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      Using random number generation to catch false awakenings

      Most of you have probably already seen some threads on the idea of having audio files playing during sleep to induce lucidity.

      Well, my interest has come back to that idea, after thinking of some modifications to it that I'd like to try:
      1) Instead of having a preset audio track, put together a large collection of varied phrases, and have it randomized each time to make it more interesting to listen to. This should hopefully reduce the amount your brain ignores the messages.

      For example, you could have entries added for each of your friends and family members, and people from dream-views. Perhaps hearing their names mixed in with lucid dreaming keywords will break the phrases out of the "ignore" pile, to have you actually think about them more while in-dream. Especially if the names used are for people that appear commonly in your dreams.

      What's nice is that a text-to-speech engine is used to speak the phrases, so you don't need to find and record a human voice actor for each phrase. (we could also try having it randomly change the pitch, speed, and volume of the text-to-speech voice, to make it more interesting to your dreaming self)

      2) Find a way to embed reality-checks within the messages that doesn't require any movement or heavy mental focus. The idea is to have you still fall asleep, but just lightly monitoring the messages for if the passive reality-check ever starts failing, and revealing itself as just a dream replica. This will help you catch false awakenings without having to break your deepened state by doing nose-plug tests or the like.

      Now some might be wondering what a passive, audio-based reality check would look like.

      I think there are a few different candidates, but this one currently seems most promising:
      * Every minute or so, have the app generate a random number, and use the text-to-speech engine to speak it. Not just any random number, however: it has to be a four digit number, and either all four digits have to be even, or all four digits have to be odd. So 1539 is valid, as is 2044, but not 1948.

      Now what this does is it forces your brain to try to replicate the random number generation every minute--else it wouldn't match your sleep conditions, and you'd know you were in a false awakening. If it does replicate the random number generation, then it has to generate those numbers very carefully. It can't just spew random nonsense, like it normally does, else 90% (technically 87.5%) of the time it would give a number that's a mix of evens and odds, and you'd be tipped off to the number's source. It also can't just give the same number each time, as the numbers are supposed to be random each time. (if it becomes a problem, we can modify the app's random number generator to ensure that the same number is never given twice in the same session)

      I'm honestly very curious whether the subconscious mind is capable of playing the game above, and generating consistently valid matches to the "either all even or all odd" challenge. If it is, then well-played, subconscious. If not, then we've gotcha.

      What's nice is it's pretty easy to evaluate whether a number matches (I've tried it the last two sleep sessions, and could do it fine for as long as my memory recorded), but at the same time, it's something that you have to evaluate after-the-fact, so your subconscious mind can't just generate whatever you're thinking of consciously. It's forced to do the generation itself, and you just act as a lazy evaluator of that number a couple seconds afterward.

      Anyway, I'll be trying it the next couple weeks and recording my results here. I've tried it in two sleep sessions so far, and while it hasn't triggered lucidity either of those times, I do have shadowed memories from both times of hearing numbers generated while in-dream, or at least on the verge of ones (one was in-bed, another with me floating above a video game space station). I was probably just too brain-dead/dream-focused to pay attention in those moments, but I'm hoping that with enough nights of having random numbers playing continually, I'll grow to have some persistent knowledge of what those numbers mean (i.e. as dream signs/tests) and remember to evaluate them out of habit.

      Then, lucidity every night! : P (as if... )

      Let me know if any of you want to join me. I don't currently have the app uploaded to Google Play, but I can if others have interest in it. (I'll be uploading it soon anyway, but this would prompt me to do it a bit sooner)
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      Attempt 1: no results

      Success rate: 0/1
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      Attempt 2: interesting, partial success!

      This time I added randomization on the voice's pitch, and it seemed to make my subconscious focus on it much more. Instead of passing it off like an alarm, it integrated it into the dream as the dream's narrator/storyteller. I was still too stupid to remember the meaning of the numbers thoroughly, but the dream took off with it, and used the alternating deep and high voice to say all sorts of things interspersed with the actual number reading.

      For example, it was telling an interesting story about this group of travelers that had fighting amongst a man's sons for leadership, and having to get past various terrain challenges.

      It also caused my brain to cast the voices as a story, but one which I was listening to (yet also finding myself in alternately), with me in bed... but someone else listening to the story with me. So it had two scenarios going on, and I interacted in both. (for example, person in room wanted me to pause at one point and rewind the story to a part she didn't understand)

      It also made a joke, I think: "If a man, wearing red shoes outside a department store, found himself with his hand on a woman's purse, what would he do?" (suggesting running away and stealing it) "Nothing! He'd have more to be concerned about than the purse."

