Thread: Raising kundalini good or bad?

Mcwillis mentioned before that (I'm paraphrasing) when one attempts to raise their kundalini they risk doing so improperly and messing around with that kind of energy improperly can lead to devastating results.

I think you're pretty safe as long you don't struggle too hard to make it happen or to control it, but rather work simply on opening yourself up and surrendering to your natural energy flow. It's best to work on a foundational practice first in order to enable you to remain mindful of the energy flow and surrender to the Natural Way.

You have to be ready. Certain people have said it can have some strange side effects if you're not "prepared". Just look up some yoga exercises, meditative states, etc. Build it up. Don't be in the complex like "this is gonna take so long and be difficult i can't do it" because that won't help :c But yeah just do some research and read up then tweak what ever you do whether it be yoga, breathing techniques, whatever, to your own personal needs.
Once I was meditating and I had an extremely extremely extremely intense energetic feeling in my kundalini area. Which i wasn't even doing any specific mediation. Anyway the feeling was too powerful and uncomfortable, I actually had to stop meditating that day.

I suppose from what i've heard, it is a thing that has to happen to yourself.
Like when a baby starts walking.
If he tries he's going to fail hurt itself and cry.
When the body made it's way for this the baby is just gonna hold itself on its feet.
So you cannot "tamper" with this process is a process that happens when the self and the body trigger certain process,
When the awareness of the self allows it.

And youtube tends to misinformation and crap so avoid any technique and effort.
If it is time to happen it is going to happen by itself.
Apart from the fact that invoking the base of kundalini doesen't have any result to anything.

Originally Posted by tsiouz

I suppose from what i've heard, it is a thing that has to happen to yourself.
Like when a baby starts walking.
If he tries he's going to fail hurt itself and cry.
When the body made it's way for this the baby is just gonna hold itself on its feet.
So you cannot "tamper" with this process is a process that happens when the self and the body trigger certain process,
When the awareness of the self allows it.

And youtube tends to misinformation and crap so avoid any technique and effort.
If it is time to happen it is going to happen by itself.
Apart from the fact that invoking the base of kundalini doesen't have any result to anything.

but it happens to some people and not to others.
and if you dont do anything to "induce" it, then it wont happen to you.
weather or not it happens to you in this life is dependant on what you do. so you do need to help it happen?

a baby that never even attempts to walk never will

From what I understand, attempting to raise kundalini before you are reading can give off quite painful side effects. I'd say learn from a master or an actual teacher that knows what their doing rather than trying to learn online. Sometimes face-to-face is the only way to learn certain things.

A baby attempts to walk as in his instinct as function walking is included.
Same way these processes are included in the chartography and guided through the body.
You making the mistake that most people do,because most people confusing these phenomena with something else that is happening to them.
This process is the result of the awakening of the self not the cause.
And it happens when the body and the mind is ready to receive them,
Because a mind and a body which is not ready gonna mailfunction with them,Apart from the fact that a huge amount of energy is required for it.
I don't say this is bad for you to happen.
What im saying that the approach is bad.
You need a technique which is going to help you find yourself.
And through a lot of effort when the time comes and you're ready this can happen to you.
When the awareness of the self is gonna make you sensitive enough on your internal functions this will happen.
otherwise don't have a hope.

Originally Posted by Qwer

but it happens to some people and not to others.
and if you dont do anything to "induce" it, then it wont happen to you.
weather or not it happens to you in this life is dependant on what you do. so you do need to help it happen?

a baby that never even attempts to walk never will

The thing is once you learn how to relax, surrender to the flow of energy in your body, and reside in mindfulness of that energy, the means to raise the kundalini becomes clear. You will start to notice that your chakras are like the peaks of a wave and as your energy follows your attention, you will notice the way it surges at your chakras. You do not need to surge the energy, willfully, so much as just mindfully notice the way it surges. Like I said, energy already follows attention. One need not induce anything more than a careful, attentive use of their awareness.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

