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      After listening to your interview and reading this, I have decided to give the awareness thing a go.

      I am worried that I will forget to stay aware and my mind will wonder onto other things.
      I was wondering if you have advice on how to keep your mind focused on dreaming all day?

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      Thanks.

      When it comes to constant awareness, I actually did a workshop with Luminous on another website last year. Maybe I can look back and repost a few of the tips I wrote for it here. If you want to go deeper into the idea, you can pick up a book on Dream Yoga, just be aware that it would be within a certain cultural and religious context. But my tips, in short:

      -When you do a reality check, don't ask if you're dreaming. Assume that you ARE dreaming. Now ask, “why do I think this is real?”

      -The key to constant awareness comes from the fundamental idea that all reality is another facet of a dream. Time is illusionary. Today will soon fade and cease to exist. Everything you know in this world can be changed in an instant, at any time, for any reason. This is just the same way your dreams are. This is what Dream Yoga teaches. All things are illusionary, all things change, and all things fade. This is the reality of existence.

      -Everyone has some ideas as to what they want to do in their lucid dreams. So think of a lucid dream that you want to have tonight.


      Got an idea? Now that you've thought of a good dream, try visualizing it. It helps to use real memories....for example, imagine that you're tasting the chocolate, and at the same time remember how chocolate tasted the last time you had some. Decide what the buildings look like, who will be there, what you will do, and make it all as detailed as possible. Basically, daydream.

      -Remember that every moment today passes, becoming nothing but memory, as a dream. All things are illusionary, and all things in constant flux.

      Keep in mind that right now, this reality, is only another form of dream. Keep this in mind as often and as long as possible. So when you do reality checks (hopefully frequently, since RCing a lot during the day can help ease you into a constant state of awareness), try to think about some of these things.

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      Actually I might as well repost everything on doing a good RC:



      The problem with RCs is that a lot of times, people just mindlessly go “am I dreaming?” and without even considering it, they think “no,” and then totally forget about it. This does absolutely nothing to help you get lucid.



      When you do a reality check, don't ask if you're dreaming. Assume that you ARE dreaming. Now ask, “why do I think this is real?”

      Example of a GOOD answer: “I think this is real because I remember waking up, getting dressed and driving here. I can remember in detail what I had for breakfast. When I toss a pen into the air and try to make it float, I can't do it.” This works because you are testing you surroundings and memories against LOGIC. Not only that, but you're physically testing reality. If you want, you can try the classics such as looking at your hands or holding your nose to test reality.

      Example of a BAD answer: “This feels real.” While you'll never confuse your waking life with a dream, ALL of your non-lucids will always “feel real.”

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      Nice, you are using the same WILD technique as me

      The only difference is that I dont need external soundsources to get it started. I think when you are in a quiet environment and listen in to your head, you will naturally hear a slight hissing or rushing sound, at least thats the case for me. The harder part is making it clearer and louder, but it can be achieved with practice. I usually try to get it to a good volume, then I turn the rushing sounds into something that is more like a vibrating sine wave. This will almost automatically put me into SP and I then know that I can safely get up with my non-physical body.

      My main problem is that I need a really quiet environment to get things started. I dont mind a consistent noise like a computer fan (I can use that instead of listening to the inner sounds), but even slightly unrhythmic noises like someone sleeping next to you breathing in their sleep can become a pretty frustrating distraction. I should probably learn another not so audio-based technique to WILD.
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      Yeah. Actually I pretty much just use a fan, too. I like having some kind of white noise like that to sleep by.

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      Awesome tutorial Naiya, thanks a lot!

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      hey naiya!
      this tutorial is lovely.
      specially the part about awareness.
      tell me how did you started with this and what type of results did you have!
      I tried that thing of awareness, but I always get to 10 days and I become tired of it...
      in 1 month will be my birthday, and from that day on, I will try this thing again, as powerful as I can.
      ok, thanks, great read!

      bye

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      Quote Originally Posted by Naiya View Post
      Actually I might as well repost everything on doing a good RC:



      The problem with RCs is that a lot of times, people just mindlessly go “am I dreaming?” and without even considering it, they think “no,” and then totally forget about it. This does absolutely nothing to help you get lucid.



      When you do a reality check, don't ask if you're dreaming. Assume that you ARE dreaming. Now ask, “why do I think this is real?”

      Example of a GOOD answer: “I think this is real because I remember waking up, getting dressed and driving here. I can remember in detail what I had for breakfast. When I toss a pen into the air and try to make it float, I can't do it.” This works because you are testing you surroundings and memories against LOGIC. Not only that, but you're physically testing reality. If you want, you can try the classics such as looking at your hands or holding your nose to test reality.