      Anyway, off to try attempt 3. (If I can fall asleep again)

      Success rate: 1/2

      P.S. Oh, the reason I count it as a success is because I also had a short bit of lucidity right at the end (it's actually what caused me to awake I think): when the story said they entered a huge field of hay, I saw visuals of it, and felt the "dream sense", so started flying toward it with budding awareness that I was dreaming. Thinking on this track, I sadly caused the visuals to fade, and found myself back in bed, with robot-voice. (it sounds like a robot when it changes tone all the time, haha) I could maybe have gotten back in, but I wanted to record the first partial success rather than enjoy the individual lucid dream.
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      Attempt 3: success

      I had two false awakenings this time, with both of them caused by number prompts. (whether real or dreamt)

      This was also the first time where I successfully performed an evaluation of one of the number prompts. And interestingly, it successfully passed the "all either even or odd" requirement. (they were all even)

      Now either that was a real prompt from my tablet, or it was one generated by my subconscious. If generated by my subconscious, then that's one data-piece in favor of it being able to understand and emulate my pattern requirement. If not, then that's fine, although my (admittedly hazy) memory thought the number ended with "0 2", and my app's number-generation log doesn't seem to contain such a number in the last few minutes.

      Here's the log from the part I was lucid in: (I know because a "Peter Pan" prompt occurred shortly before falling asleep; the peoples' names are mostly family and friends, by the way, you can ignore them)

      Spoiler for Dream prompts log:

      [2016-12-31 13:48:40.289, general] Name: Racquel Yae Number: 7 3 5 1
      [2016-12-31 13:50:40.298, general] Name: The pope Number: 3 1 7 1
      [2016-12-31 13:52:40.302, general] Name: Peter Pan Number: 0 4 6 2
      [2016-12-31 13:54:40.307, general] Name: Hukif Number: 4 2 2 2
      [2016-12-31 13:56:40.316, general] Name: Donald Trump Number: 8 2 2 2
      [2016-12-31 13:58:40.326, general] Name: Davey Wicklund Number: 6 0 0 2
      [2016-12-31 14:00:40.328, general] Name: Arthur Yae Number: 0 6 2 2
      [2016-12-31 14:02:40.352, general] Name: Jaren Wicklund Number: 6 0 2 4
      [2016-12-31 14:04:40.341, general] Name: Donald Trump Number: 5 9 3 9
      [2016-12-31 14:06:40.342, general] Name: Grace Wicklund Number: 2 4 6 4
      [2016-12-31 14:08:40.349, general] Name: Drew Yae Number: 3 7 7 1
      [2016-12-31 14:10:40.360, general] Name: Grace Wicklund Number: 5 1 3 3
      [2016-12-31 14:12:40.358, general] Name: Bahrock Obama Number: 6 0 4 8
      [2016-12-31 14:14:40.363, general] Name: Arthur Yae Number: 5 9 9 3
      [2016-12-31 14:16:40.373, general] Name: Gab Number: 3 7 3 5
      [2016-12-31 14:18:40.377, general] Name: Monica Wicklund Number: 0 2 6 0
      [2016-12-31 14:20:40.384, general] Name: Drew Yae Number: 6 6 0 4


      I won't be able to sleep for quite a while, unfortunately, so the next test will have to wait a good 10 hours or so--which is one drawback of doing lucid dream experiments: having to learn patience.

      Success rate: 2/3
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      Attempt 4: success

      Though it wasn't very interesting--at least the part I can remember. It was one of those "minimal" lucids, where you realize you're dreaming, but don't take advantage of the fact or remember dream goals and such. I did have one false-awakening that I recognized and returned-to-lucid from, but that's about all I remember well. I may have also heard one number prompt, but I forget now as I fell back asleep (without having the app enabled) after that.

