I tend to belong to this camp of thought on SSILD, not entirely, but most of the way. If you're awake, intending to lucid dream, and can hang your awareness somewhere so you can do this while you return to sleep, well that's great. Even if that's all that SSILD is, a particular mental anchor, then it's still something useful! In the end, does it really matter that "SSILD works" or not as long as the end result is lucidity? |
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FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
FryingMan's Dream Recall Tips -- Awesome Links
“No amount of security is worth the suffering of a mediocre life chained to a routine that has killed your dreams.”
"...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS
My Lucid Dreaming Articles/Tutorials:
Mindfulness - An Alternative Approach to ADA
Intent in Lucid Dreaming; Break that Dry-Spell, Escape the Technique Rut
Always, no sometimes think it's me,
But you know I know when it's a dream
I think I know I mean a yes
But it's all wrong
That is I think I disagree
-John Lennon
I was recently very astonished to read the dream yoga practice section of "The Tibetan Yogas of Dream and Sleep". Written in 1998, it mentions what we call in our language: frequent WBTB (every 2 hours), setting strong intention at bedtime to lucid dream and recall dreams and have vivid dreams, day memory review considering the memories as dreams (MILD), quieting the mind before bed, meditation (of course), learning concentration, and using concrete visualizations when falling asleep (WILD -- mental anchors), reviewing dreams upon waking (MILD), feeling joy at experiencing lucid dreams and remembering dreams (positive mindset), and daytime awareness/reflection on the nature of reality as a dream (reflection). |
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FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
FryingMan's Dream Recall Tips -- Awesome Links
“No amount of security is worth the suffering of a mediocre life chained to a routine that has killed your dreams.”
"...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS
FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
FryingMan's Dream Recall Tips -- Awesome Links
“No amount of security is worth the suffering of a mediocre life chained to a routine that has killed your dreams.”
"...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS
It may be asked already but i can't find it: Do I have to wake up after 4 - 5 hours at the beginning of a REM period, already in a REM period, or at the end? |
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Okay, so scratch that post I made last night, about how SSILD had stopped working after initial success. Maybe calling it out publicly helped re-establish my motivation, or maybe I just needed an extra-long WBTB to counteract habituation, but last night I had good results again. |
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^^ Yes, finding and forming that deep, true, strong, pure intent is at the heart of success at LDing. I don't think it's attached to any technique, it's just you! |
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FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
FryingMan's Dream Recall Tips -- Awesome Links
“No amount of security is worth the suffering of a mediocre life chained to a routine that has killed your dreams.”
"...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS
FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
FryingMan's Dream Recall Tips -- Awesome Links
“No amount of security is worth the suffering of a mediocre life chained to a routine that has killed your dreams.”
"...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS
I keep losing focus. I concentrate on sight, then hearing and then touch, just as explained, but on the second cycle my thoughts start to wander, and I never get that sleepy feeling. What am I doing wrong? |
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Lucid Dreaming goals [X] Have LD [x] Control Dream [x] Have gravity induced LD [x] Stabilize LD [] Talk with my deceased father [] Talk with different Ego States
Elaol's DILD workbook - my lucid dreaming journey
From your description, it sounds like you are still on the faster cycles when this happens, but either way the following suggestion would be step 1 before the faster cycles and slower cycles. This is nothing official, but I have been using SSILD for over a year and have a hunch on what may help you. The following should make it easier to keep focused on the progression through the cycles. Basically you switch between the senses faster as a kind of warm up to doing the regular faster and slower SSILD cycle. Focus on sight during 2 breaths, hearing during the next 2 breaths, then touch with the next 2 breaths. Repeat several times until it feels almost automatic and then you can progress to the regular 15-20 second fast cycles before going on to the longer ones. You could even try one breath each, but I would say try 2 first. You can also practice during the day, but it sounds like sleepiness is not the problem. |