      Example of a BAD answer: “This feels real.” While you'll never confuse your waking life with a dream, ALL of your non-lucids will always “feel real.”
      What a good explanation. I will definetally get in the habit of this.

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      i love you.

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      Thanks a million! This is very helpful, i'm gonna try meditating tonight to clear my thoughts and remove negative thoughts. The part that you said to know what you want to dream about always gives me trouble, i can never decide what i want to dream about. Thanks for the info, i'm sure this will help others as well.

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      I am starting to seriously doubt if I'll ever be capable of WILDing. Here's why:

      For two years - before I even knew WILD existed, and when my knowledge of LDs was only superficial - I used to meditate every afternoon. I would relax until HIs started, I would watch the HIs and sometimes dream scenarios would pop into my head. I could watch the dreamscapes unfold a bit and even explore them, but on not one occasion did I actually enter a dream. I obviously couldn't have been trying too hard because I didn't know WILD existed!

      Thoughts?
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      Thanks Naiya ,

      This tips are very handy for me thanks a lot for wonderful share.


      REGARDS.

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      Very nice work Naiya, this should come in useful right away as I'm getting back into lucid dreaming after one of my extensive 'can't be screwed' spells. I find it incredible after so many lucid dreaming tutorials on the site you *still* managed to cover some new ground, and take to it with a different approach.

      Again... Nice job .

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      Naiya~~~

      I really enjoyed reading all of this, and last night I tried your wild method without wbtb...cause I dont get enough sleep for that atm and I too sleep with a fan on. and you know what? it ALMOST worked...almost as in once sleep paralysis hit me instead of the vibrations most people get my body got very violent vibrations that shook me awake. It was not fun but Im trying again tonight
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      TheWeirdnessSymposium: Hmm, it certainly does sound like they could have been full-on dreams. A few times when I have done a WILD, the dream was entirely in the third person. May I ask, do your regular dreams usually happen in the third person, or the first person?

      I'm torn between telling you that 1. Anyone can WILD and 2. Everyone is different. I'm leaning toward the former, but I wouldn't rule out the latter completely since I couldn't say for sure if there are some people who can't WILD in the first person. I think that you should at least give it more practice and see where it takes you. Now that you know what a WILD is, perhaps the knowledge that you can enter the dream consciously or forcibly will help you this time around.


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      tkdyo: WILD is kind of tricky, so much that I rarely expect someone to get it right on their first few tries. So if this was one of your first tries, I think you should be very happy you were so close. Most people don't even get to the vibrations that easily. I'm sorry that the SP/vibrations scared you and woke you--they can be pretty freaky sometimes, and to be honest they will not always feel exactly the same every time, so sometimes they'll be too strong to keep you asleep, and other times you will go into the WILD without feeling any.

      Just remember to keep practicing. That's the most important piece of advice I could ever give you--keep trying, don't give up and you WILL get the hang of it, I promise.

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      thank you for the encouragement. Though, they didnt scare me, they were just too strong. I have tried a couple wilds in the past. the very first one I did get scared out of because I heard a very loud hollow sound like someone hit me over the head with a pcp pip...and one other time I got to the point where I felt like I was sliding down the bed, but couldnt get any HI. so, maybe I have a natural tendency for the physical part...see what happens tonight.
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      Wow! So it sounds like you do tend to get very physical hallucinations. I can see how that would make it a little harder since it's hard not to be woken by them.

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      unfortunately yes. I want to find a way to deture that...but Im not sure how. I already do mma 4 times a week that should make my muscles tired enough ><
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      Hi Naiya

      My dreams are virtually always in the first person.

      Reflecting on my situation, I know that I've never reached SP while meditating, but since discovering WILD early September I've got close - or been in SP - a couple of times. There's hope, I guess.

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      Generally an interesting thread.

      But I would have thought that definative statements on OBEs, Astral Travelling and Dream Healing have no place in the main forum.
      Lucid Dreams:-
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      (TOTAL: 108 )

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      Yeah, this guide was originally posted on another website, so the mentions of AP & OBE I left in mainly due to laziness. As for healing dreams, I have read about them in books strictly on lucid dreaming (i.e. Conscious Dreaming by Robert Moss) so I don't necessarily consider them BD material.

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      plus its not that hard to read over...
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      Thanks for this tutorial Naiya. After interviewing you I am now very interested in the constant awareness/reality check. I will try it for a long time and see if it works!
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      Have you posted the interview anywhere??? I'd like to hear this one.

      Thanks.

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      http://www.youtube.com/view_play_lis...8EFA61CDD57D0F

      here is the youtube playlist. click play all.
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