      Success rate: 3/4
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      Attempt 5: success

      Dream entry: (names replaced with first letter from now on)
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      =went on swing in back yard, looking at huge trees
      Compared them to pine some friends had showed us just a bit before, which was very tall, and sparse at the top
      While swinging, I realized I was dreaming and looked in awe around me as I swung higher and higher.
      Noticed that visuals bent and such when I swung up high and looked at the open blue sky and tree tops
      =flew around old backyard, and then over road area where huge creature was
      Did this as decision to face fear in dreams (had minor fear of the huge mink-like creature). Went well, had a blast flying, and it just acted like an animal, going around.
      =arrived back in bed, heard voice say "M says..." and then what I thought was a phrase, but forgot it now
      On seeing log, I think it was just the "M says... 2 0 2 2" line, but I just understood the second half as a phrase (not that odd, the text is occasionally ambiguous even while awake)


      Success rate: 4/5
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      Attempt 6: success

      Spoiler for Dream entry:
      =expressed thanks to caretaker group who cared for baby (there were four babies we'd found and had to leave on the doorsteps of places, and we had come back to make sure they were okay; there were four such groups, in all; not sure if all visited)
      =expressed thanks to second caretaker group who took care of next
      they said they couldn't leave child alone; it was hard, but they managed. and now people give so many donations they're rich!
      =lady showed money jar, and i saw and touched nickels inside
      =snapped back into bed, and asked lady questions, but despite visuals I didn't feel it was distinct enough from imagination, so ended that (forget if went into dream again, a fa, or just started wakeup transition)


      Not sure how much earlier from the in-dream-bed part was lucid, but that part definitely was, as I was weighing whether her responses as a DC were clear enough from my imagination to count toward "subconscious experiments/questioning" when I couldn't see her. (and I know I was still in-dream because it was pitch black, whereas in fact it's still daytime; there were also visuals when she tried responding to questions, and even people cheering and such who had come with me to the caretaker groups)

      That said, it was not a full-blown/taken-advantage-of lucid, as I either didn't remember my main dream goals, or I decided to forgo them for some reason.

      Success rate: 5/6
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      Attempt 7: was close, but failure

      The end of the regular part of my dream had me arguing with someone else about their policies "managing" volunteers for something. Then something caused me to snap back into my bed.

      I then realized I'd been dreaming, of course. Sometime in the next minute or so, I wound up looking here on DreamViews and reading through this thread in fact.

      Then... I woke up for real, when a number prompt played. I knew I woke for real then because: 1) The sound of my fan faded in. 2) The weight-feeling of my body faded in. (I think I had some weight-feeling in-dream, but it was different and not as strong)

      Sad because if I had remembered to do the "roll out of bed", I probably would have gotten an LD! (as the dream was vivid, and my mind felt prepared for one)

      Success rate: 5/7
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      Attempt 8: weak success

      I had another minimal lucid, where I recognized I was dreaming and exerted some dream control, but didn't remember/work-toward my planned dream goals.

      Also, had an interesting case this time of the number prompt being spoken by a dc, simply and matter-of-factly. (and it was valid)

      Success rate: 6/8

      P.S. Don't drink a Starbucks Mocha just before going to sleep. I've never actually confirmed the effect of caffeine on sleep in an experimental/statistical way, but today would seem to support it. Took me about 4/5 hours to get to sleep despite having been pretty tired. Will have to experiment with this more in the future to confirm. (or look up statistical studies on its effects or something, as well as info on how much it varies per person)
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      Attempt 9: weak success

      Again had a lucid dream, but failed to remember my main dream goals.

      And there are some things I've been really wanting to try too!

      Spoiler for Dream entry:
      =in Anne of Green Gables + Cinderella setting (don't ask me why)
      i realize i'm lucid dreaming, when something occurs [specifics withheld...]
      i make someone mad accidentally, and decide to leave for downstairs
      am with family and some friends, and look at some interesting rc helicopters at store
      while they're wating for something, I do some of a jumping/suspending in air maneuver (lucidity was mostly lost here)
      we go outside
      i use my suspending maneuver to fly up from the buildings over a large park area
      apparently these little chipmunk like creatures didn't want me to fly and leave, so they tried to stop me
      somehow i got reset in building, and decided to leave through use of holding a large sheet of styrofoam to the wind
      tried it and it worked, i was flying above city (place looked like beaches in florida) [regained lucidity somewhat at this point]
      eventually flew to other part in town, and to avoid the pursuers longer, used function on tablet to "warp" to another city, namely tokyo
      made it there, though somehow they end up getting to me anyway
      =i'm now in a bed, and the chipmunk guys are trying to keep me from teleporting, but I do so anyway by shaking my head/eyes and focusing on another location
      i find myself in mall/supermarket place [lucidity regained here, as i "awoke" from bed but I knew I was still dreaming]
      looked for something fun to do (annoying because I didn't think of my lucid dream goals again...)
      decided to find the yummiest food in the store and eat it
      found some chips and cookies, but avoided as i'd probably be suspected of stealing if eating food off shelves [which yeah, is just in-dream, but is still annoying cause they interrupt you]
      looked for food court instead, and saw sign for one, but it ended up not being food place...
      further dreaming, where lucidity faded mostly [involved a talking dinosaur who didn't seem to like me, so we battled (along with a talking taxi...), with neither of us actually getting defeated]