The thing is once you learn how to relax, surrender to the flow of energy in your body, and reside in mindfulness of that energy, the means to raise the kundalini becomes clear. You will start to notice that your chakras are like the peaks of a wave and as your energy follows your attention, you will notice the way it surges at your chakras. You do not need to surge the energy, willfully, so much as just mindfully notice the way it surges. Like I said, energy already follows attention. One need not induce anything more than a careful, attentive use of their awareness.

nice, do a little search n I saved the time of having to even bother with a new threatd XD

Well, I see people suggesting what should be done. It makes sense not to "force it".... if you think about it, pretty much your whole body is prone to injury from any kind of over-straining. case and point XD

What I'm wondering is, whats the longest anyones dipped into this state. I wouldn't say I force it to surge, as much as I can get it to surge on its own. I've been reading on meditation, here and there, for a few years now and have found myself here (with the kundalini) with my own personal mix of it.

I ask because I'd like to hear more From the people who've had the awakening, as opposed to just flares.
- Great video which I feel sums up what I'm talking about.

I'm at the point where, meditatively I can first, bring these great sensations through my "chakra" areas, my spinal areas. My method gives me the chance to play with it without what I feel to be strain. I've found myself in moments of it though, where my mind begins to follow.... but, I'm not there yet.

Many/any people here experienced its to any degree in terms of what I'm talking?

The process of raising the kundalini is not "dipping" to any state is just passing of kundalini through the centers of the body.
It is painfull takes lot of time and huge amounts of energy if supposively you're ready for something like that.
Most of people who claim that something like that happened in them either they lie or confuse themselves to a terrible degree.
It is the result of other processes on the self not the cause.

It can not be confused with anything else like tinglings in the body or any other technique.
Once it happens IF it happens,(which propably not) you're going to know for sure.
Techniques of "raising the kundalini" are just a bunch of crap.

The awakening is not necessarily painful. Learning to move spontaneously and do shaking practice everyday to loosen gross blockages are prerequisites to a happy initiation. Inner smile, metta, or other practices which cultivate intensely positive mind states are used to counteract the ego excorcism and to loosen the knots. Quigong is used to gain sensitivity to other sources of light and life such as the earth, the stars sky and moon, so that you don't burn up your innards and die for lack of energetic sustenance. The preparation and cultivation of the body as a vessel prior to trying to awaken Her is key to avoiding painful or dire situations. A mind firmly rooted in emptiness is key, in general.

I raise the kundalini as part of my spiritual practice and have had special instruction from a guru authorized to teach it by a Sikh lineage. Using this practice, my normal state of mind has transformed into a profoundly more peaceful, vibrant and energetic one, but I have no idea what tsiouz meant by pain

Originally Posted by tsiouz

The process of raising the kundalini is not "dipping" to any state is just passing of kundalini through the centers of the body.
It is painfull takes lot of time and huge amounts of energy if supposively you're ready for something like that.
Most of people who claim that something like that happened in them either they lie or confuse themselves to a terrible degree.

Techniques of "raising the kundalini" are just a bunch of crap.

I was referring to the after of raising of kundalini, but I guess it takes someone whose experienced it to understand what your talking about.

I feel a little put off by your bit to be honest. All I can achieve would be a "flare", false awakenings.

The bit I hear to be "painful"/uncomfortable is the initial awakening; depending on if your practiced/prepared for it, the pain likely more mental than physical.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

Using this practice, my normal state of mind has transformed into a profoundly more peaceful, vibrant and energetic one

I am hoping the state of mind I enter during my practice, can become more of my norm.

What do you hope you accomplish that you can't accomplish through regular mindful practice?

The entrance of the kundalini is on the genitals.
The awakening of the kundalini happens when the entrance of the kundalini unlocks
and that is because all of the centers are LOCKED.

