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      DEILD - Dream Exit Initiated Lucid Dream

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      DEILD
      - Background

      - Preparation
      Dream Recall
      Awakening After a Dream


      - How to DEILD
      Hints on Staying Still
      Hints on Entering the Dream
      Chaining


      DEILD

      DEILD stands for Dream Exit Initiated Lucid Dream. DEILD is also sometimes called "Dream Chaining." A DEILD is basically a shortened WILD. DEILD has the potential to let you have multiple lucid dreams each night. This technique takes advantage of the fact that as you awaken from a dream the brain remains in dream mode for a few moments, provided you don't move too much. Since your brain is still using REM waves, you can easily slip back into a dream without having to trick your body into falling asleep. However, if you are at the end of a REM phase you won't be able to DEILD. If you hit the right timing and are able to keep yourself conscious while you drift back to sleep, you'll find that it's relatively easy to enter in a dream lucid.
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      Background
      The DEILD technique had been around for a while. Many lucid dreamers have stumbled across this technique in their own in their pursuit of LDs. Dr. Steven LaBerge outlined this technique in some of his books.



      Preparation.

      Dream Recall
      In order to DEILD you have to have good dream recall. Not only so you won't forget your DEILD adventures, but also because you need to be aware enough of your dreams that you know when one has just ended. It is ideal to establish decent dream recall since it can be much easier to reenter the dream if it is still clearly recalled once you wake up, as opposed to visualizing a completely new one (which you may also do if you prefer).
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      Awakening After a Dream
      Since DEILD relies on your ability to wake up as a dream ends, you obviously need to be able to do this on a regular basis. Many people wake up briefly after each dream already, but are unaware of it. There a few ways to become aware of these awakenings:

      - Some people use an alarm of some kind to wake them up during the night. A vibrating cell phone can be used, too. You will need an alarm that turns itself off after a few seconds. The shorter the duration of the alarm the better, as you don't want it to disturb you too much. Set it to go off after between 3-6 hours of sleep. You'll have to experiment to find the best time for you. If you want, you can also set it to go off every half hour after that, to give you a greater chance of waking from a dream.

      - Some people train themselves to recognize the look of their closed eyes, because this will signal that they have just woken up. To do this close your eyes while going to sleep for the night. Spend about a minute looking at the backs of your eyelids. Over time you should start to instantly recognize, even when groggy and half-awake, that your eyes are closed and that is a signal that you have just woken from a dream.

      If you don't like the idea of an alarm waking you up you can try going to bed a couple of hours early. Many people find this causes them to wake up during the night more than they normally do.

      Another way to skip the alarm is to use autosuggestion. With this method you come up with a short sentence or phrase (your "mantra") that sums up your desire, in this case to be aware of waking up after every dream. An example of a mantra you can use is, "I will be aware of waking after every dream." To get the most out of autosuggestion repeat your mantra over and over several times a day. The more you do it the faster and better it will work. A good way to make sure you do it enough is to repeat it:
      • Every time, the whole time as you use the bathroom.
      • Whenever you wait in line or have other "down" time.
      • Whenever you walk through a doorway.
      • As you get ready for bed.
      • For several minutes as you lay in bed.


      How to DEILD.


      Once your dream recall is good and you are aware of waking after many of your dreams you are ready to start DEILDing! When done properly the whole process generally takes less than a minute from awake to a lucid dream state.

      You awake after in a dream. Now try to hold still and avoid if possible opening your eyes. Even though scratching your nose or moving a bit does not end your chances, excessive wakefulness can cause your brain to come out of REM. You need to keep your mind awake, but still in that dreamy, in-between state.

      Now a dream will form around you. At this stage you may feel some Hypnagogic Hallucinations, since DEILD is a kind of WILD.
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      Hints on Staying Still

      • If you find it is hard for you to remember to stay still as you awake you can use autosuggestion to plant that goal in your mind.
      • Another useful way of staying still is to set two alarms, one fifteen minutes or so before you attempted to DEILD. When it goes off, go back to sleep, but affirm that next time you wake up you will stay still. Because you did your affirmation so closely to the DEILD attempt, it is very fresh and your mind.

