Thread: Is it possible to dream every dream lucid?

Yes and no. Your brain needs time to rest so it can't be active in the way necessary to have meaningful lucids. However, you can have a lucid every rem cycle but good luck with that. Every time I dream, it ranges between a level 2 lucid dream (passive) and a level 4 lucid dream (active)

All of the dreams I recall are at least level 2 meaning that I knew that I was dreaming but didn't think much about it or complete any dream goals. It's enough lucidity to justify using powers like flying, time manipulation and telekinesis but not to do any tasks I thought of before the moment I'm in. I can't recall a time in this year where I had a dream below a level two but it often goes up to level 4.

To answer your question, it's possible but good luck getting to that point.

Thanks for the insightful reply. I have a few questions from that.

We always hear that "our brain needs to rest" and while this is undoubtedly true, what actual evidence do you have that while you are lucid dreaming your brain is not resting? I can't think of an instance where, even if I had 3 lucids in one night, I could reasonably attribute my feeling of tiredness to my lucid dreams. I always feel better. Can you say with certainty or good evidence this would change with more high-level lucids?
Also, you say every time you dream it is a level 2 lucid, which would imply that your brain can rest in a level 2 lucid but not a level 4.

Your last sentence makes me feel that you think it would be very hard. Can you elaborate on why you think it's possible but so difficult to acheive? I would almost argue, if you're hitting level 2 lucids every night you are, well, already having a lucid dream in every dream. I didn't mention in the post the level of lucidity required for this to "count", but I guess we would be looking at level 4. Interested to hear your thoughts

Originally Posted by Dexter33

Thanks for the insightful reply. I have a few questions from that.

We always hear that "our brain needs to rest" and while this is undoubtedly true, what actual evidence do you have that while you are lucid dreaming your brain is not resting? I can't think of an instance where, even if I had 3 lucids in one night, I could reasonably attribute my feeling of tiredness to my lucid dreams. I always feel better. Can you say with certainty or good evidence this would change with more high-level lucids?
Also, you say every time you dream it is a level 2 lucid, which would imply that your brain can rest in a level 2 lucid but not a level 4.

Your last sentence makes me feel that you think it would be very hard. Can you elaborate on why you think it's possible but so difficult to acheive? I would almost argue, if you're hitting level 2 lucids every night you are, well, already having a lucid dream in every dream. I didn't mention in the post the level of lucidity required for this to "count", but I guess we would be looking at level 4. Interested to hear your thoughts

My reasoning is that if all dreams you had were in a full state of awareness, you would burn yourself out. When are you are in a level 2 lucid, certain parts of the brain that are mostly used for active memory throughout the day aren't active and thus resting. In a level 4 lucid, your brain state is almost identical to that of waking life and is resting about the same. That's why it's possible to rest sustainably at a level 2 but not a level 4. I've found personally that having active lucids in place of normal sleep and dreaming to be unsustainable.

(Btw, this only really matters if you're LDing every night) what I meant by it being difficult but possible is that I've never been able to do such a thing but someone with many times more experience can. With my level of experience, I can't do it without getting greatly tired but someone much higher level might have a differant opinion.

As for having a lucid every night / dream, it was something that came to me after a lot of lucids. I don't do reality checks anymore as I can just "feel" my body asleep in my bed and make decisions based on the fact that I'm dreaming. As for how you could accomplish it, I'm not sure how as its relatively new (one year). I'm only 17 so I have a lot of time to get even better but I'm not sure where that is.

Originally Posted by Him

Every time I dream, it ranges between a level 2 lucid dream (passive) and a level 4 lucid dream (active)

I find this about as likely as I find statements from people who say they sleep for 7 or 8 hours and then wake up recalling all their dreams, certain sure that they can remember distinct ones right back to the first REM cycle.

Such claims just don't seem reasonable to me.

Lets take my brother, I asked him how often are you able to control your dreams, his answer 'Always....
but, then I rarely remember my dreams'

so the more accurate statement would be that he only remembers his lucid dreams,

but then a more accurate statement for sound sleepers would be that when they wake up well rested they remember many segments of their last dream, falsely believing they are remembering all of many distinct ones.


just as surely as those sound sleepers you must have forgotten many of your dreams entirely and done so because you weren't the least bit lucid in them.


