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      Quote Originally Posted by Mindraker View Post
      Here is a VERY strong one for me. Try walking with your eyes closed, anywhere. In about 15 steps my body flips out and forces my eyes open.
      Yeaaah on second thought better do that in a wide open space. Did that today in the mall before any of the stores opened, and I thought I was going to be OK. At 30 steps I slammed into a glass wall window of a manicure store. Thank goodness it didn't break. The cleaning guy behind me looked at me like w...t...f...

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      Thanks for the awesome tutorial Gab!

      I just had a couple novice questions:

      How do I get past the feeling of "I am definitely awake" in WL? I have been trying to do at least 5-10 RCs every day for the past four weeks or so, and I try to be aware as possible when I am doing them, but I always get the feeling that I am definitely awake. I want to get rid of this mindset because I know that it will carry over into my dreams, but I don't know how to fight my brain saying "This is so real, it can't possibly be a dream". Even when I tell myself that I might be dreaming, I don't feel like I am really believing it, and because of this, I feel less excited about doing a RC.

      Also, how do I know that I have come to a logical conclusion in a RC if I do not acknowledge whether or not I am dreaming? For example, what I have been doing in the past is, after finishing a RC I would say to myself "OK because I understand where I am, how I got here, what I'm doing, etc., and because the RCs did this, I must not be dreaming". If I should not acknowledge that I am not dreaming, how do I prove to myself that I have collected enough evidence one way or another to finish the RC? And does this mean that I should not acknowledge that the specific reality tests I performed failed?

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      Quote Originally Posted by dreamingnow View Post
      How do I get past the feeling of "I am definitely awake" in WL?
      Build high levels dream recall, dream awareness (meaning, awareness *of* your dreams, realizing you do dream, a lot, every night, etc.), and acquire a few hundreds/thousands of non-lucid dreams in your DJ (doesn't take all that long with 5+ dreams recalled per night). Particularly, vivid dreams where you feel truly present in the moment and entirely "awake." The ones where you wake up and think to yourself in amazement, "Wait, you mean, *that* was a dream!?!?" Do this and you will deeply acquire the gut realization that any conscious moment could be actually taking place in the dream state. Somewhere around 11% of our conscious experiences take place in the dream state, so that's a pretty good chance!

      Also, how do I know that I have come to a logical conclusion in a RC if I do not acknowledge whether or not I am dreaming? For example, what I have been doing in the past is, after finishing a RC I would say to myself "OK because I understand where I am, how I got here, what I'm doing, etc., and because the RCs did this, I must not be dreaming". If I should not acknowledge that I am not dreaming, how do I prove to myself that I have collected enough evidence one way or another to finish the RC? And does this mean that I should not acknowledge that the specific reality tests I performed failed?
      It depends I suppose on the particulars of your RC(s). With nose pinch in a dream, it is so obvious to me the particular feeling I get, like my internal breathing apparatus is disconnected from my physical body. Also note that you may get lucid without ever doing RCs. RCs are helpful to cement budding lucidity in a dream, but sometimes you just get lucid without needing to do a RC. This comes from building familiarity with the dream state as compared to the waking, and something in your internal "spidey sense" just tells you that this is the dream state.

      I think Gab's point is really to avoid forming and dwelling upon the "I am not dreaming" conclusion, because this thought can prevent lucidity. Sure, some little part of you knows this, but you want to avoid forming this complete thought and dwelling on it. Rather, redirect your thoughts to something like (this is what I do), "Hmm, well, I *will* be dreaming TONIGHT! And I'll get lucid!"

      Something else I like to do from time to time is "fake" a RC. Like, do nose pinch, but intentionally "miss" my nose so that I can breathe, and then pretend that I am getting lucid in a dream. If this happens in a dream, all the better. And it lets you get some practice in experiencing the thought of "Yes, I am dreaming!" and hopefully build this thought into your dreaming mind.

      If you get a RC result that indicates "not dreaming," it's good to slow down, and reeeeeeaallly concentrate on it. Do several different RCs, carefully and thoughtfully. The worst thing is doing an RC in the dream state quickly and ignoring the result. Doing RCs slowly and carefully is the best way to prevent that.

      Trust me, once you get lucid (and you WILL! probably very soon!), a lot of the mystery will become clear. It just takes time and experience with the dream state.
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      “May I awaken within this dream and grasp the fact that I am dreaming, so that all dreamlike beings may likewise awaken from the nightmare of illusory suffering and confusion.”
      "...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS

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      Thanks FryingMan! This has given me a new perspective on RCs!

      I have been trying to do at least 10 RCs per day, and for the past couple weeks I have done an average of 7-10 each day, with 5 being the bare minimum. Is this enough to improve my awareness, or should I be doing more? I want to make sure I am doing as many as I can, but I am also trying to be very careful to make sure that I don't start to get tired of RCs as a chore that I "have" to do.

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      I tend to believe that it is quality and time spent on reflective moments rather than the absolute # of RCs that you do that makes the most difference. Remember that an RC comes about as a combination of already heightened awareness ("something's not right/odd/weird") together with memory ("I want to recognize the dream state and doing RCs is a way to help me to do that"). I recommend trying to hold heightened critical/self awareness for as long as possible throughout the day. If someone's doing "fire and forget" RCs that take a second or two, I think 5, 10, or 100 per day won't make much of a difference since that person is continuing to exist in a non-reflective auto-pilot state.

