Thread: All Day Awareness, A DILD Tutorial by KingYoshi

Originally Posted by Iriba

Wait a minute, i thought ADA was trying to notice all the senses of your body
so you can just focus one?
And as i see mindfulness is just with yoga
So i start the meditation, and i just focus 1 sense?
There is no need to focus all of them?

You need to spend a great deal more time reading, and less time reaching rash conclusions. Do not try to equate mindfulness with ADA.

Mindfulness is part of yoga, but you don't have to be sitting in a posture to be mindful -- you can "practice mindfulness" all day long. Read about it, and stop responding until you've read thoroughly through Ctharlie's thread and looked at all of the references contained therein.

Originally Posted by FryingMan

You need to spend a great deal more time reading, and less time reaching rash conclusions. Do not try to equate mindfulness with ADA.

Mindfulness is part of yoga, but you don't have to be sitting in a posture to be mindful -- you can "practice mindfulness" all day long. Read about it, and stop responding until you've read thoroughly through Ctharlie's thread and looked at all of the references contained therein.

mindfulness is just self-awareness then.
to feel that i'm here in this world, i'm doing something
my emotions, what i'm hearing, feeling, etc...

FryingMan is right - though I would go farther. You need to not only read about it, but do it. Start meditating using the mindfulness practice. Learn how to calm your thoughts and feelings, to observe them without becoming attached. Learn to calm the monkey mind. It's clear that you need to do this, because this thread is full of monkey mind acrobatics - flipping and jumping and screeching… always wanting to know "but why?" "but how?" "but but but… "

This is the passive aggressive part of your mind that will always try to sabotage you. Mindfulness is about learning to ignore this part of the mind. When you can ignore it it will eventually leave you alone (this is how trolls operate and this part of your mind is a troll plain and simple), and then you will be calm and at peace. And in the right frame of mind for lucid dreaming. Stop asking questions, stop making excuses - go and do.

Originally Posted by Darkmatters

FryingMan is right - though I would go farther. You need to not only read about it, but do it. Start meditating using the mindfulness practice. Learn how to calm your thoughts and feelings, to observe them without becoming attached. Learn to calm the monkey mind. It's clear that you need to do this, because this thread is full of monkey mind acrobatics - flipping and jumping and screeching… always wanting to know "but why?" "but how?" "but but but… "

This is the passive aggressive part of your mind that will always try to sabotage you. Mindfulness is about learning to ignore this part of the mind. When you can ignore it it will eventually leave you alone (this is how trolls operate and this part of your mind is a troll plain and simple), and then you will be calm and at peace. And in the right frame of mind for lucid dreaming. Stop asking questions, stop making excuses - go and do.

so mindfulness is just calming down your thoughts?
but i'm not that kinda rushed and all panic-guy when it comes to problems and stuff.
i just zone out from awareness because my mind starts to get tired to paying atention
to so much senses at the same time. and i always wanted to ask this
Do you need really to pay attention to all your senses to ADA work on dreams?

Originally Posted by Iriba

so mindfulness is just calming down your thoughts?
but i'm not that kinda rushed and all panic-guy when it comes to problems and stuff.
i just zone out from awareness because my mind starts to get tired to paying atention
to so much senses at the same time. and i always wanted to ask this

Go read the references given to you 20 times over, and come to your own conclusion.

Do you need really to pay attention to all your senses to ADA work on dreams?

I recommend (for the fifth time?) you give ADA a break and look into the other things we're suggesting to you.

Mindfulness meditation is about calming your thoughts and feelings - I haven't read Ctharlie's thread about how he applies it to lucid dreaming practice, but I think it would be a good idea to learn about mindfulness meditation (also called Vipassana meditation). It teaches you to ignore the tricks the mind plays, always asking "but why?" - which of course can be an endless game. Each answer can easily be followed again by "but why?"

I think you should do mindfulness meditation every day for up to 20 minutes or so - longer after a while if you can. It makes you feel very calm and centered. But also do whatever Ctharlie suggests in his thread. It sounds like it's more about maintaining the mindfulness during normal daily activities. I think doing the meditation will help you to achieve the mindful state and understand it, so you'll know what kind of state you're supposed to have throughout the day.

At some point it's necessary to stop the endless flow of questions and doubts and just start doing it. The only way you learn about mindfulness is by practicing it. Read Ctharlie's thread and start doing what he recommends. Mindfulness is not the same as ADA - they are different techniques. Forget about ADA and work on mindfulness instead. The reason people don't like the ADA technique is exactly because it's so hard to maintain concentration all day. In fact it's impossible - the best a person can do is to keep coming back to awareness when they notice they've slipped. We are not perfect machines that can be completely 'on' all the time.

^^ The Ctharlie thread is not so much a mindfulness "how to" (but there's some of that with individual anecdotes) but sort of a jam session discussion about it, variations, resources, etc. It's a great place to learn about it, it got me really excited to dive whole-heartedly into it.

Ok, I've looked at the OP on Ctharlie's mindfulness thread - it looks like an excellent resource, with lots of links listed. That should definitely get a person started off right!