      Success rate: 7/9
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      Attempt 10: success... for five seconds

      Spoiler for Dream entry:
      Hear a number prompt
      After about 1.5 minutes (30 seconds before next prompt) (or what felt like it anyway), dad comes in and asks me to get up when ready to help mom set up her new computer
      I look over, and he's set it down: a massive, 5 foot tall frame with like 3 graphics cards
      I get up, and turn off my number-prompt app and bluetooth speaker
      I'm about ready to go, when I snap back into bed, and hear the same voice that said the last number prompt (i.e. same tone, speed, and volume) say "Your movement woke you back up".
      I instantly know it's not programmed to say that, and so know I'm in a dream/false awakening.
      I try over the next few seconds to break the false awakening and get back into the dream world, but get impatient/too-forceful and wake myself up for real.


      So yeah, another very lame, momentary lucid; at least this time I was mentally ready to take advantage of it, but this time the problem was a failure to disconnect from my real body (i.e. its sensory input) in a shallow false awakening. Raduga's techniques are exactly what I needed here, but I didn't get results in the first few seconds, so got impatient and accidentally broke the situation. (tried to move my legs slowly and gently off the bed... )

      Probably I need to do some more mental conditioning for when I first become lucid; I have a good enough induction rate, but most of the time I instantly botch it. I'll look into this more once I've tested this technique further. (I'm aiming for 30 lucids with this technique in lock-down before I begin branching out, i.e. optimizing the technique, recording clear instructions, and working on my mental preparation to better handle the weak lucid situations this technique seems to often produce)

      Success rate: 8/10

      P.S. Sorry the delay from the last attempt was so long. Both of the last two night's main sleeps were unattempted because I fell asleep accidentally before turning the app on. I was annoyed that I missed last night's as well, so I struggled and finally managed to get back to sleep for a nap just now; it paid off, although this might also be why my dream was so shallow/easy to break.
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      Pretty interesting.
      I'm not sure to understand one thing: when exactly (and how long) do you start the random play every minute?
      Is that all night long?
      If yes how do you even manage to fall asleep and how do you manage not to be done with this invading audio all night long?
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      I start the number prompts whenever I lie down to sleep (well, when I feel like it). The number prompts then occur every 2 minutes, and yes, all night long (or however long I sleep anyway).

      How do I manage to fall asleep? It's not actually that hard. The prompt is loud enough to hear the words, but not so loud it's jarring. It does have some impact on fall-asleep time, but not enough to be an issue. (I'd say it increases the fall-asleep time by ~30%)

      Likewise, it's quiet enough to not be disturbing during your sleep. (i.e. it doesn't wake you up from dreams--unless by way of lucidity and then a botched attempt : P)

      So yeah, so far it's been successfully treading the line between too quiet to have effect, and too loud to stay asleep; I plan to continue testing it till at least 30 lucids, to see if the induction rate holds up throughout that period.
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      Attempt 11: failure

      This attempt was cut short (to 1-2 hours), so perhaps it would have succeeded if uninterrupted, but oh well. I'll just try again tonight.

      One interesting thing this attempt was a lot of odd perceptions of the number prompts this attempt. At least a half dozen times, I was confused because I kept hearing... oddness mixed in with the prompts. For example, the numbers kept getting slurred more than normal, with me barely being able to make out the digits. And a number of times the voice seemed almost dreamlike, in that it seemed partially receptive to my emotional state. I thought I might be in a false awakening a few times, and perhaps I was, although the times I checked I wasn't.

      Anyway, it was interesting, but a failure overall. I did have some vivid non-lucids, but because of the interruptions I didn't have a chance to go back through my memories of it or record it. Anyway: onward to the 30 lucid mark!

      Success rate: 8/11
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      Attempt 12: success (and this time a "real" lucid, with me accomplishing two of my dream goals)

      Spoiler for Dream entry:

      Am in car, driving to "our new house", which is apparently out in the country somewhat, to meet our grandparents.
      We see house, park, and walk in, and see family and friends.
      I realize I'm dreaming.
      I remember i had dream goals, and try to remember them.
      I focus, and after a few seconds am able to remember, "Oh yes, it's "What is your greatest secret?"."
      I look around me for my first target, R, and see her sitting with a couple of dream/fake friends on the couch toward the windows/mountains.
      I walk up, grab her attention, and ask "What is your greatest secret, R?". She takes just a second, then responds, "Turning to ice"--while doing so, a vision also appears of her on an area covered in snow, with her in thick eskimo furs but seemingly still close to freezing. This doesn't really seem like a "secret", unless it's like a secret fear or something...