I also hate this new supposed numbering scheme of lucid dreams

certainly you can compare two different lucid dreams but assigning them numbers seems asinine to me

For instance I recently had a lucid dream, I was leaving work and was in the parking lot trying to find my car, and then remembered I didn't have it with me, next thing I know I'm driving a car. My first thought "this is a lucid dream, but how can it be?, I was just in the parking lot, my lucid conclusion: I was likely hit over the head and am lying unconscious in the parking lot lucid dreaming; note to self thank my attacker when I wake up...

When I actually wake up (after a quite bitch'n 10+ minutes highly Lucid Dream), It suddenly occurs to me that I don't actually work at my old high school, that I'm not actually a hardware engineer.

Clearly I had total self-reflection in that I new I wasn't in reality, and that I wasn't real.. In fact I was quite lucid and had great stability and control. But as for real world self-reflection I was totally convinced that the previous dream sequence of ending my engineering shift at my remodeled High-School and walking out into that dream lot was the real f'n world.

So what do I do give my self a Lucid Level of 2.71828 (the natural number) or was it more of a Lucid Level of 3.14159 (pi)

Numbering the level of Lucidity is just plain un-natural and pi-in-the-sky as far as I'm concerned

i dont like the idea of lucid numbering scheme, but definitely like the idea of explaining it with words, like cooleymd did.

is it possible to even have full waking awareness in a dream like that in that case? because if you are relying on memory, then you are wrong.

i beleive that you can be lucid in every dream every night. I have met a lot of people that claim this, and the majority of them have no reason to lie. i dont think that there is much reason why not, but i also dont think that people only have 4 or 5 dreams a night since NREM dreams are a thing too, so that puts us into 25 or so dreams a night.

i dont think the "our brain needs to rest" is a good reason, because i always feel more rested from waking when i have had a lucid dream. however! i think that the majority of the things we usually do to try and make ourselves lucid take a certain amount of energy, and we can run out of that energy. Being lucid is just the thought "i am dreaming" during a dream, why should that make us less rested?

I can agree with you when you dislike the number system because as cooleymd stated, there are many exceptions. I also didn't say that all dreams I have are lucid, just the ones I recall. I haven't recalled a single nrem dream and haven't touched nrem sleep at all so I'm probably not lucid during that time. It's just that whenever I remember a dream, lucid or otherwise, I make some decision based on the fact that I'm dreaming.

I also agree with what Sensei said with a sort of energy that runs out. I wasn't sure what to call it because I never really saw it talked about. My reasoning why you can have consistent LDs where you aren't actively thinking about it but not ones where you do is that the part of the brain that is very active when lucid dreaming isn't really active when you aren't thinking about it.

I would really like to hear what you think about it.

Here is a video about NREM dreams, Memory, etc
it is all based on real experiments tho
I couldn't find the video with the segment that recorded REM dream
(but in that one it shows how REM dreams play out, vs this one showing among other things how NREM and quiet wakefulness play out)

Okay, there are a lot of assumptions going on here.

Originally Posted by Him

In a level 4 lucid, your brain state is almost identical to that of waking life and is resting about the same. That's why it's possible to rest sustainably at a level 2 but not a level 4.

On the topic of rest, let's remember that correlation does not imply causation. In high-awareness lucids our state of consciousness does indeed feel very similar to real life. However, this does not mean that our physical brain is functioning the same way whatsoever. That is to say, just because there's a similarity between the waking and sleeping states of mind does not mean that we are physically expending more energy than if we were non-lucid. In fact, I'd argue that we are not. I'm sure becoming lucid alters brain activity somewhat (there's probably good studies on that), but lucid dreaming is really just a different state of awareness in dreams. There's no other signficant discernable difference.
I agree with Sensei and my personal experience supports it as well. I always feel well-rested after lucid dreams.