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      Hints on Entering the Dream

      • You can enter a dream scenario of your choice by imagining it while you lay still waiting for the dream to form. This is harder to do than dream reentry.
      • You can reenter your last dream by simply thinking about it. Most people find this the easiest way to shape a dream while DEILDing.
      • If you are more of a tactile person, you can imagine the sensation of movement or of touching something to help you get into a dream. As an added bonus, when you actually can "feel" the movement or object you know your dream body is feeling it and you are in the dream. This acts as a built in RC.
      • Be aware of the false awakenings. Most WILDs will start with one. If you think you've failed the DEILD, make sure with a reality check.

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      Chaining

      Many people use DEILD not as a technique to become lucid, but as a method for staying lucid. Dreamers (especially ones who are new to lucid dreaming) tend to wake up soon after becoming lucid. The DEILD technique allows the dreamer to go back into the dream and continue it. The way to perform is right when you realize that the dream is about to end. You might know this depending on the time you started your DEILD, or if you can't seem to prevent the scenario from fading. At this point, you want to focus on your intention of waking up and remaining motionless, while also keeping focus on any dream imagery residue that might allow you the opportunity to enter in the next dream.


      *This tutorial is a collective effort of Dream Views Team from 2008, edits by DV Team 2012, 2013
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      I had made my 2 DEILD attempt yesterday, and i found the same problem that i faced in the first attempt. i always can get motionless, while i realise that i've waking up from the dream, and i quickly close my eyes, but i always wake up in a uncomfortable position in bed, and i always have to move out on other position, will that affect my DEILD attempt?
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      Mantras can help you with staying motionless when you wake up from a dream. Maybe you can practice this everytime you wake up, whether from a dream or not.

      Some people believe, that you can still DEILD, even after you open your eyes or move. But I don't believe this to be true. This is why: For a LD to be a DEILD, you have to wake up from a dream and enter another/or same dream again. For this to happen, you have to stay in REM. REM is over the moment you wake up. But I also believe, that if you move and even open your eye, but don't wake up, you stay in that half asleep, half awake state, when you perhaps don't even remember that you have moved, then it is still possible to DEILD. This sometimes happens, when you wake up to an alarm and you just whack it to make it stop. If you do this often enough, you will hear the alarm, but it will not wake you up in the tru sense.

      But waking up doesn't mean, that all is lost. You are still super relaxed and you have a great chance for a WILD. This WILD should be very short, since you don't have to relax your body first. Just stay calm and get your LD. Happy dreams

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      thanks once again Gab
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      Thanks a lot for this!
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      I don't know why I took so long to realize that DEILD has the potencial to be the most effective technique for me.
      I wake up every single time after a dream and normally I do remember what I was dreaming. However the first thing that I usually do is to roll over.
      Also I'm testing the Alarm Clock PLus for android with a gentle ringtone and an auto dismiss of 10 seconds. It did worked
      Woke me up and I was able to remain still. Couldn't form any image. End up staring to the fog at the back of my eyelids for a while until I lost consciousness.

      On a side note. One of my few LDs was a DEILD.
      It was so AWESOME.
      During a WILD I fell asleep and woke up a while after in SP (some guy was screaming at my ear lol) and a tiny image strated to appear and become bigger and bigger untill it filled almost of my filed of vision.
      I literally walked into it. One DC (some girl i know) stared at me as I was entering the dream scene with a "what the hell is this guy doing" look on her face.
      So funny. It didn't last
      Still awesome.

      Thanks for the thread.
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      My 4th LD was a DEILD from a DILD. Lasted only about 25 sec, but to the quality, it was ones of my best DEILDs, and even LDs.

      I also had a DC, that of a liitle girl looking at me rolling her eyes, as if saying "oh great, another one". I wonder why would a DC do that.

      You can combat "rolling over" as soon as you wake up with a mantra "I stay still", or "I don't move". Happy dreams

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      If you wake up in the night, and then proceed to go to the next dream, wouldn't that make your last dream fade away ?

