@Memm; I think it's for the reasons you just listed that Puffin's technique may be more effective than Yoshi's - Short intensive episodes of awareness. |
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Wow, never really thought of it that way. That sounds very cool, very interesting, and very possible. It also helps in viewing the sleep/wake cycle on a thinner continuum, which of course we as lucid dreamers are all about! |
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@Memm; I think it's for the reasons you just listed that Puffin's technique may be more effective than Yoshi's - Short intensive episodes of awareness. |
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My Lucid Dreaming Articles/Tutorials:
Mindfulness - An Alternative Approach to ADA
Intent in Lucid Dreaming; Break that Dry-Spell, Escape the Technique Rut
Always, no sometimes think it's me,
But you know I know when it's a dream
I think I know I mean a yes
But it's all wrong
That is I think I disagree
-John Lennon
Mindfulness usually has a object, which will be different depending on the context. In Vipassana meditation, the object of mindfulness is the mind itself. You could say that Vipassana is "to observe the activity of the mind." In that case, it's natural that the mind will wander and your task is to merely observe that activity. In doing so, the mind might return from distraction, but there should not be a forced effort to keep the mind focused. But mindfulness can have different object outside of meditation (mindful eating, mindful listening, etc). |
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I am sure about illusion. I am not so sure about reality.
Yes, this. When I experience a dream with vivid awareness, where I really feel like I was there, I will often wake confused, thinking, "wait, that was a dream!?". It is like coming back from a zoned-out moment, as you said. |
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Last edited by FryingMan; 06-23-2014 at 04:07 AM.
FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
FryingMan's Dream Recall Tips -- Awesome Links
“No amount of security is worth the suffering of a mediocre life chained to a routine that has killed your dreams.”
"...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS
Wow this thread comes pretty close to what I am trying out right now. Here is a part of my workbook: |
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Lucid Dream Goal:
A perfect week!
One week with at least 1 Lucid Dream in every night.
Any mindfulness improves mindfulness, I think we can get faster results if we concentrate out efforts though; since several of us here seem to have the same notion that dreaming is just another state of mind (remembering, daydreaming, planning, spacing out, happy, sad, angry, sleepy, tired etc..), if we think of it as a state of mind then perhaps concentrating on mindfulness of our state of mind (more narrowly state of awareness) is worth paying the most attention to. |
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I'm no expert but from my breathing meditation experience, it develops calmness because that is needed to really be mindful, but observing the breath is also being mindful which develops mindfulness since any mindfulness develops mindfulness. It's not really this or that first, you'll be developing mindfulness no matter what you're doing. It's just that focusing that mindfulness on certain things (since, after practice, you know what it is) is useful. |
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I have found that "snapping back" only really means: Becoming aware of your dozing off. It's not like you have a physical shock or something like that. I usually just have a thought that says: Hhmm I just dozed off again. I can't really imagine it waking me up. It's the shock when you realize you are in fact Lucid and the excitement about that, that you should be afraid of. |
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Lucid Dream Goal:
A perfect week!
One week with at least 1 Lucid Dream in every night.
I suppose the idea is that mindfulness can be mindful of itself, or so the concept goes. |
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Lucid dream last night. In that dream, and the dreams running up to it, I've noticed really examining objects in detail. |
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My Lucid Dreaming Articles/Tutorials:
Mindfulness - An Alternative Approach to ADA
Intent in Lucid Dreaming; Break that Dry-Spell, Escape the Technique Rut
Always, no sometimes think it's me,
But you know I know when it's a dream
I think I know I mean a yes
But it's all wrong
That is I think I disagree
-John Lennon
Congrats on the LD! |
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just posting this interesting thread on ADA: http://www.dreamviews.com/attaining-...-lucidity.html |
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My Lucid Dreaming Articles/Tutorials:
Mindfulness - An Alternative Approach to ADA
Intent in Lucid Dreaming; Break that Dry-Spell, Escape the Technique Rut
Always, no sometimes think it's me,
But you know I know when it's a dream
I think I know I mean a yes
But it's all wrong
That is I think I disagree
-John Lennon
If being mindful improves mindfulness, like pumping a muscle; I would say ADA, which tries to be aware of as many senses as possible, of as many things as possible, all at once would be akin to pumping really, really quickly. |
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Last edited by Memm; 06-25-2014 at 03:24 PM.
Let me just say I think this is one of the most important and exciting threads I've seen in a while! At least, it resonates with me and where I am in my practice. |
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FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
FryingMan's Dream Recall Tips -- Awesome Links
“No amount of security is worth the suffering of a mediocre life chained to a routine that has killed your dreams.”
"...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS
I agree, awesome thread! |
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I just found a really, really good description on the difference between simple awareness and mindfulness. |
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Last edited by Memm; 06-25-2014 at 03:48 PM.
I do memory tracing sporadically. Usually my memory checks are closer in time, 5-15 minutes rather than hours (when doing the Sageous RRC). Sometimes I will do a full-day replay, but it takes usually 15-20 minutes so I don't do that very much. Usually my zone out periods are fairly short. My primary "ADA" focus for months was location, so I'm generally always aware of where I am and where I've been without having to think about it too hard. |
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FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
FryingMan's Dream Recall Tips -- Awesome Links
“No amount of security is worth the suffering of a mediocre life chained to a routine that has killed your dreams.”
"...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS
FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
FryingMan's Dream Recall Tips -- Awesome Links
“No amount of security is worth the suffering of a mediocre life chained to a routine that has killed your dreams.”
"...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS
That's interesting. This sounds more akin to semi-lucid experiences I've had, as opposed to LDs attained with clarity. In your estimation, how lucid were you? Just curious |
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Last edited by ThreeCat; 06-25-2014 at 05:14 PM.
I burnt out today, couldn't even bring myself to do my seated meditation (which has been a daily thing for me for like a month). |
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Last edited by Ctharlhie; 06-25-2014 at 10:49 PM.
My Lucid Dreaming Articles/Tutorials:
Mindfulness - An Alternative Approach to ADA
Intent in Lucid Dreaming; Break that Dry-Spell, Escape the Technique Rut
Always, no sometimes think it's me,
But you know I know when it's a dream
I think I know I mean a yes
But it's all wrong
That is I think I disagree
-John Lennon
Well I don't know if it was from my re-tuned vigilance or my "LD practice reboot" (relax, don't stress, build confidence, know I'm an awesome dreamer, be mindful, appreciate the detail of the waking world, realize that all experience comes from the brain, be it from sensory or memory input, etc.) or what but I just woke from a fabulous DILD, definitely in my all-time top 3. My last couple of LDs have been far superior to almost all the ones that came before: unbelievably vivid. Not the level of self-awareness or memory, but the experience of being there was totally convincing. An ultra-vivid dream, where I knew I was dreaming. |
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FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
FryingMan's Dream Recall Tips -- Awesome Links
“No amount of security is worth the suffering of a mediocre life chained to a routine that has killed your dreams.”
"...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS
Today I caught myself in a problem that might occur while trying to be "mindful" of the present moment; you can get too caught up in the concentration side, basically if you constantly feel "gotta be mindful, gotta be mindful, gotta be mindful" (not thinking that precisely, just really concerned / concentrating on it) you are in fact not being mindful, as I have observed. |
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Last edited by Memm; 06-26-2014 at 11:41 AM.
That's great, so when we're doing it right, we're getting a workout in both self-awareness and memory, the LD foundations! |
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FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
FryingMan's Dream Recall Tips -- Awesome Links
“No amount of security is worth the suffering of a mediocre life chained to a routine that has killed your dreams.”
"...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS
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