      Anyway, I then look for A amonst the circle of people. I see someone I think is him, but as I get closer it turns out to be another dream person.
      I keep looking, and see someone with a hood over his head. At first it looks more like H, but as I get closer, I focus my mind to "expect" it to be A, and as he takes off his hood, it ends up being so. (he was smiling for some reason)
      I ask him, "A, what is your greatest secret?" He answers quietly, a single two-syllable word. I don't quite hear him the first time, so I ask him to repeat, and he says a little clearer, "Contempt."
      I'm interested in asking more, but decide it's good enough for now, and join the dream inhabitants relaxing in our dream living room, with a large deck outside, open hills, and far off lake with mountains.


      I would have liked if their dream selves had elaborated more on their meaning, but at least I remembered the right question and their answers this time. Maybe later I'll revisit and ask for a full explanation of those answers. But for now: "Turning to ice" and "Contempt".

      Success rate: 9/12
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      Attempt 13: success

      Another weak lucid, but it was there. Realized I was dreaming when I light switch kept failing to work. Also had an interesting talk with my electronic devices, before that, where we discussed a possible future apocalypse from how advanced our devices were becoming.

      (This dream was earlier this night, but I accidentally fell asleep while preparing to record it! So I lost the chance to try another attempt during the last three hours.)

      Success rate: 10/13
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      The sleep graphs? They're from my S+ sleep tracker. See here.

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      Attempt 14: weak lucid

      Another weak lucid. Realized I was dreaming when I entered a shop, and then proceeded to collect and eat all the best foods; told myself "I should do this more often in lucids!". Failed to remember waking-life dream goals.

      This is becoming enough of a pattern that I think I'll start separating the lucids into "weak" and "full" categories.

      Full lucids are dreams in which I realize I'm dreaming, and:
      1) It lasts for more than a few seconds
      2) And I do one of the following: A) Substantially access daytime memories. B) Remember my daytime dream goals.

      Weak lucids are dreams in which I realize I'm dreaming, but not both of the conditions above are met.

      Success rate: 11/14 (9 weak, 2 full)
      Current induction technique: Forced Brief Awakening (FBA) Induction Technique - Early Testing
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      Maybe I should try this technique!
      I also wonder whether your body is making up the noises (expectation) or reality!
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      Quote Originally Posted by naturespirit View Post
      I also wonder whether your body is making up the noises (expectation) or reality!
      Yeah, I wonder that too. So far I have yet to definitively identify a number that failed the pattern test (which was the intended false-awakening evaluation method), but have had times where the source of the sound was questionable. I think most of them, at least, are real, though; if they're fake, I would expect to see at least a few clear revelations of such over dozens of attempts. (so far I've done ~1 dozen attempts, but will continue as-is until at least the 30 lucid mark)

      As for potentially joining in the tests, that'd be awesome! Like I said, it's not currently released, but won't take too much work to do so. (basically just need to package the existing functionality more nicely, get the UI working on smaller screens, then submit it to the Play app-store)

      Also, what's nice is that it doesn't need any special hardware, so it doesn't really have a price barrier (other than an Android device, which most people have). It is easier to do with a bluetooth speaker under your pillow, for consistency's sake and keeping it quieter for anyone in the next room, but it should also work fine just on a standalone Android phone/tablet.

      Anyway, the results so far have been different than what I expected. I'm only getting about half of the full-lucids that I expected, but the success rate for lucid dreams in general is pretty surprising: 79% at the moment! Even though those lucids are not currently very usable, I believe I can learn to convert them into full lucids, at which point it's actually not that far from the goal of lucid dreams every night. I've decided to temper my excitement until the 30 lucid mark, however, as it is fairly common for lucid dream techniques to drop off in effectiveness after the first couple weeks. But this is certainly the most promising path I've so far tried for a long-term, substantial boost to nightly lucidity.
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      This sounds very interesting. What is the program written in? Is it available to us? If it is, we could add more data

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      Quote Originally Posted by Him View Post
      This sounds very interesting. What is the program written in? Is it available to us? If it is, we could add more data
      The program is mostly written in JavaScript, for easier user-scripting and to take advantage of the wonderful react-native UI framework; but it also uses some Java for interfacing with Android. (and for a couple high-performance sections of code--though most of this is no longer needed)

