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      Finger Induced Lucid Dream (FILD)

      FILD (Finger Induced Lucid Dream)

      Short Version:

      Simplified Directions:

      The Setup:
      1. Go to sleep. It's that simple.. No hypnosis or visualization required.
      2. To perform this technique, you have to be extremely close to falling asleep. The best time is either in the middle of the night, or in the morning. However, using this technique in the morning can often cause shorter LDs.
      3. If you want to try FILD during the night, you have to find some way to wake up. There are various methods.. Find one that works for you.
      4. Once you wake up, the first thing that should be on your mind is the FILD technique. Immediately relax, and try to go back to sleep how you normally would. The goal here is to get to the point just before you fall back to sleep. Once you've reached this point, begin the FILD technique. If you fall back to sleep, don't worry... you can try again when you wake up.

      The Technique:
      1. Imagine for a second that you are playing a piano using your index and middle finger with one hand. Your fingers are side by side on two keys. Now, press your right finger down, leaving your left finger up. Next, press your left finger down, and lift your right finger back up. Repeat this up and down motion.
      2. So you have the motion down? Try this: Imagine you are playing the piano again (using the same motion), but this time, press the keys so lightly that they don't go down. Give it a try on your computer keyboard - you should basically feel your muscles contract, but your fingers should hardly move.
      3. You're almost there. All you have to do is use this finger movement when you wake up. Once you reach step 4 on the setup process, start moving your fingers. Focus on the movement. By directing your focus, you will fall asleep within seconds. Do not count your finger movements or talk to yourself in your head. Also, do not try to make yourself go to sleep.. that will only wake you up. That's it!
      4. Once about 10 to 20 seconds have passed, take your other hand, and perform a nose RC. Simply pinch your nose and try to breath in. If you can, you're dreaming!
      5. If you find that the RC doesn't work, don't worry.. you can try again. Just go to sleep normally, and try again when you wake up.


      Original Directions from LD4ALL:

      1. Go to sleep:
      - You want to do this tech when you are the most tired. For some people, it's 3 hours after you have gone to sleep, for others, 5, or you can do it in the morning (harder)
      - might help to tell your self to wake up after your dreams (Like in the MILD tech.).. havenít tried this yet
      - Try playing very soft music in the background when you go to sleep if you want to wake up during the REM state. Make sure it's very very soft, and has no beat/voice in it.

      2. This is the hardest part of the technique. You need to get into a state where you are very tired, and feel like you could easily fall asleep. To achive this, you either have to wake up from a dream during the night, set an alarm clock for the time where you will be the most tired, or use the dream period in the morning.

      2a. (Unreliable, but easy if you wake up) If you find that you have just woken up from a dream in the middle of the night or you set your alarm to wake you up, you should already feel very tired. Continue to step 3. (if not, just go back to sleep. You could try to relax, but I dont think it would work too well.)

      2b. (most reliable) If you have set an alarm clock for 3, 5 or however many hours works best for you, you should wake up in a tired state. Try relaxing, and when you feel like your very close to sleep, contine to step 3. However, if you have woken up, and dont feel tired at all, I would go back to sleep.

      2c. (hard and unreliable) If you have woken up in the morning, you might not feel very tired. (You might be relaxed, but you would find it hard to start sleeping agian.) To get into this "tired" state, you should go back to sleep. In about 30 mins (or more), you will wake up again. When you wake up this time (try not to move or open your eyes), try to relax as much as possible and see how tired you feel. (Be carefull you dont fall back to sleep) If you feel very tired, continue to step 3. Otherwise, go back to sleep, and try again when you wake up.

      3. Relax. Once you think you are about to fall asleep again (You should already feel like this when you wake), you need to start moving part of your body, It should just be a very small movement, and it needs to be repetitive. I recommend using your fingers.
      - What I do is this: Right now, imagine you are playing a piano with 2 fingers: your pointer and middle finger. Push one key down, lift it back up and at the same time, press the other finger down. Just keep going back and forth between the fingers. I have my hand under my pillow when i did this, but Im sure it would work anywhere. Just make sure the movement is very small, and takes very little energy to perform it. (I was just doing this on my right hand)
      - Another Note: When you are moving you fingers, donít try to visualize anything, just think to you self that you will do this for 10-30 secs, and then check to see if it's a dream.
      - Also, do not tell your self all the actions you are going to do, and do not "count" while you do this tech... Just say to your self, you will do a RC in 10-30 secs, and then just lay there, moving you fingers.
      - Try to focus on the movement, and just try to relax.
      - Do not focus on trying to fall asleep (it will keep you awake). Keep focus on your fingers, do not let your mind wander.

      4. Once you start the motion, try to relax (as much as you can, but donít force it. Dont "try" to fall asleep) and wait about 10-30 seconds (keep your fingers moving). During this short time, tell your self that you will wait about 10-30 secs, and then you will check to see if you are in a dream. (Donít count in your head) Once the 10-20 secs have passed, do a nose RC (Where you pinch your nose closed, and try to breath in.. If you can, you are in a dream). If the RC fails, just try to go to sleep normally for a few mins (no motion or RCs), and try the tech one more time. If it fails again, go to sleep, and try again later that morning. If it works it should only take 10-30 secs. Do not lay there doing a RC every 30 secs over and over, it will just wake you up even more.
      - The first time I did this, I thought that It wasnít going to work. After the 10-30 secs, I still was sure that I was still trying to fall asleep, with my fingers moving. However, when I did a RC, I realized it was a dream. I thought to my self "wow, Iím in a LD, I guess it does work"
      - On 7-4-04, I found that whenever I started to dream, I had a tingly sensation all over my body.