And the raise of the kundalini happens when she passes through all of the centers.
The mind has nothing to do with the awakening of her as the entrance is the genitals.
This is why in ancient traditions people were taking the lotus stance,in order to unblock the sexual,(which happened in rare occassions)
so they can unblock the entrance and maybe the most advanced of them more centers.


You can't prepare for this process.
It happens AUTOMATICALY in the body.
You don't control it,you don't guide it you don't help it.


Pain is in the body as the body itself never learned to really work with it and changes it's function violently.
It happens when you're ready,
Just like when you are stopping breast feeding and your starting to eat.
Of course the stomach gonna get upset and feel pain by a new process that got in to.
Even when a new tooth is coming out you're feeling pain.
And it can only happens when you're ready for it.
You cannot feed a 3 weeks baby with food.

To the 99.999 percent not even the entrance is going to unlock.

You don't awake any kundalini every day it happens once.
And once it is getting unblocked through every centre.

And it happens only when the self is ready.
or because his state as a human beign makes him ready
or from huge amounts of stress and that rarely.

So if somebody comes and claims that he can give you a practice that as he claims he's gonna unlock or raise any kundalini he is a FRAUD.
Plain and simple.

Have you ever tried not making profoundly presumptuous posts? You know absolutely nothing about me or my practice so stop pretending that you do.

Guy i don't even care about you.

But show me just show me one scripts that describes raise of the kundalini every day.

or it is raised or it is not.

which is the latter.

I don't believe I claimed to raise it every day, at least not in the sense that it falls back down afterwards.

Kundalini wakes up once and can get raised once and stays there.
It does not happen as a state it happens as an event which can occur once in a lifetime.
It is not a thing that happens with practice.

Unfortunately most of people are misinformed towards these processes
and tend to misinform even more people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kundalini

According to the Yogis, there are two nerve currents in the spinal column, called Pingalâ and Idâ, and a hollow canal called Sushumnâ running through the spinal cord. At the lower end of the hollow canal is what the Yogis call the "Lotus of the Kundalini". They describe it as triangular in form in which, in the symbolical language of the Yogis, there is a power called the Kundalini, coiled up. When that Kundalini awakes, it tries to force a passage through this hollow canal, and as it rises step by step, as it were, layer after layer of the mind becomes open and all the different visions and wonderful powers come to the Yogi. When it reaches the brain, the Yogi is perfectly detached from the body and mind; the soul finds itself free. We know that the spinal cord is composed in a peculiar manner. If we take the figure eight horizontally (∞) there are two parts which are connected in the middle. Suppose you add eight after eight, piled one on top of the other, that will represent the spinal cord. The left is the Ida, the right Pingala, and that hollow canal which runs through the centre of the spinal cord is the Sushumna. Where the spinal cord ends in some of the lumbar vertebrae, a fine fibre issues downwards, and the canal runs up even within that fibre, only much finer. The canal is closed at the lower end, which is situated near what is called the sacral plexus, which, according to modern physiology, is triangular in form. The different plexuses that have their centres in the spinal canal can very well stand for the different "lotuses" of the Yogi.

The question arises: how is this awakening triggered? There are two broad approaches to kundalini awakening: active and passive. The active approach involves systematic physical exercises and techniques of concentration, visualization, pranayama and meditation under the guidance of a competent teacher. These techniques come from any of the four main branches of yoga but for this purpose could be termed kundalini yoga. The passive approach is instead a path of surrender where one lets go of all the impediments to the awakening rather than trying to actively awaken the kundalini. A chief part of the passive approach is shaktipat where one person's kundalini is awakened by another who already has the experience. Shaktipat only raises the kundalini temporarily but gives the student an experience to use as a basis.