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      I've been trying to DEILD, since I often wake from a dream in SP. I will either focus on the dream I was just having, or imagine a scene where it involves movement. As soon as I feel like I'm really moving, I snap back into reality. It's as if the feeling of movement collides with my rational mind that I'm not really moving and it's almost an awe moment and I'm back where I started. When I start to feel like I'm moving I just can't seem to push my consciousness forward into the dream body and continue on into the dream. Any advice?

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      Quote Originally Posted by heather675 View Post
      I've been trying to DEILD, since I often wake from a dream in SP. I will either focus on the dream I was just having, or imagine a scene where it involves movement. As soon as I feel like I'm really moving, I snap back into reality. It's as if the feeling of movement collides with my rational mind that I'm not really moving and it's almost an awe moment and I'm back where I started. When I start to feel like I'm moving I just can't seem to push my consciousness forward into the dream body and continue on into the dream. Any advice?
      I got the exact same problem.

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      Quote Originally Posted by heather675 View Post
      I've been trying to DEILD, since I often wake from a dream in SP. I will either focus on the dream I was just having, or imagine a scene where it involves movement. As soon as I feel like I'm really moving, I snap back into reality. It's as if the feeling of movement collides with my rational mind that I'm not really moving and it's almost an awe moment and I'm back where I started. When I start to feel like I'm moving I just can't seem to push my consciousness forward into the dream body and continue on into the dream. Any advice?
      You could always stop choosing to imagine a scene that involves movement, and stick to focusing on the dream you were having. Imagining movement is not a requirement for successful DEILD. Why not just imagine returning to a nice static location, or think about staying in the dream in a very general sense?

      The object in DEILD is to return to your dream without fully waking up, with no requirements beyond staying self-aware, and focusing on a return to your dream as well as perhaps remembering that that was what you wanted to do. No more needs to be added, I think.

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      I had a DEILD last week, and my problem was that I focussed too much on the previous dream (or another scene). Just think of something a bit, don't focus too hard. That is what worked for me though.

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      I need help waking up properly for deild. Everyone seems to be able to wake up completly still after only a few days. I've tried for an entire month with no sucess. I've troed mantras and meditating, but with no luck. Are there any solutions to this?

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      1st time trying this I had good success and chained up a number of LD's together. Was chuffed as it seemed like a nice way to deal with common short LD's. Havent had DEILD working since tho. Even last night, had a LD, stabilized a bit, tryed an experiment that didn't work, tryed then to push my way through a door, which would usually work, but woke up. straight away thought of DEILD and hadnt moved at all, remembered the dream but slowely just became more awake...
      the time it worked for me if felt like I still had the slipstream feeling of the previous dream. Last night I was straight to DEILD but no slip stream...Is it a matter of techinque, experience, belief in working, conditions such as stage of REM or a bit of luck of the draw?

      Thanks

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      Guys, I have a problem. It says you need good dream recall for this method, but my recall only works if I immediately write down my dream after waking up during the night. This usually gets me at least 4 dreams a night, but for DEILD you need to stay still.

      What should I do? Do I try to recall my dreams without typing them right affer I wake up dream after dream, writing on my DJ exclusively during the mornings, or should I try a totally different method?

      Another problem I'm facing with DEILD and MILD is that once I wake up after a dream, even if I don't move I stay awake for like 20-30 minutes attempting these methods. What am I doing wrong?

      Thanks!

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      ^^ For successfully DEILDing, there is no need to remember all your dreams from that night, and certainly no need to write anything down (for the particular DEILD you are attempting, of course; you should still keep a DJ regardless).