      5. If the nose RC works, try to get out of bed...
      - I found that in the morning, when I tried to get out of bed in the dream, I would wake up immediately when I tried to move. If this happens to you, you should try this: once you realize that you are dreaming from the nose RC, keep your eyes closed, and keep pinching your nose. Continue to breath through your nose. Wait about 10-30 secs, and then try to visualize your room in your head (like your looking at it thru your closed eyes). The image should slowly come to you, and once it has, get out of bed, and you shouldnít wake up from the movement.


      NOTE: When this works successfully, the real world (where you were moving you fingers) will be transitioned into the dream world (You will dream that you are still moving your fingers, and trying to relax).

      Some people are telling me that they are trying to move their fingers, and then do a RC every 30 secs.. That's not what you should do. If the 1st RC fails, stop the finger movement, and RCs, and try to relax for a few mins, then, try the tech once more. If it fails again, go to sleep, and try again later that morning. Hope that helps

      Things to try: Instead of waiting only 10-30 secs, see what happens if you wait more like 1-5 mins. (When I discovered this tech. I kept waking up from what I thought was the real world, and realizing that it was entirely a dream.. So I tried again, and told my self to wait a few secs, and then do a RC.. and it worked). I think that it is either going to work, or it's not going to work, do not lay there for 20 mins moving your fingers. If it doesnít work, go back to sleep, or try relaxing for another few mins.

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      two words:









      H-O-L-Y C-R-A-P-!


      why dont you just go and write a novel!?! that has GOT TO BE, the most longestEST post I have seen in my many many years of being a human....

      i will have to try it, nothing else is working
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      I'll try it too! I eventually compressed that to about 4 sentences, lol It sounds really good, especially since last night I had a FA but didn't do a RC, so I went back to sleep thinking it was real.


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      I just let my lucid dreams come to me. Or I go out and look for them. They're certainly not under my bed, that's for sure!
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      Has anyone who has never sleep walked and did this technique not gone into SP and sleep walked? xD

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      I don't see why you would sleep walk if you've never had before, though.


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      I don't sleep walk, but I sleep stalk (stalk people while I'm sleeping via rolling or running like a gorilla).
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      hey, i'm interested... why not give it a try. will post results tomorrow

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      Yeah, me too!
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      Hehe it is kinda long.. It started out short (about 5 lines), but I kept adding new things to it (I started it on the ld4all forum)

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      Holy jeebus, that was friggin long. Contructive criticsm: next time just shorten it a little.

      This sounds like a great idea and I've read about this somewhere when I was researching WILD techniques and what you said is sort of part of one. It was where you would lay down and put your arm up in the air and you would let it up there and if you went to sleep, then it would fall down and wake you up. I never liked it though because keeping it up required unneccesary energy.

      Yours sounds simpler though. I'll post results tomorrow morning.

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      Hey fun fact: I can keep my arm up for hours without even feeling slightly sore. I've been doing it since I was little.. just sitting there with my arm up. I mean, I don't do this at social events.. but yeah.
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      I only posted here once? That's new.
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      I dont see how this is like the arm thing at all... Your not trying to stay awake, you want to fall asleep. You dont say "awake" while you fall asleep.

      The movement of the fingers makes you fall asleep, and then you will start to dream that you are still moving them.

      good luck everyone
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      Hey Hargarts!
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      Hah, what kinda post is that?

      Maybe you should stop by the irc chat some time..

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      When's the last time I had a CAT scan? I . . . don't . . . know . . .?
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      Originally posted by Hargarts
      I dont see how this is like the arm thing at all... Your not trying to stay awake, you want to fall asleep. You dont say \"awake\" while you fall asleep.

      The movement of the fingers makes you fall asleep, and then you will start to dream that you are still moving them.

      good luck everyone
      Youre right. I wonder why the hell I wrote that? Maybe it's because Im tired.

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      BTW Nightowl, I love your avatar! Very cool.


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      Originally posted by Scwigglie
      BTW Nightowl, I love your avatar! Very cool.
      Thanks! I really like yours to.

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      Haha! I like to make the orange dance!
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      .. bloody 'ell that's long...
      To be honest I haven't finished reading it!

      Anyone care to simplify it to perhaps only an hours read?
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      Sure.

      1) Go to sleep. Any ol' way.

      2) Wake up when you're *very* tired. You can set an alarm for say like 4 hours after you fall asleep, or if you happen to accidentally wake up in the middle of the night, that works too.

      3) Start tapping two fingers very gently, so you use minimum energy. Keep tapping and tell yourself that you'll do a RC in about 10-30 seconds. Or even 1-5 minutes, it depends on how fast you think you'll fall asleep.

      The result *should* be that when you do a RC, you'll still be tapping your fingers but will be in a dream.. and become lucid.

      But if you try a couple of times and you're still not in a dream, stop doing it and just fall asleep and try a different time.
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      Thankyou! I'm gonna try that tonight! Oh and the new group has been added, thats good to know.
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      Thanks Scwigglie (And Hargarts for the technique)
      Its now added to my list of growing 'todo's... heh...
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