Thread: Malac's Fast Grab [MFG] Repost.

oh, so are you moving your real arms at all?

No, all the time you are laying still. Trust me, and you know this yourself, once you are in a dream you don't think of your real body. You instantly know how to move about in the dream, and this way does not make your body move. I suppose when I was in the dream it was so weak that when I tried to move in the dream, I moved IRlife.
But I don't think that was it, as I was moving fine before, but then when I decided to test it in the name of SCIENCE it failed and I moved my real arm, which woke me up, and I was then too awake to try another DEILD again.
That was also the last time I had success with this method. After a while my dream recall went down to nothing, and ever since then- about 4/5 weeks, I have been trying to get it back up. I think about now it is nearly back up to what it was.

That makes sense now. When I clenched my fists, I thought it was my real arms, but I guess I was lucid thinking I was still trying to LD.

This grab technique has worked for me. The trick is to try to move your real arm after inducing SP and HH, with the idea being that you move your dream body arm, and connect more solidly with the dream.

Interesting.... these techniques based on HI have not worked for me in the past so I have stopped trying, but this seems to highlight the idea that most people try too hard. Now that I have a reliable way to wake up during REM every morning I will give this a shot.

I will admit that I was skeptical when I read this idea yesterday. However, after it popped into my head during a WBTB attempt last night, I can report that it has worked for me.

Falling back asleep, I was getting some decent HI and finally thought to reach out and grab it. I was sure that my real arm would be extending, but quickly realized I was already past the threshold and was able to enter a stable dreamscape very quickly. I kept wondering if I was acting out my dream motions in bed, but was able to wander around in a very tangible dream for about 10 seconds before the dream faded.

I will post here again if I can replicate these results. Thank you for posting this.

Tried it during a nap after reading this and despite several attempts of fairly clear seeming HI my dream hands never touched anything.

Well, reporting back in, I can say I've had more success with this technique. I managed a major sleep-in last night and was able to chain 3 WILDs together with this technique. They may have been headed in the WILD direction anyway, but I was able to solidify the dreamscape and enter the dream through physically reaching out to grab the first stable-appearing surface that popped up as my HI got more complex and drawn-out.

Even if this is just a placebo effect, it has doubled my WILD count in a week. Looking forward to testing this further.

Originally Posted by FryingMan

Tried it during a nap after reading this and despite several attempts of fairly clear seeming HI my dream hands never touched anything.

Tell us more.

Originally Posted by RedNaxela

Well, reporting back in, I can say I've had more success with this technique. I managed a major sleep-in last night and was able to chain 3 WILDs together with this technique. They may have been headed in the WILD direction anyway, but I was able to solidify the dreamscape and enter the dream through physically reaching out to grab the first stable-appearing surface that popped up as my HI got more complex and drawn-out.

Even if this is just a placebo effect, it has doubled my WILD count in a week. Looking forward to testing this further.

wow amazing.

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

Tell us more.

I'm not sure there's a lot more to say. I don't recall if I was WILDing or just trying to sleep for DILDs, but going to sleep was slow, so I saw a bunch of HI. Maybe it was a computer printer that became fairly clear in front of me. I tried to reach for it with my dream hands but I guess I wasn't deeply enough asleep, there was no physical contact. That happened several times with different things, mostly office equipment I think.

edit: had a chance to try again this morning, as I had a very slow-to-sleep BTB. Wasn't trying to WILD, just get back to sleep, but I was getting lots of HI and when a DC face became clear in front of me I imagined reaching out and grabbing the DC body, holding on, and trying to pull myself in. I experienced the beginnings of a "lucid rush" feeling, it was definitely something different than my earlier failed grab attempts. Didn't make it in but an interesting experience all the same. I may have been too awake.

Bumping this thread, coz I love this technique.

Thank you WakingNomad

Wonderful technique

I copied an re-formatted it because in the Opening post it ran off the page (on my tablet) here it is ...

Cool 10 second lucid induction!