      But if you're taking a solid minute or more to slow down, stop, consider your surroundings/thoughts/emotions with honest critical reflection, recall your last 10-15 minutes, remember your goal to notice the dream state and set solid intention to do similar reflection in your dreams in order to get lucid, and then do a solid RC or two with full attention, even 2-3 of these moments during the day is better than 10 or 100 "fire and forget" RCs. Of course, the more these proper reflective/awareness/memory moments you have, the better ,and the longer you can maintain this reflective mindset throughout the day the better. Enjoy the process and build it slowly over time so that it doesn't feel like a chore, so that you rejoice every time you remember to hold these moments. Because every single one of these moments is a moment of lucidity! You're doing nothing less than transforming yourself into a lucid person!
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      “May I awaken within this dream and grasp the fact that I am dreaming, so that all dreamlike beings may likewise awaken from the nightmare of illusory suffering and confusion.”
      "...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS

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      Thank you! So, after I finish the RCs, how should I work on maintaining that mindset? Is that just thinking about my surroundings and about LDing?

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      Everyone needs to find what works for them. The way I frame it for myself (I discuss it more here) is:

      Strive to:
      Pay attention to all your experiences
      Reflect upon your experiences (are they dreamlike?)
      Practice recalling your experiences, (and remember your goals to be lucid in dreams)
      Do this both day and night

      You just start doing this more and more. Once you start getting used to the feeling of being tuned in, and aware of your present experience (and of your awareness!), the feeling of being on auto-pilot (not paying attention, reacting and not reflecting) becomes more and more obvious. You'll start catching yourself more and more having fallen into that mind-less state.

      Some excellent and very approachable books to read on the subject of mindfulness are:
      "Mindfulness In plain English"
      and
      "Wherever You Go, There You Are: Mindfulness Meditation in Everyday Life"

      These discuss primarily building attention and focus (and somewhat about reflection, but for different goals)

      Since these are not LD books, you need to add in elements needed for LDing, which as I said are reflection about your state, and memory (of goals, of dreaming, of your experiences).
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      "...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS

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      I did not work check the nose shut and breathe. I can not breathe during sleep with a closed nose. I almost choked.
      У меня не сработала проверка закрой нос и подыши. Я не могу во сне дышать с закрытым носом. Чуть не задохнулся.

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      The three RCs I use are pushing my fingers through my hand, then counting my fingers, then trying to breath through my nose. Not going to lie, these RCs are a little bit boring to me now. Should I change one or all at all to make it more exciting to do them? I always liked the idea of trying to change a color of an object around me. Should I for example do that instead of counting my fingers?

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      pushing my fingers through my hand, then counting my fingers -works
      then trying to breath through my nose - not works

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      I'm late for this, but maybe you'll still find this helpful. . . .

      Quote Originally Posted by dreamingnow View Post
      Thank you! So, after I finish the RCs, how should I work on maintaining that mindset? Is that just thinking about my surroundings and about LDing?
      I figured I'd give some two-cents to some of the questions you asked. FryingMan's explanations are excellent--there are just two more things I can think of that also might help you.

      The first is that I suggest actually creating your own reality check, instead of just relying on the more common ones. What I personally do is that I imagine something to be behind me in my mind's eye (e.g., a purple door, myself, an angel, etc.) while fully expecting it to be there, turn around, and if it's there--well, I'm not awake, but if it isn't there then I'm probably awake. You can also see others' personalized RCs in this thread and on this site in general.

      FryingMan said that they don't think that the number of RCs a person does is as important as self-awareness, and I agree! You asked how you might be able to get rid of the "I'm definitely awake" idea in the waking world, and I have something for that. Consider this: every night you go to bed, you are convinced that you're awake. Every single time (unless you're lucid, of course). Meditate on that for at least thirty minutes or longer. Let it really sink in: when you're asleep, you "know" you're awake--and when you're awake, you "know" you're awake.

      Once you've really become accustomed to that thought--that you really might be sleeping right this moment--it will be much easier to hold that mindset.
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      Could someone give me some more examples of things to look for to remind me to do reality checks?
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      You could use things which you think are common to your dreams, like dream signs (specific people, situations, places or anything you think crops up often etc.), you could also use arbitrary things which are not necessarily exclusive to dreams, but also present in reality (like going into buildings, trees, a particular animal, colour, object etc.). You can create set-times to do them also, like everytime you have dinner, get into your car, enter the workplace, when you wake up etc. or you could also use an app or an alarm to sound throughout the day to remind you to. You can pretty much create any type of reminder.
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      Reminders are cool, but even better is to RC without any reminders. Ofc you can start with the help and they may just start showing in your dreams. But random time RC is cool too, since it doesn't rely on anything specific other than your "omg this is crazy, this could be a dream".

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      Thank you for in-depth guide mate. Appreciate it
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      Quote Originally Posted by Jaywlkrr View Post
      Thank you for in-depth guide mate. Appreciate it
      You are welcome, mate

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