I think, whatever the truth is, why let that hinder us? There's no reason to limit our capabilities by supporting that statement until we have veritable evidence to the contrary

Originally Posted by cooleymd

I find this about as likely as I find statements from people who say they sleep for 7 or 8 hours and then wake up recalling all their dreams, certain sure that they can remember distinct ones right back to the first REM cycle. Such claims just don't seem reasonable to me.

Cooleymd, your logic for this is sound, but not exactly related. Of course, how can one reasonably claim that they remember every dream from that night? That's like saying you ate all the cake with certainty when you don't know how much cake there was. As Him addressed, I don't think his point was to say every single dream he has had he could say that with confidence.

That makes four of us that dislike the numbering system. I think it's useful for some people but it gets spread around this site as if it were the truth. It's nothing more than a tool to use like any technique. The moment we categorize ourselves into corners by labeling everything, we trap ourselves in those ideas and becomes increasingly harder to expand and come up with new creative concepts. Oh well, I'm just ranting now and this isn't really related to the topic.

For now I've no reason to believe you can't have a "level 4" lucid dream in every single dream you remember. Although I would really like to hear the thoughts of the kind of people who claim they can do this.

I meant that there were actual studies that showed unlike normal dreams where many parts of the brain weren't active, lucid dreaming activates more parts of the brain in the brain scans taken closely resemble normal brain activity if they were awake. Brain scans taken showing activity very similar to that of an awake person would mean that you aren't resting as much.

I feel like the more well rested i am, the more lucid dreams and vice versa. So in my mind, lots of lucid dreams are a sign that.i am on a good sleep schedule generally.
This has made me think before that most people, with just knowledge of LDing and a good sleep schedule through childhood, then people would be able to achieve perma lucidity.
After a certain point in LDing, I have noticed that most people claim either all their dreams lucid or 99% of them. None of them have ever claimed to be tired all the time.

I think that this works with the assumption that the reason we rest is so that our mind can rest, but if the reason we rest is just to process things, then it doesnt matter how active our brains are.

we know a little about why we need sleep, but that is really just from studying the effects that lack of, or limited, sleep has on people.
our best guess is:
https://sleepfoundation.org/excessiv...-we-need-sleep

We tend to think of sleep as a time when the mind and body shut down. But this is not the case; sleep is an active period in which a lot of important processing, restoration, and strengthening occurs.

One of the vital roles of sleep is to help us solidify and consolidate memories.

Just because our mind is usually at a certain state during this, doesnt mean that our mind being in a hybrid state is going to have negative effects.

Originally Posted by Sensei

I feel like the more well rested i am, the more lucid dreams and vice versa. So in my mind, lots of lucid dreams are a sign that.i am on a good sleep schedule generally.
This has made me think before that most people, with just knowledge of LDing and a good sleep schedule through childhood, then people would be able to achieve perma lucidity.
After a certain point in LDing, I have noticed that most people claim either all their dreams lucid or 99% of them. None of them have ever claimed to be tired all the time.

I think that this works with the assumption that the reason we rest is so that our mind can rest, but if the reason we rest is just to process things, then it doesnt matter how active our brains are.

we know a little about why we need sleep, but that is really just from studying the effects that lack of, or limited, sleep has on people.
our best guess is:
https://sleepfoundation.org/excessiv...-we-need-sleep





Just because our mind is usually at a certain state during this, doesnt mean that our mind being in a hybrid state is going to have negative effects.

Well, most of my points are anecdotal anyway. I'm only one person with my own experience and all of what I'm saying was based of of a time I had a night filled with high quality long Lucius, woke up very tired and had a dry spell of 2 weeks. Are there any others on the forum who are at that state?

Last night, I managed to have 7 separate active lucids (check online dream journal) and that was more than before. I managed to wake up well rested so my own anecdotal point is falling apart. Let's just see if I have a dry spell now.

Originally Posted by Him

Well, most of my points are anecdotal anyway. I'm only one person with my own experience and all of what I'm saying was based of of a time I had a night filled with high quality long Lucius, woke up very tired and had a dry spell of 2 weeks. Are there any others on the forum who are at that state?