Title -*MFG*

HEY, I'm sure some of you guys and gals that clicked here are like "ZOMG TeH FAST U|tim@t#$%$% teh NeeK". Well today, your dreams come true. (Heh get it?) Let me start off that I actually discovered the root of this technique like a year ago. Slowly finding out what to do to "initiate" these visuals smoothly and fast to implement a way to get lucid, easily.

I'm not going to lie, you won't be able to do this technique if you have a problem with visualizing. But that can be fixed with practice so that you can do this The method itself is named, Malac's Fast Grab (or if you hate my name than you can call it "My Fast Grab").

Ever heard the saying that to transition into a dream, you should "step into it" or interact in the midst of HI? (Hipnagogic Images ie falling to sleep images) This technique emphasizes that transition part into a practical means of getting lucid, fast.

When you close you eyes and daydream, have you ever had an extremely vivid like image. Even imagery that moves? Most likely after sleeping for a while, I'm sure you have. Also, don't you love it when this imagery disappears in like 2 seconds because your mind seems to realize that you're looking at a glimpse of your dreamworld while awakened so it makes the vivid imagery disappear?

Well this is why I call it My Fast Grab, for what I'm going to have you do.

The technique:

1. Sleep for at least 4-6 hours, so that you're at REM.

2. Any time while you feel comfortable in bed (can be hours later if you want)...

3. Use the blackness of your eyelids, using your mind's eye (the same way you visualize) to.... Imagine darkness in front of you.

Then imagine that darkness transitioning into a living world getting brighter and brighter. Don't worry about what it should look like, because your subconscious will take care of that.

Example:

When I say "dog", an image of a dog already shows up in your mind. When I say living world, then your perspective of a living world will show up.

So in other words, the image should be completely random to you.

Also,

don't consciously make it vivid, because making the random imagery getting brighter and brighter will make it vivid for you. (I assume your mind does so because it knows that when it gets brighter in a room or outside, you can see more detail).

So really all you have to think of is:

A living world getting brighter.

5. So imagine this random jungle, park, room, wal-mart, whatever, getting brighter until its vivid enough to make you think its vivid. The first thought of you thinking its vivid, will be enough to start.

6. Immediately after the thought of it being realistic or vivid, use your actual hands to grab and touch the nearest god damn thing closest to you. This image won't last long so you'll have to be fast about. I say actual hands because for when you use your actual hands, it'll for that moment be your dream hands. (Yes, I discovered that the highest, strongest, most effective tactile movement is----Using your real body parts at a certain time, such as this!) Realizing the image and grabbing it might require little practice for some people. In the end though, its very simple and easy to do.

7. Once you grabbed it or touched it, remain feeling it until you absolutely know that you're in a dream. Most often, as soon as you grab something, you will already be in a dream, but its best to just do whatever you would normally do in an LD to stabilize and stay in it.

Quick Summary:

Close eyes.

Imagine darkness.

Imagine it getting brighter and

revealing a world until its vivid and then

immediately grab a hold of something with your real hands to catch the dream.

Stabilize.

Quick way to tell yourself in bed what to do without confusing and worrying yourself:

"I'm gonna make it brighter in my mind so I can see and catch a dream with my real hands and not let it go".

The Easiest and preferred way to remember:

"I'm gonna use my My Fast Grab, bitch!" (sorry, had to add that word...)

Now this process should take anywhere from 2-15 seconds, 2 being my fastest and 7-10 being my average.

This tech can be applied multiple times and if you manage to fail it or if the visuals aren't getting anywhere, start the process over again.

Requirements:

- 4 hours of sleep - OK with visualizing

- Persistence to give it a go again if you're unable to complete it.

Got any questions, I'll help when I can. Hopefully more people will take the initiative to create methods of inducing LDs, instead of seeing repeats of the same techniques and dead-end questions. Who ever heard of an oneironaught not being able to to imagine? C'mon, think and create people.

We need more discoverers out there, not relying on the same people(like 6 of us) to feed out techniques. So.......... I give out a challenge. I Challenge someone to make a technique faster than this. I DARE someone to make an instant induction! So, wanna try me? Can you handle it?