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      Not Fully Asleep, But Also Lucid Dreaming?

      I've always wondered about this phase, but so far I haven't read any information on it online. Might be quite hard to explain it, but bear with me.

      Has anyone had an experience in where they could still feel their real body after falling asleep, AND lucid dreaming?

      It's happened to me in several occasions, but I'm quite skeptical about it, since I've read no accounts of it before. Once, it happened while I fell asleep during Science class, felt the vibrations, but no full on SP, but I did see a blurry, but fully formed dream, and I was able to control it easier than any dream had ever been. Lasted only for a few seconds, since the teacher was discussing something. But the thing was, I was still aware of my body in the real world, my head on the desk, my eyelids constantly shifting.

      Last week, as a part of the IODSP project, I had a similar experience, this one lasting longer, and SP kicking in the middle of the dream...

      I was in this place with no solid form whatsoever, just colorful mist, clouds, and light. The place was pretty nostalgic, I remembered myself thinking, still feeling my real world body. It was like I was in between dreaming and reality (?). There were two other characters in that dream plane, yet I was hoping for them to be other dreamers. They were fighting, chasing each other actually, and I just seemed to join in. The one we were chasing was named "Shadow" but the other dude I was with, I had no idea what his name was. We seemed to have another form that was not human, maybe like cars. The dude named Shadow was a car with a face (Pixar). He was just spinning around, laughing, and having fun. The other dude I was with seemed to be quite annoyed, either of me, or the other dude. I stop him, ask him to change to his true form as I did too. He turns into this tall, built, man. He wore a tank top and jeans, and he had a mustache, he also had brown/dirty blonde hair. I materialize myself, seeing that I had a long sleeve shirt with green and white stripes. I see Shadow drive around again, laughing as he talked. That was about the time I felt SP kick in, but I think I forced it to. The hypnagogic hallucinations I was seeing was the clearest I have ever seen it. It was like looking through a kaleidoscope of random images, only clearer, and more vivid. I remember seeing an eye, then an owl.
      Any thoughts on this?

      Things I've done while Lucid:

      - Flying - Dream Rewind and Fast Forward
      - Invisibility - Shapeshifting - Grown Wings
      - Summoning [mastered (?)] - Zip lining
      - Fireball

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      this is hypnagogia. cool isn't it? it's basically sleep onset (stage one sleep). some researchers argue however that covert REM sleep is the cause of the visions in stage one. in any case, it's a great time to be lucid. but as you said, it's different. you can feel your body, and may still feel awake mentally but you are seeing visions with your eyes closed. some people wake up and have hypnagogic hallucinations (HH) with their eyes open. HH is often linked with sleep paralysis but can come on its own. it's closer to trance than dreams, and is the state of mind that Carl Jung worked with in his "active imagination." today, the shamanic dreamworker Robert Moss teaches how to use this state of mind for journeys.

      I've written more about it at length here: Hypnagogia and Hypnopompia | dream studies portal
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      Spontaneous lucids - my favorite!

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      That's happened to me before too; I get those half-asleep dreams a lot, but they've been sort of lucid a few times as well. It's never lasted longer than a couple seconds and wasn't very clear, but I think I know what you mean. I didn't consider them to be real LDs, and mine have almost seemed more like daydreams, but your second one sounds more dreamlike...I dunno.

      edit: is that really HH? I didn't think of that. I never really thought of it as being interactive, if you know what I mean.
      Last edited by Kitties; 08-20-2011 at 09:26 PM.

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      I also thought it was HH at first.. But I never knew that these illusions could be so, vivid, and have a life of its own. I thought it only consisted of random images, or colours, that was why I deduced the possibility.. Also, I never knew it was possible for it to be induced without SP. O.o
      Thanks for the info.

      And thankfully, I'm not the only one hahaha.

      Things I've done while Lucid:

      - Flying - Dream Rewind and Fast Forward
      - Invisibility - Shapeshifting - Grown Wings
      - Summoning [mastered (?)] - Zip lining
      - Fireball

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