and cant imagine a simulated world as fun. Thats why she hate video games to. I am begining to think that the nut cases out there that are really delusional that happen to do stuff like this make the rest of us look bad. Sanity is relative anyway. We do not know that there even is a world outside of our minds to begin with. sorry, I just finished reading 1984

[Osmodin]

I get the feeling from this that she has very little clue what lucid dreaming even is. Have you ever told her about/showed her LaBerge's work or this site? Some of my friends try to tell me lucid dreaming isn't real, I find all I can really do is ignore them. Sanity is relative anyway. We do not know that there even is a world outside of our minds to begin with. sorry, I just finished reading 1984 Your very right. I have tried to use this arguement but that only makes peeps think i am begining to be delusional but for crying out loud its not LDing I have always thought like that to a degree.

[Puffin]

I think the problem here is that your mom is being uptight and unreasonable, but you seem to take her opinion very seriously. Tell her you have an imagination and are adventurous, but instead of watching movies or drawing, you lucid dream. If you wanted, you could even have her sign up on Dreamviews and talk to me - I'd be happy to discuss it with her, if she's willing to open her mind a bit. It's perfectly fine if you don't though. You can become delusional by doing a lot of different things, not just LDing. Then, let it go. End the conversation by telling her to look up Dreamviews, show her people's comments related to this, and finish by saying something along the lines of, "forty years from now, when I have a family and haven't killed anyone, you'll realize that lucid dreaming is perfectly fine".

[Osmodin]

I think the problem here is that your mom is being uptight and unreasonable, but you seem to take her opinion very seriously. Tell her you have an imagination and are adventurous, but instead of watching movies or drawing, you lucid dream. If you wanted, you could even have her sign up on Dreamviews and talk to me - I'd be happy to discuss it with her, if she's willing to open her mind a bit. It's perfectly fine if you don't though. You can become delusional by doing a lot of different things, not just LDing. Then, let it go. End the conversation by telling her to look up Dreamviews, show her people's comments related to this, and finish by saying something along the lines of, "forty years from now, when I have a family and haven't killed anyone, you'll realize that lucid dreaming is perfectly fine". Thats reasonable. maybe i shouldent take others opinions serriously.. Mom just sees no point in that and i should just respect that. She is just one of those people that if a subject doesnt improve things like getting her a job or getting rid of back problems that it isnt something important.

[Puffin]

If you do get too involved with other peoples' opinions, it can really make you unhappy, especially if said person's ideals or emotions clash with your own. Sometimes you just have to accept their opinion, and your own, and be indifferent about it. Maybe she'll warm up to lucid dreaming eventually, who knows!

[EmperorOfMyMind]

Mom keeps telling me that its not real, as if I am delusional. I keep trying to tell mom that I dont care if its real or not, that I just care about the experience. Mom of course thinks this is dumb and the begining of delusional thinking. Mom keeps saying its not real, "If I dream that I am rich I wont wake up rich." is her favorite. Sounds like we should ban all items relating to the fictional. Video games, movies, literature, Fox News - it's all not real, and so it should be thrown into a cleansing inferno of reality. All those who enjoy these things should be institutionalized or, better yet, imprisoned. As to the originator of the Fiction Inquisition... How much television does your mother watch? How often does she read fiction? We need to know, because the Inquisitors can't decide whether she is getting a slap on the wrist or the electric chair. Anyway, you don't need to care what she thinks. She can't stop you from dreaming.

[mooseantlers]

Sounds like we should ban all items relating to the fictional......................................Fox News . So very true, so very true

[Rilly]

Mom keeps telling me that its not real, as if I am delusional. In my opinion, normal dreams are delusions because you think it's real. Lucid dreams are not because you know it's just a dream.

[pepsibluefan]

At least your mom doesn't think its witchcraft. *cough* *cough& my mom *cough*

[Osmodin]

Sounds like we should ban all items relating to the fictional. Video games, movies, literature, Fox News - it's all not real, and so it should be thrown into a cleansing inferno of reality. All those who enjoy these things should be institutionalized or, better yet, imprisoned. As to the originator of the Fiction Inquisition... How much television does your mother watch? How often does she read fiction? We need to know, because the Inquisitors can't decide whether she is getting a slap on the wrist or the electric chair. Anyway, you don't need to care what she thinks. She can't stop you from dreaming. Mom watches days of our lives. In my opinion, normal dreams are delusions because you think it's real. Lucid dreams are not because you know it's just a dream. Normal dreams are, Just seems most people dont understand that LDing is the same only with the wool not over our eyes. At least your mom doesn't think its witchcraft. *cough* *cough& my mom *cough* If mom thought it was witch craft I would do everything I could to either change her mind or bug her about it. Then I would pretend to do other witchcraft things and make up chants.