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      Why do you believe dreams mean anything specific?

      I'm honestly really confused by the sheer number of people who ask what their dreams mean and appear to believe that they could actually have some kind of predictive power (like the date of one's death), or that anything specific is meant. I don't think dreams are entirely without meaning, don't get me wrong. I think only the dreamer can truly find meaning in their dream, in the same way a person finds and essentially assigns meaning to just about anything in life. It's not entirely useless for others to pitch in with their opinion, but ultimately they would just be brain storming to help give the dreamer ideas. At most, I think dreams may offer some insight into one's psychological condition, and the meaning you could derive from them revolve around this subject. In this way, a dream might be allegorical to some situation you have going on in your life in a way. Whether it truly is a result of some inner struggle or thoughts could be argued, but I would say at least half of the time, even then, the meaning you come to in how it's connected to said situation is made up. The process one goes through in determining the meaning of a dream is almost entirely fueled by confirmation bias. You could literally make up any connection you wanted about something you saw or that happened in a dream in comparison to something in real life.

      Now, if this helps people get through some issue they are having, then I don't see the problem with it. Even believing what I do, I sometimes interpret my own dreams (although to be fair, my dreams are so bizarre and nonsensical most of the time that it's impossible to find meaning in them), just because it's kind of entertaining and might give me some ideas about how to handle some aspect of my life. However, more often than not, I see people requesting dream interpretations because what they dreamed was deeply disturbing or frightening to them, and they are either already have come up with a meaning they desperately want not to be true (that they are going to die on a specific date, or that they're secretly having thoughts of killing their nephew, or want to rape somebody--something typically scary that happened to them or awful that they did to somebody else and need reassurance that they aren't a bad person as a result), or they need to believe that they had such an awful experience for a good reason. When I see something like this happen, I feel as though if people didn't believe dreams have definite meanings, then they wouldn't be left thinking they were going to die soon, or that they are capable of or in anyway want to murder a child/baby. I've had dreams about killing before, even at times I've killed family members. I don't have them often, but I know whenever I have a dream like that, that I'm not secretly harboring homicidal thoughts toward people or my family. I know when I have a disturbing dream, that dreams are often completely random--the byproduct of memory consolidation and the often times bizarre meshing of the associations between the memories and other things that you experienced subconsciously throughout the day. What I mean by this is that when you see a couch, you invoke all sorts of other imagery and sensory information in your memory, but you don't acknowledge it all on a conscious level. All the details of whatever you are observing and perceiving are an amalgamation of what you're sensing and the corresponding associated memories that give it meaning, and the memories drawn upon to make these associations are likely experienced again at night when short-term memory is becoming long-term memory, only your mind doesn't filter these associations out because it isn't experiencing any sensory information that grounds your experience to reality.

      So, if you are someone who believes dreams can have definite meaning, why? Please describe, in what cases, dreams have meaning and toward what. I'm sure if you believe they do, then there must be different situations or levels to it. Also, if you believe dreams have definite meaning, how can you back this statement up? Can a skeptic really ever believe something like this? It's not always possible to be scientific about things, and this is one of those things (right now anyway, if not forever). As a skeptic myself, I find the whole proposition extremely unlikely. How do you reconcile being able to have such little empirical evidence for something like this, but still believing it? This goes even a step further for some people, I know, who believe much stranger and mystic things are going on when you dream (like being in another universe/dimension/reality or that they give you access to ESP-like phenomena and stuff). If you happen to be someone like this, could you explain your reasoning for believing so too, without relying on an answer like, "well, we don't know much about this kind of stuff and it can't be disproven so blah blah, etc." Just because something can't be disproven in no way means you should believe it, and I find is one of the poorest reasons for believing in something with an utter lack of evidence supporting it.

      Btw, sorry if this is technically the wrong forum for it. Since this is in general dream discussion, and it would have the most readers I want to respond to my question, I put it here. I know a lot of the site doesn't visit the Extended Discussion area, I know I didn't way back when I first signed up. As I understand it, this thread still fits here though, or at least I hope so! If it's wrong, though, I apologize.
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      I agree with all you are saying and I also believe there is more to dreams too I think lots of them are just the minds 'house keeping' and I'm happy to accept that they are just brain farts and mean nothing but there are a few personal things I can't explain away.