The spiritual teacher Meher Baba emphasized the need for a master when actively trying to awaken the kundalini: "Kundalini is a latent power in the higher body. When awakened it pierces through six chakras or functional centres and activates them. Without a master, awakening of the kundalini cannot take any one very far on the Path; and such indiscriminate or premature awakening is fraught with dangers of self-deception as well as misuse of powers. The kundalini enables man consciously to cross the lower planes and it ultimately merges into the universal cosmic power of which it is a part, and which also is at times described as kundalini....The important point is that the awakened kundalini is helpful only up to a certain degree, after which it cannot ensure further progress. It cannot dispense with the need for the grace of a Perfect Master."

Physical effects are believed to be a sign of kundalini awakening by some, but described as unwanted side effects pointing to a problem rather than progress by others. The following are either common signs of an awakened kundalini or symptoms of a problem associated with an awakening kundalini (commonly referred to as Kundalini syndrome or physio-Kundalini syndrome):

Involuntary jerks, tremors, shaking, itching, tingling, and crawling sensations, especially in the arms and legs
Energy rushes or feelings of electricity circulating the body
Intense heat (sweating) or cold, especially as energy is experienced passing through the chakras
Spontaneous pranayama, asanas, mudras and bandhas
Visions or sounds at times associated with a particular chakra
Diminished or conversely extreme sexual desire sometimes leading to a state of constant or whole-body orgasm
Emotional upheavals or surfacing of unwanted and repressed feelings or thoughts with certain repressed emotions becoming dominant in the conscious mind for short or long periods of time.[18]
Headache, migraine, or pressure inside the skull
Increased blood pressure and irregular heartbeat
Emotional numbness
Antisocial tendencies
Mood swings with periods of depression or mania
Pains in different areas of the body, especially back and neck
Sensitivity to light, sound, and touch
Trance-like and altered states of consciousness
Disrupted sleep pattern (periods of insomnia or oversleeping)
Loss of apetite or overeating
Bliss, feelings of infinite love and universal connectivity, transcendent awareness
Etc.

I think my favorite quote is this though

Sri Ramana Maharshi mentioned that the kundalini energy is nothing but the natural energy of the Self, where Self is the universal consciousness (Paramatma) present in every being, and that the individual mind of thoughts cloaks this natural energy from unadulterated expression. Advaita teaches that Self-realization, enlightenment, God-consciousness, nirvana and kundalini awakening are all the same thing, and self-inquiry meditation is considered a very natural and simple means of reaching this goal

This quote reminds me of the same problem people have with defining enlightenment. Some schools say it must happen instantly, others say it happens slowly over time. I'm sure you're right though, after all you're Greek.

In greek is called "call of the first aethyr" Καλεσμα του πρωτου αιθερα.
Αιθερας (ether) is supposively the lighter shape of air called also as prana by tibetans.
Since you didn't knew it and of course you didn't read anything that gives solid information about it
Good luck with your search.

Oh and by the way hinduism is far the most misunderstanded religion by even hindu themselves.

That's great because my teacher learned Kundalini Yoga from a Sikh. I never met her but I'm not likely to take your word for it when you say no one gets it but you. Making vague, generalized statements doesn't mean you're an expert.

Ok good luck then.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

What do you hope you accomplish that you can't accomplish through regular mindful practice?

Lol looks like I missed the fun little bit. Anywho, mainly just enlightment as to become more patient, confident, yadda yadda, pretty much stuff I only occasionally feel content with myself. Got my fair share of problems of which I am willing to look to multiple avenues to help fix.

Sri Ramana Maharshi mentioned that the kundalini energy is nothing but the natural energy of the Self, where Self is the universal consciousness (Paramatma) present in every being, and that the individual mind of thoughts cloaks this natural energy from unadulterated expression. Advaita teaches that Self-realization, enlightenment, God-consciousness, nirvana and kundalini awakening are all the same thing, and self-inquiry meditation is considered a very natural and simple means of reaching this goal

Something tells me that both of you boys might have a ways to go before reaching enlightenment.

I do appreciate the quotes. I was really wondering what this was about. I was just about to Google this to figure out what it was before you posted that info.