      All you need is good enough recall to have a feel for the dream you are exiting; an understanding that you are exiting a dream as you wake up. You likely have that feel already, given that you are keeping a DJ. With that feel, you can focus on your return to the dream you just exited when you go back to sleep. Which brings on you other problem:

      If it always takes as long as 30 minutes to fall back to sleep, then DEILD might not be the thing for you. However:

      DEILD works best when you can realize that you are waking up from a dream, and can pretty much go back to sleep before you are fully awake. This is not as difficult as it might sound: you naturally tend to wake up and return to sleep almost immediately several times a night, even if you don't remember. What you want to do with DEILD is catch one of these awakenings, and basically allow yourself to jump across that brief awakening without losing the dream. In your case, it could be that you are waking up fully before attempting a DEILD, which would result in your missing the opportunity to make that jump.

      What to do about it? Well, you could try to stay calm, keep your eyes closed, remember or continue to visualize your dream and simply wait for sleep to return (and of course do the stuff that Zoth lists in the OP). If you are calm enough, then you might avoid coming fully awake and return to your dream in moments. But if this always fails and you tend to be fully awake immediately, then you might want to consider converting that DEILD attempt to a traditional WILD attempt.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Sageous View Post
      ^^ For successfully DEILDing, there is no need to remember all your dreams from that night, and certainly no need to write anything down (for the particular DEILD you are attempting, of course; you should still keep a DJ regardless).

      All you need is good enough recall to have a feel for the dream you are exiting; an understanding that you are exiting a dream as you wake up. You likely have that feel already, given that you are keeping a DJ. With that feel, you can focus on your return to the dream you just exited when you go back to sleep. Which brings on you other problem:

      If it always takes as long as 30 minutes to fall back to sleep, then DEILD might not be the thing for you. However:

      DEILD works best when you can realize that you are waking up from a dream, and can pretty much go back to sleep before you are fully awake. This is not as difficult as it might sound: you naturally tend to wake up and return to sleep almost immediately several times a night, even if you don't remember. What you want to do with DEILD is catch one of these awakenings, and basically allow yourself to jump across that brief awakening without losing the dream. In your case, it could be that you are waking up fully before attempting a DEILD, which would result in your missing the opportunity to make that jump.

      What to do about it? Well, you could try to stay calm, keep your eyes closed, remember or continue to visualize your dream and simply wait for sleep to return (and of course do the stuff that Zoth lists in the OP). If you are calm enough, then you might avoid coming fully awake and return to your dream in moments. But if this always fails and you tend to be fully awake immediately, then you might want to consider converting that DEILD attempt to a traditional WILD attempt.
      Hi sageous, I have been attemping DEILD with an alarm for a while now with some interesting results. My alarm goes off 6 hours into sleep for 2 seconds before automatically switching itself off and then going off every 30 mins after that. The results have been as follows:

      Fri 06.Bed at 11pm > Woke naturally after dream > didnt move > kept mantra > hit powerful waves of head vibrations > separated into an OBE

      Sun 08.Bed at 12am > Alarm during a dream > didnt move > visualized previous dream with mantra > hit powerful waves of head vibrations > separated into an OBE

      Sun 22.Bed at 12am > Alarm > no dream residue > didnt move > manipulated my tinnitus > huge loud noise in ears > separated into an OBE

      Mon 24. Bedt at 12am > Alarm during dream > didnt move > Saw quick images > tried to lock onto an image for 1 min > was awake

      Tue 01.Bed at 100pm > Alarm during dream > didnt move > Got rapid flashing images for about 1 mini > was awake, attempted a wild

      So i have had attempts where i wake using an alarm during a dream and keeping still, simply had HI but no reentry.

      If i was to attempt a wild after a failed deild, should i just continue to lay there for without moving after about 1 min of the deild not working to creat a 'seamless' process?

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      ^^ Hmm.

      Aside from sort of making my argument about using alarms for DEILD for me (I don't think alarms are a good idea), you also seem to be experiencing an unusual amount of noise.

      First, full disclosure: As my primary transition tool, I have done thousands of successful DEILD's and, aside from the occasional almost metaphoric "whoosh" as I rapidly returned to a dream I really wanted to conclude, I never encounter any noise during DEILD -- that to me is one of its better qualities. Also, noise has rarely come up during my many conversations with other dreamers. So, albeit anecdotally, noise should not be a factor in your DEILD. Now:

      I wonder if your alarm was creating an unhelpful near-waking state that required you to do more of a traditional WILD than a DEILD. Instead of doing the ideal DEILD by just approaching wakefulness without reaching it and simply drifting back to sleep and into your dream, thanks to the alarm you were briefly fully awake, obliging your mind and body to go through all the motions of falling asleep, which brings about the noise. I could be wrong, but it is something to think about.