Last night, I managed to have 7 separate active lucids (check online dream journal) and that was more than before. I managed to wake up well rested so my own anecdotal point is falling apart. Let's just see if I have a dry spell now.

Actually no one here right now, percy and sageous probably the closest or having had that in the past. I can skype a couple people I know and see if they will come lend a message or give me a message to post here in return. Most people do not stay here after they hit that point due to feeling a little left out generally I think.

That is funny about last night, haha, Does make you wonder if it is how much you try or how much you have. Like pushing a button to grab a drink, but every time at the end, you feel more tired. Was it the button or the drink that makes you tired? Maybe if you can learn to LD without a tech, or a different button, you will do better.

There are some techs that seem to require more energy and have more payoff than others. I have a few things that I only do when I am on a dry spell that always instantly break it and make me have an LD. If I do these every day I feel worn out. If I have like 5 days of Lucid dreaming nights with these techs, I will feel totally drained. If I have 10 days of LDing without these techs I don't feel drained at all. :/

Originally Posted by Sensei

Most people do not stay here after they hit that point due to feeling a little left out generally I think.

Haha, unfortunately I think you're right. I also have a group of skilled LDers I know, and we've moved elsewhere to discuss things. Plus, there's not too much reason to be here once you're at that point, other than to help others

Anyways, even though this is all unrelated to the original post, I wanted to mention one other thing. The majority of our sleep we are not in REM, especially during the first 4-6 hours until the REM periods get longer (but at that point you might already be adequately rested anyways). So I think that even if it is the case that we aren't resting as much, it would only affect 5-10% of our sleep right?

It's hard to say though, cause I think in general, LDers sleep more than most people anyways... and they know how to sleep! So we're all probably getting better rest than non-dreamers. Combining all these factors it's actually kinda hard to come up with a good conclusion on this. It's a cool discussion though

I know im randomly jumping in but there are many skilled dreamers here who not only help but share their ideas, write their dreams down and post in other sections of the forums.

Naiya:

I used to dream every single dream lucid, but it didn't make me feel any more or less rested.

She also mentioned lumi as someone that has had every dream lucid for decades.

Dexter33, I try to stay here and help skilled people stay here so that the culture changes to more peoppe with experience find it easier to stay. the problem is that most people that know how to LD every night would rather talk about what they do inside lucid dreams rather than talk about getting lucid all day. That being said, I took a break from DV for a month or two when hitting 500 LDs, and I took a 4 or 5 month break at the beginning of this year after getting near 1200. It has been a very weak year for me, but i broke through a lot of barriers and things, redirecting my path to be a better one since i think i hit the max on my other path, which was 7-14 LDs a week

Sensei, how come you list your LD count as 70? Do you reset it every year?

Yeah, and thank you for that The dreaming community is seriously great. As you can see, I never was around much in terms of posting because there was a very long period of time (a few years) where I pursued it alone, cause I didn't need the techniques here anymore. I too am redirecting my path since - as the original post implies - I want to hit a very high percentage of lucids now. I am sure we can all help each other reach the goals that we have I intend to stick around this time!

Originally Posted by Sensei

Actually no one here right now, percy and sageous probably the closest or having had that in the past. ... Most people do not stay here after they hit that point due to feeling a little left out generally I think.

You cut me deep, Sensei; you cut me deep!

Should I have left as well, or perhaps never have shown up in the first place? Is DV only for beginners, including the teachers?

Originally Posted by Sageous

Should I have left as well, or perhaps never have shown up in the first place? Is DV only for beginners, including the teachers?

Haha, stick around Sageous Can I hear your input on having every dream lucid? Have you acheived this before?

Originally Posted by Sageous

You cut me deep, Sensei; you cut me deep!

Should I have left as well, or perhaps never have shown up in the first place? Is DV only for beginners, including the teachers?

I wasn't saying that you should leave, but that people that hit a certain point do leave. I am sorry if it sounded like a negative thing. I pointed out here:

I try to stay here and help skilled people stay here so that the culture changes to more people with experience find it easier to stay.