I see where the discreptancy arose, FryingMan, and the misconception came about due to my incorrect assumption of ADA...specifically with regards to the name.
I guess if it where akin to mindfulness it would be called ADSA.(All day *Self* Awareness)

If you guys are keen to go down the rabbit hole, I suggest attending a 10 Day silent Vipassana meditation retreat taught by S.N Goenka.
The first 3 days you focus on "Anapana Sati", concentrating the mind using using breath and sensations on the upper lip.
The last 7 days consist of incrementally building upon Vipassana, using the microcasm of your bodily sensations.
This isn't just a informative article you read, intellectualize about, or implement for a mere 20 minutes now and then.
Tis an immersive experience.
Its intensive, consisting of 10 hours in the meditation hall a day, waking up at 4 am and no human communication whatsoever(eye contact, gestures etc), no reading , no writing, no computers or internet,no cellular devices,no mental stimulation or distraction whatsoever...just you, your thoughts and your practice...for 10 days.
The latter part of the course consists of sittings where any movement is disccouraged, and you are taught to disassociate from the excruciating pain which transpires.
No craving or aversion,just pure observation.
Your perception of reality is slowly shattered.Time blurs.Feeling sometimes as though you are going insane.Your dreams become extremely vivid, charged and borderline prophetic.
The practice truly builds a strong obedient mind.
And the "practice" soon translates to you waking life.

It is, after all, Gautama Buddha's greatest gift to humanity.


Its based on donation, and there are meditation centres all around the world.

The most painful and pleasururable of my life, but alas a true life changer.


Vipassana Meditation

^^ Sounds intense! Not sure it's for me but it's good to know about it. I'm still working on making it to 15 minutes without fidgeting or thinking about the time, so I've a ways to go

I was worse off when I started, not being able to sit for 5 minutes.
I'm not saying I'm a meditation guru now...I'm far from it.
But its the sort of mental bootcamp that really kicks your arse into gear, no matter what level your'e on.
Highly recommend it,and its free/based on donation.
A thorough cultivation of specific nonjudgmental awareness of present-moment stimuli without cognitive elaboration..aka Mindfulness.

And it's for everyone. Unless you are a fully liberated Buddha that has trancended Samsara ofcourse.

Ok, so it happened today. it lasted 7 minutes
It was my first time meditating.
And i sitted normal, i didn't use that meditation poses (i hope it's not need to)

So i closed my eyes, and started to breath.
I could feel my air flux into my throat and reach my lungs
i also felt my rib cage expanding and compressing.
i felt i was breathing the cold and fresh air coming from atmosphere.
after 2 minutes, some little problem popped on my head, but i immediately
ignored that and went back to focus on breathe.
And this continued for more 5 minutes.

Now that i've done meditation, What should i do?

facepalm

Originally Posted by Kaizen

facepalm

Why facepalm?

Doctor: I'm concerned about your kidneys, you really need to drink water.
Guy: Ok.
- Guy drinks a glass of water -
Guy: I drank water, what should I do now?
Doctor:

Originally Posted by dreambh

Doctor: I'm concerned about your kidneys, you really need to drink water.
Guy: Ok.
- Guy drinks a glass of water -
Guy: I drank water, what should I do now?
Doctor:

Still don't get it, what's wrong?

Originally Posted by Iriba

Still don't get it, what's wrong?

With anything lucid dreaming related you need to make it a habit for several weeks/months in order for it to work... Well, because dreams' nature, as they tend to incorporate recent experiences, someone may get a couple of lucids in the first few days of trying something, but for a technique/strategy to work consistenly you need far more time.

Anyway, I've seen several of your posts and I think in your case you are not going to benefit from asking around in different threads getting different opinions from different people. You know, a great feature of DreamViews is the Dreamviews Academy where you get one on one help, so why do you not sign up for for this? Dreamviews Academy - DILD Class

I suggest signing up for the Intro Class in the Dreamviews Academy, its the best place to begin and an awesome resource.

Originally Posted by Kaizen

I suggest signing up for the Intro Class in the Dreamviews Academy, its the best place to begin and an awesome resource.

Yes, Iriba, the Intro Class is great and has helped myself a lot. But I suggested the DILD Class because I think there is usually less students and therefore the teachers will probably be able to help you more... and you have already invested a lot of time in DILD anyway.
Just have a look at both of them, and choose the one that you like more.

Originally Posted by dreambh

Yes, Iriba, the Intro Class is great and has helped myself a lot. But I suggested the DILD Class because I think there is usually less students and therefore the teachers will probably be able to help you more... and you have already invested a lot of time in DILD anyway.
Just have a look at both of them, and choose the one that you like more.

thanks for suggestion, I'll try there

Good luck mate, keep us posted on your progress

I have been practicing ADA for a week.

From the beggining I had longer and more vivid dreams and also more realistic.

Yesterday I had a LD (I have had only 4 in one year). I don't know if was due to ADA or because I had supermotivation because I have been trying WILD too. But the LD was completely a DILD, so I hope it was caused by ADA.

In the dream I was walking by the street and I wanted to make a Fly RC. But there were a mother and her son, and I was embarrased to do that in front of them so I hide and try to fly. At the beggining I levitated a little bit ant I thought,uhmm....weird, but was not sure so I tryed again and then BAM! lucid dream. It was the first LD that I try to stabilize and I succeded. It was a little bit short but I think is because I was very exiceted.

I really like this method, I hope to get more results. I'll continue practicing it along with WILD.

I will let you know if I get more results.

Thank you yoshi.

Hi again.

New LD one weak later. This time it was very very short and it faded to black too soon. I was in a lift an suddenly realised it was a dream. I tryed to stabilise but I failed.

Originally Posted by vuduchild

Hi again.

New LD one weak later. This time it was very very short and it faded to black too soon. I was in a lift an suddenly realised it was a dream. I tryed to stabilise but I failed.

If it faded quite quick then either you were at end of your rem period or you became too excited and destabilized dream before even being able to stabilize it maybe?
I'd suggest you reading up this thread:
Dream Stabilization and Clarity Tutorial - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views
And remember to keep your head up.
Stabilization might be at first troublesome but worry not as you you will attempt more and more stabilizations in dreams you will begin discover what works best and what does not
I myself not so long ago figured out that my dreams can be quite nicely stabilized by engaging touch sense. You know touching the wall, feeling it's texture, material, friction etc.
- Goodluck