      DEILD is all about sensing an impending wake-up and then carefully making sure that you only almost awaken, thus staying mostly asleep and more likely to return to your dream. Using an alarm almost by definition takes you beyond that "almost awake" moment immediately and vigorously, making doing a good DEILD (which means you never fully woke up) pretty much impossible... but, thankfully, traditional WILD is always waiting in the wings:

      If i was to attempt a wild after a failed deild, should i just continue to lay there for without moving after about 1 min of the deild not working to creat a 'seamless' process?
      I wouldn't recommend that.

      I think you should get up and do your WBTB as usual. Unlike its DEILD counterpart, WILD does require a "seam" or two of (dreamy) wakefulness in order to both gather waking-life self-awareness for the dive and to insert some time into the process so that you can catch your next REM period more easily. If you just lay there you might simply go back to sleep without taking your self-awareness with you.
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      DEILDs are awesome. My favorite type of a LD because of speed of entry, sensations and because I have lots of time for thinking (seconds, really, but it seems like a lot) during transition. Also love DILDs because of the surprise factor when counting my fingers. 1,2,3,4,5...6! I'M DREAMING. WOO!!

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      Explain a lot. Many times when I'm lucid, the dream is about to fade, and then I just stay still, when everything become black, and in about 8-15 seconds the dream comes back. The same dream. Very cool!
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      I think I had my longest chain today. About 8 DEILDs, 50+ min event.

      Love my subC.

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      Hi there, have a question about DEILD.
      Recently i've learned very successfully to recognize the micro awakening, thanks to the tech what i doing when u first go to bed at night,(With ur eyes closed, recall the whole RL day(in time order). For eg. when u first get out of the bed, whom u saw,what did u eat,what did u doing after that....etc) I dont know why ,but it gives u the skill about recognize micro awekening.(i wasnt good at this before, but with this tech i've learned it in 3 days lol)
      BUT, what happens in 90% of the time when i recognize the mic awekening,or i dunno, maybe a little more awekening, but i feel still dusy(?)<- haha maybe this word dosnt even exist in the language.
      So what i experience these times, is it an SP or close to SP?The sensation: i feel my legs extremely heavy,A little bit stiff, and VERY nervous.Im sure u know what im talking about the nervous legs feeling.(it can be feel sometimes, when u watching the tv, and u got sleepy, and u dont wanna to fall asleep until the end of the the tv show.)

      I could not reach deild still, becouse i only can be still couple of mins maximum, and this is why i cant fall asleep, coz i need to concentrate hard to not roll over.this feeling is extremely uncomfortable, and have to move or roll over after a while.(and also prevent me to fall asleep quickly)I know it should not last this long to fall asleep again, only secs.I forgot to mention, i keep my body perfectly still in these awekenings)

      Any idea what to try?

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      I'm leaning toward practicing more DEILD as I noticed that traditional WILD is usually too stimulating, and usually leads to poor sleep for me. Also, I've had a natural time waking my self up after dream periods from mantras/autosuggestion.
      My question(s) would be: would anyone have good methods/advice for building/retaining awareness during those micro-awakenings? Thanks for the pointers
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      Since mantras are working for you to wake yourself up between sleep cycles, maybe you can add something to it. But for a DEILD, I can't really recommend fully waking up. You need to remain in REM or at least still mostly asleep than awake in order to jump into next dream within seconds. Some claim they can DEILD after fully waking up and even moving, but frankly I don't see that happening. Once you fully wake up and move, that REM is over. You can wait for the next one, which depending on how long have you slept prior to this can be only few minutes away, but then it will be a WILD, not a DEILD. Anyway, all what matters is a lucid, no matter what we call it. Happy dreams.

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