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      Fair enough question, but it doesn't relate to the topic, which is about aliens. Given the context of the thread, your statement implied that humans weren't capable of moving large stones into a precise configuration. Your question was one of how and not why.
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      Stonehenge isn't just a pile of rocks though. I'm not sure the measurements but it's at least 15 feet high, how did they get a huge piece of stone balanced on 2 other piece of stones 15 feet in the air?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Walfe View Post
      Well, I really don't think that aliens helped them. But I do question whether they, a bunch of humans, got the stones up there.
      Yes they did, their English, they can do anything.

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      Those stones aren't even that big.

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      Stonehenge is an awesome feat of engineering. Not only does it line up precisely with the rising of the Sun on both the Summer and Winter equinoxes but it's theorized that the stones map the yearly travel of specific Stars! When the Ancestors built it there were no cranes; there were barely functioning tools, from our point of view and to say that they're just a bunch of rocks is possibley the most unenlightened comment I've read on a forum.

      Besides; I think they had some kind of telekinetic ability! We've only lost the abilities through our lazyness and cooshy modern lives. Noone knows how they got them up there, maybe we're just getting thicker as a race and it was a piece of piss for them?!

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      Quote Originally Posted by Walfe View Post
      Well, I really don't think that aliens helped them. But I do question whether they, a bunch of humans, got the stones up there.
      Modern people continually underestimate the power of ingenutiy, perseverence, and hard work. We've become so dependant on our own tools and technology that we can't imagine someone doing anything without it.
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      I'm an Architect, and the only mystery about Stonehenge is the "why." Moving large slabs of stone like that is not very complicated. We find that most civilizations have built structures out of cyclopean masonry because it is one of the easiest systems of building.

      Watch this video to get an understanding of how simple it is

      http://youtube.com/watch?v=lRRDzFROMx0

      Solar or celestial orientation is sort of a cop out explanation that Architectural Historians go to when all else has failed. The earth is on a wobbly axis, so solar and celestial cycles change over time. If a site is oriented roughly towards some sort of alignment, we like to extrapolate back in time to say that at the time it was built it was exactly aligned. The problem is, we can not date ancient sites accurately enough to figure this out exactly. There is enough wiggle room in this area to fit almost any site into some sort of orientation. I remember, in college, we had a project to take a modern day site (say, Times Square) and force it into a celestial or solar orientation. Surprisingly easy to do given the number of available orientations, and the amount they change over seasons and centuries.

      The reason most people believe Myans were visited by aliens is because they performed artificial skull deformation and trepanation. They would bind their skulls to deform them into elongated shapes. This binding would cause lesions and swelling in the brain, so they would have to drill into their skulls to relieve the pressure. There are countless skulls floating around mesoamerica that are deformed enough to look 'alien' and show evidence of crude brain surgery. Add to this the fact the Egypt is also suspected of doing similar self mutilation, they both had pyramids, ect. It is easy for conspiracy theorists to run wild with alien connections.

      If you really want to read about some mysteries that do deserve attention, do some research on the Vitrified Forts of Scotland.

      Or read up on the sheets of fused glass buried in Africa that can only be explained by above ground nuclear explosions.

      Try to figure out motivation for the Nasca Lines of Peru.

      Maybe check out the Antikythera Mechanism. That is some seriously crazy shit!

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      Quote Originally Posted by Robot_Butler View Post

      Or read up on the sheets of fused glass buried in Africa that can only be explained by above ground nuclear explosions.
      My husband told me about this one today as well...interesting indeed.

      No, I don't believe aliens visited ancient civilizations.
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      Lightbulb i have a theroy

      yes alians visited the mayans i spose people want to know why they only visited the mayans etc because everyone was so war like that they look at the alian and say mother fucker what is that thing.shoot you idiot it will kill us.the mayans etc would say wtf is it.... say hi and do what ever thay did.same reason they wont visit now would you go to a bar full of black people who hate white people corse not they will attack you same with the alians they come here now well thow bombs at then and shoot the fuck out of them so why would they risk there life to help us maybe if we made peace with them then they would show us what they showed the mayans

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      People keep telling me the aliens have been here the whole time. If you put yourself in the mindset of an advanced being like that, what purpose would you have for being on this planet. Even if I could make anything I desired, I would still probably want to experience what life is like for some random group of tribesmen and check out their sense of architecture.

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      the vitrified forts are quite interesting, as is the fused glass. It is interesting to note the vitrified forts not only occur in scotland, but also as far east as turkey! It almost seems like the fused glass in africa may even have something to do with it seeing as they both had to be formed by extreme heat.

      on topic...well...I dont think so. egypt possibly, remembering some of those hiroglyphics that showed what appear to be modern vehicles.
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      I think it is very likely aliens have visited earth. There's tons of evidence to suggest this if you just look. Ancient Astronaut theory.

      For starters watch "Ancient Aliens" on the History channel. After that you can do more research.

      If the Mayans were not visited by aliens, I think they WERE aliens at best. The design of Tikal is the same as Pleiades star cluster.



      Maybe the Mayans were Pleidians. If they were not E.T.'s than I think they WERE given knowledge by E.T.'s, hence there advanced knowledge of consciousness.