Your staying has definitely encouraged me to stick around more. Even if I am not teaching, I try to enjoy some aspect of DV. For instance: right now I have been enjoying challenges a lot like the Dream Hero League.

Originally Posted by Dexter33

Sensei, how come you list your LD count as 70? Do you reset it every year?

Yeah, and thank you for that The dreaming community is seriously great. As you can see, I never was around much in terms of posting because there was a very long period of time (a few years) where I pursued it alone, cause I didn't need the techniques here anymore. I too am redirecting my path since - as the original post implies - I want to hit a very high percentage of lucids now. I am sure we can all help each other reach the goals that we have I intend to stick around this time!

My LD count is 70 because I reset it on September 15, 2016 (not 70 for 2016, I haven't had that bad of a year. ). I am trying to see how quickly I can get 1000 LDs. I have had a lot of crazy things happen this year, but my life is settling down quite a bit now and I am almost back to my old frequency. Since I am not focusing on teaching people, I put my LD count at what helps me most, and that is how quickly I can get to 1000. if I was focusing on teaching, I might put it at approx 1470 instead. It does give me some joy looking at that though, because I have 1470 LDs in 1651 days since starting Lucid Dreaming, but that is a far cry away from lucid all the time. If my current technique for becoming lucid pans out, it could revolutionize LDing!!! So we'll see how that works.




To Sageous and Dexter33
Since joining a few years ago, I have seen an increase in people staying past 100 or 200 LDs though. Lots of people that joined around the same year as me have been constant companions through the last 4 years. Many of them having upwards of 500 or 1000 LD even. Many of the people that taught me have left though, and I think that if we were all here now it would be an even better place to hang about and talk about dream theory and experiences!

Originally Posted by Dexter33

Haha, stick around Sageous Can I hear your input on having every dream lucid? Have you achieved this before?

I've certainly achieved it before, but I haven't gone for high-end lucidity all night in a while; for me, staying strongly lucid all night requires a pretty enormous amount of effort, so I only attempt it with intensity for a few weeks every year or so (I attempt iit casually every night, BTW, but that rarely goes well). I think I talked more about it -- or at least something similar -- in an old thread of mine called Exploring Delta Sleep

I don't have time right now to go into it, but if you're just talking about that sense of knowing I'm dreaming in most of my dreams, Sivason and I (and others) talk a bit about it in his thread, here.

Great, I'll check out those threads

Originally Posted by Sageous

I've certainly achieved it before, but I haven't gone for high-end lucidity all night in a while; for me, staying strongly lucid all night requires a pretty enormous amount of effort, so I only attempt it with intensity for a few weeks every year or so

When you do this, do you feel tired after waking up from so many lucid dreams? Do you feel like you cannot rest completely with high-level lucids?

^^ Not really.

Generally I've found that lucidity really doesn't interfere with your sleep cycle... in a sense, when lucid you are consciously witnessing your sleep and dreams, but you're really not interfering with the process. A good night's sleep should tend to occur, no matter how often you are lucid.

About the only exceptions to this that I've found are extreme dream-chaining with DEILD (more than four or five DEILD's), where I am forcing extra sleep or REM into a cycle that did not expect it, and occasional really high-end lucids that require a lot of effort and focus; both of those have left me mentally exhausted...but that probably had more to do with the extra curricular activity than it did with lucid interference with normal sleep.

I've dream chained before. Haven't seen it talked about much though.

I haven't posted here in quite some time. I can't say I have them every night like you ask, and I don't think it would be possible to have one every dream or even healthy for that matter since your brain needs to rest and sort itself out when you sleep. With that said, I do have them on a fairly regular basis and it's nothing I try to do at this point. I probably just have a weird brain that's so darn active a lot. What it's like for me is that I'll normally come to a realization that I'm dreaming, but I'll just go on with the dream however it was going, unless the plot bores me and I'll decide to do something else, like fly around for a bit or conjure up my wife for a bit of...never mind...that part's not for you. Most of the time I find myself in an interesting dream and I just go with it, knowing I'm dreaming and sometimes wishing I didn't know that because the dream is so darn fun, like flying around in a spaceship and wishing it was real.