      It's actually the same app referenced in this thread: Muse headband -- on second look, maybe it's actually pretty good (the screenshots there are fairly outdated, however)

      The above was an attempt at using the Muse EEG headband at night to detect rem-sleep, and then triggering various user-scripted effects. It was actually going fine, but I suspended work on that functionality, as I decided the main deficit atm is not rem-detection but rather what happens in way of signaling the user after that point. (the other reason is that wearing a headband during the night is more uncomfortable than I thought; it's doable, but it was one of the factors in my shifting focus)

      The program is open source (MIT), so it can be forked, compiled, and even monetized by people if they want (though it's preferred of course to combine efforts toward the main app). The code/repository for it can be found here: https://github.com/Venryx/LucidLink (The app is not yet on the Play store, as I'm still experimenting with the ideal configuration for it--I can accelerate the upload process if needed, however)

      And yeah, extension to add more data and functionality is greatly encouraged! There are many features and experiments I'd like to add to the project over the years; in particular, I'd like to get it linked up to a database at some point and allow people to crowdsource statistical studies on the effectiveness of the various techniques, and add a way for people to easily journal their dreams, analyze them, and share them if desired.

      But that's a good ways in the future. For now I'm just using it to study the effectiveness of some variations on techniques, and slowly optimize them for my own use. Later on, if they prove effective for the long-term, I'll attempt to package up what I've learned into an "official technique", and provide it within the app along with instructions. (and later on, with graphs on the success rate for users over time, to encourage people to persist even if they don't get results the first couple of days)
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      Attempt 15: failure

      Had some vivid dreams, but couldn't remember a specific moment were I definitely knew I was dreaming.

      Success rate: 11/15 (9 weak, 2 full)
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      Attempt 16: weak lucid

      This time I realized I was dreaming, and so used my tablet to record dozens of people saying random things into it (including my family and someone like Bill Cosby). I was very excited anticipating when I'd wake up with the recordings as the first of their kind. A cool idea, except for the fact that it DOESN'T WORK.

      Success rate: 12/16 (10 weak, 2 full)

      P.S. Anyone have tips on specifically targeting weak lucids like this? I'm getting them like crazy, but so far have been unable to get that "I'm dreaming" knowledge to reliably transform into a fuller remembrance of my dream goals and everything.
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      Success rate 1/1

      I didn't even use the program and fell asleep. In the dream, there was a DC that said a 4 digit number and I stopped and remembered this thread. I then tried to find if they were all even or odd but then remembered that I never downloaded the thing so it must be a dream.
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      Attempt 17: weak lucid

      Another lucid where I interacted with my dream app, perceiving it as a link between the dream and real world. This is good, as it means memory links are being formed with my lucid-dreaming app (allowing for adding my own "increase clarity" and dc-summoning buttons, dream goal reference menus, etc.), but I still failed to remember my dream goals after this occurred. (perhaps because I was too focused on trying to store and upload the "special, recorded dream data" I had captured...)

      That said, these weak lucids are getting more interesting now, and increase my optimism that I'll eventually be able to convert them into full lucids.

      Spoiler for Dream entry:
      Had false awakening where I turned off the app.
      ==========
      Realized I was dreaming, when I heard a number prompt or something. Don't remember what happened right after this, or if I evaluated it. (I do remember the feeling that something unprecedented in my tests had happened)
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      Looked over data from while asleep, and got excited when I saw it recorded detailed dream-info! (like dialogue, or images or something)
      Left the app to prepare a message or something, but then realized I should have screenshotted the data as a quick backup plan. (I try to be careful with data preservation)
      Went back, and my fears were realized when most of the data was no longer there.
      ==========
      Heard music, realized I was in-dream. My false awakening dream was very shallow, so this simple knowledge started waking me up. In a few seconds, I was apparently awake again; cool thing is that I focused on the music as I woke up, and it faded exactly in-sync into the very quiet real background-music that I have the app playing. (not actually part of the technique, but required to keep the bluetooth speakers from sleeping and therefore missing the first second or so whenever an audio prompt plays)

      I've had this happen before (years ago), but it's interesting because somehow your brain can totally just fade between fake audio and real audio like that. (I know the latter was real, as I half sat up at that point, and have remained awake recollecting the dream since)


      Success rate: 13/17 (11 weak, 2 full)
      Current induction technique: Forced Brief Awakening (FBA) Induction Technique - Early Testing
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