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It sounded like he wasn't able to get to the 2nd and 3rd senses at all, so the wandering thoughts seemed to be too much. I find the waking life worry type of wandering thoughts counter-productive. Perhaps he meant the 2nd or slower cycles were the ones he wasn't able to get to. Now if you start getting the beginning of dreams - those kind of wandering thoughts then you should be approaching sleep and hopefully also getting "that sleepy feeling" he mentioned never getting to. Basically when using SSILD for DILDs, the basic idea is to complete the cycles and doze off. |
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Something important for every newbie: http://www.dreamviews.com/general-lu...-read-imo.html
Listen while you work or before bed? http://www.dreamviews.com/dreamviews-podcast/
More great audio: http://www.dreamviews.com/dreamviews-audio/
My lucid dreaming journey: http://www.dreamviews.com/members/fo...boutme#aboutme
Let me try to address some of the questions I saw since my last visit here. |
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I sometimes end up waking after SSILD, but more often than not, like WILD or any other technique, I just end up falling asleep. SSILD does up my recall and dream vividness as seems to be the consensus for others in these forums. |
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After 1 month trying it, no LD. Strange dreams, but no LD. |
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Lately i've been having this chills/shivers that happen to me when trying to SSILD. After WBTB i will go back to bed, lay down, start relaxing and start doing the cycles. As i do more cycles and my trance deepens, in the middle of my back this waves of chills/shivers will start and then sometimes spread up to my head, down my legs or just back area. They feel as if you are slightly cold but the room isn't cold. If i roll on my side and continue to sleep normally, i don't get them, only when i do SSILD. |
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Last edited by Imaginary; 10-07-2014 at 07:32 PM.
I've got a big problem with SSILD. I do use the technique sporadically and I'm fairly surely it improves my dream vividness. I'm also sure cosmic has brought something new to the LD world's table. The problem I have is, nobody can say for sure how it works but everyone seems to accept the current form of the technique as THE finalised technique, like it's a finished product. Surely if we're not sure how something really works that leaves room for improvement and we should all be tweaking/experimenting like mad? Cosmic did a lot of the development of SSILD and experimenting on a Chinese language forum but I'm left with the feeling that we, at dreamviews, are not privy to the experimenting that's gone on - we're only left with the final, "perfected" version. |
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My LDing record, if you want to hear about it, is about 4 WILDs, 1 DEILD, and the rest DILDs.
Not everybody, look through this thread and elsewhere on the forums you'll find lots of variants. LDing is all about adapting approaches to yourself. I used SSILD as one of my bag-of-tricks techniques to calming my mind and displacing thoughts in order to approach sleep. In doing so I usually only spend 1 breath on each of the 3 senses. By using a "one breath" switch I can avoid the (even tiny) mental activity required to determine if it's time to switch yet. For me, maintaining awareness is not the issue, it's getting to sleep, so this works for me. |
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FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
FryingMan's Dream Recall Tips -- Awesome Links
“No amount of security is worth the suffering of a mediocre life chained to a routine that has killed your dreams.”
"...develop stability in awareness and your dreams will change in extraordinary ways" -- TYoDaS
I totally agree that more experiments are needed in order to improve the technique, and I'd never claim the current version is final and "perfected". As for why and how it works I feel that all theories are essentially hypothesis until science understands what lucid dreaming really is, and that applies to just about all techniques. Therefore, even though there are no lack of people who claim to know exactly how the technique works, I have always told them to keep an open mind and consider other possibilities. |
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Last edited by anderj101; 10-25-2014 at 03:24 PM. Reason: Merged 2 posts.
Straight-up SSILD worked great for me the first few times, but shortly afterwards habituation set in and thwarted my success. I think I get habituated to techniques way too easily! (For instance, FILD worked for me literally once, the very first time, but not on a single occasion after that. My mind was like, "Whatever. Fingers. Got it. Going to sleep now.") |
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trying this technique in the morning, aaaand real wake up with crossed vision (crossed eyes too for a few minutes) |
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