      - When I was a kid my Dad had a few OBE's were he saw stuff miles away as it happened. 2 were real world events on both occasions he woke in a quiet dark bedroom panicking woke up my Mum shouting for her to turn on the news.

      On the first occasion he's been flying with planes he'd seen them drop bombs, and could see the explosions but not were the planes where from. This turned out to be The 1986 United States bombing of Libya confirmed on the news after he'd seen it.

      The second - Zeebrugge Ferry incident on the night of 6 March 1987, killing 193 passengers and crew. He woke crying shouting at my mum that there were people in the sea and they were drowning.... again got up turned on the old black and white TV to see this happening.

      I know this is personal so it can't prove anything, my Dad is just a very ordinary guy. It freaked him out a lot and he didn't really tell anyone about it. I've herd of other people who have very similar experiences (my Brother in law is one) and they often don't tell people as they know it's 'unbelievable' I think they share it with me as I'm quite open minded.
      I can't see any reason for these people to make this stuff up. There is no rational for my Mum and dad to have lied about what my Dad experienced.

      I'm fairly sceptical about things too but when I started paying more attention to my dreams years ago I realised that sometimes they would tell me about stuff that I just didn't know - words in different languages would often be thrown in - or words I didn't know the meaning for. When I googled these they would way more often that not fit with what the dream was about. I've also had dreams explain things to me that I have later discovered are consistent with the findings of quantum mechanics/physics.


      Soo the conclusion I have to consider from this - 1) Is that it seems some element of our awareness is or can be non local to the brain. 2) We also seem to have access to stuff we either don't know... or don't know that we know.
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      Why do you believe dreams mean anything specific?
      I dont think that dreams in them self means something specific if you try to break it down as a skeptic. The reason why dreams can mean something specific and be interpreted as something specific is because of the emotional clarifacations that can sometimes be seen in the story of the dream sometimes. Dreams are like art in that way, you see what you see. And sometimes the meaning is recognized by many because of it's wider symbolic values.
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      I feel there are more to dreams than most of us will ever understand. I for one don't understand and have not figured out a way to interpret. I do however pay close attention to my dreams because my dreams are more conscious type dreams and learning dreams. I go through spurts in my life where I am very conscious of my dreams and then times when I get carried away with life and really don't remember them. I can only go by my experience and for me dreams have given me the strength to survive real life events. My dreams aren't like psychic dreams because for instance I had a dream when I was 9 that my father was being chased around the outside of my house by a man dressed in black and he was shooting at him, my dad was trying to protect us. I woke up terrified and told my parents about it. When I was 20 my father was murdered outside his girlfriends house and shot 8 times with an ouzi machine gun. The man was dressed as a Ninja. My fathers girlfriend was chased around the inside of the house and shot, then the killer shot himself, while the girlfriends son and friend were upstairs. Could be coincidence but it also prepared me because it actually felt like de ja vu and that nightmare immediately popped into my mind. I had another dream when my son was a toddler that I was at a park with him that had a lake. I couldn't find him anywhere and saw his shoes floating upside down in the lake and knew he drowned. Woke up terrified from that one as well. Then in the recent years my grandson drowned at a pool at his daycare. Again coincidence? Could be but then for the one that made me really wonder was the one where I saw my husband standing against our bed with blood all over his underwear and running down his leg. That same day after telling my husband about the dream, my husbands youngest son was rushed to the emergency room with a tear in his intestine and almost died. Then just a week or so ago I had that cancer dream that I posted about hearing the voice saying She has cancer and it was basically not treatable. I didn't know who she was. Just found out this week, She is the woman I work with and her cancer is in both of her lungs and spread to her brain. These are just some of the scenarios, so you can see why I feel there is more to dreams. Even if the events were just similar, at the least you have to agree that it still prepared me for these events. I am like you and ask a lot of questions. I still don't understand it, but I do appreciate it and I am no longer afraid of it. Thanks to joining this site I feel I am not alone and others have similar dreams to myself.
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