      There are Pyramids on mars...their perfect just like the pyramids of Giza. Which means there constructed, they weren't just formed from wind or whatever. Some of them even have faces on them.



      Another thing is that the Ancients had aircraft just like we have....



      But the biggest mystery of all is Puma Punku. No on can explain this...AT ALL!!!.

      What does this look like?

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      Why aliens, why not a previous civilization? How about aliens having come to earth in the past to surpress advanced human technology instead of help us because they saw where we were heading and got scared.. ever thought about that? If aliens really wanted to help us, why is this technology a mystery? This alien theory doesn't make any sense to me
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      I could believe it. I also believe that they were able to get knowledge from their gods/goddesses to achieve the wonders that they did.

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      To all of you who are suggesting and theorising what caused the Maya and Aztec peoples to build such advanced architecture which was quite high-tech and out of place for the technology of the time....

      If you would smoke DMT, drink ayahuasca, Eat mushrooms( the sacraments on which their religious views are based ) you would undoubtedly meet immaterial intelligences and even immaterial, yet shaped humanoid/animalistic beings made of vibrating energy emitting light and sound. I have seen them many times on DMT and Ayahuasca, felt them emotionally/spiritually many other times on mushrooms. And I am by no means the only one who's encountered these beings.

      These are their Gods. And These are the otherwordly "aliens" from which they learned the know how that lies behind the Maya and Aztec's extraordinairy architectural, medicinal, astrological, spiritual and political wisdom and knowledge. Cause knowledge and healing is allways what they've given me whenever I visited them. And to pretty much all the people that dared to confront them.

      So instead of that the Maya and Aztec people were visited and helped by Alien life from another planet, I believe they were indeed contacted and helped in their wellbeing and evolution, but rather by "divine", immaterial beings/spirits they saw as Gods.


      I'm sure that the Maya must have written extensively about the presence of their Gods within plants. I'm sure it was described in great detail in the Popol Vuh, the Mayan Book of council/wisdom, but that Spanish Conquistadores and Missionairies left this information completely out of the Spanish translations of the Popol Vuh.

      Well just recently in the amazonian Jungle somewhere, they've found a hidden maya pyramid; The largest Pyramid found on all of earth in fact. On the inside walls of this pyramid the entire original, Mayan-hieroglyphic Popol Vuh was found. Chizzled into the rocky wall. So I hope that they'll soon release more info on their translations of this original, unaltered version of the Popol Vuh. I'm sure it mentions alot about the plants and their divine qualities; information that the Catholic church would have surely kept hidden from the public.
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      SKA, thank you, that answers a lot of questions

      have you ever heard of the "transforming machine-elves" Terrence McKenna and other DMT-trippers spoke about?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_elf
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      Prehaps not aliens, but us from the future? Maybe in the far future we went back into time and modified some stuff.

      I also dont think that they were so confined by culture and what is and is not possible. I believe that maybe telekinesis and such could have been in their reach

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      Quote Originally Posted by sheogorath View Post
      Prehaps not aliens, but us from the future? Maybe in the far future we went back into time and modified some stuff.

      I also dont think that they were so confined by culture and what is and is not possible. I believe that maybe telekinesis and such could have been in their reach

      Of us from the past? The souls of our great great great deceased ancestors that give us, mankind, their wisdom and healing is what many Amazonian tribal peoples believe and say are the spirits that live in the DMT-containing Mimosa Hostilis tree's rootbark.

      Allthough my experience with those "Machine elves" were that they were essentially formless, they did shift into many shapes, often Human, sometimes Feline, sometimes, Crocodilian, serpentine and lizzards. And incredible large, impressive structures/buildings/interiors.

      Perhaps it is the place where all beings that have died physically continue to live/be, united in and as a world made of light and energy.
      Allthough this "being" manifested itself in many shapes and forms(Reptilians, Humanoids, Felines, Collossal Architectural bodies, mandalic fountains of geometric light patterns) it all appeared to me as 1 being. 1 Spirit.

      This immaterial world, of pure consciousness is the same as what the Mayas know as "The Galactic Heart", it seems to me.

      It indeed came on to me very strongly, like McKenna said it, an Ecology of souls.
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      Perhaps, this...

      extra-terrestrial = inter-dimensional

      modern humans = 3rd dimension

      sense beyond 3rd dimension & sense inter-dimensional/extra-terrestrial

      become multi-dimensional

      This is what I believe the Mayans, Egyptians and countless others have done and do...

      When we can do this, perhaps we will know...

      Personally, I'm not so sure that they ever left... Maybe only our perceptions have changed.
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      Quote Originally Posted by HivaPrnses View Post
      Personally, I'm not so sure that they ever left... Maybe only our perceptions have changed.

      They'll never leave. They've never arrived either. "They" are together mone being commonly known as God. God has no beginning and no end. God is eternal.

      "They" were allways around, visable to those that trancended the Material plain of existance, invisable to those who's perception is limited to the Material world.

      What came to me in my DMT trips was that this world and it's beings were not in another place. They exist IN the same "place" as the physical world: here and now. "They" transcend Time and Space alltogether.
      Their immaterial Ecology is the same world/existance as the material world only seen from a different, discarnate perspective.

      It is in fact the immaterial, spiritual underlying nature of all of existance.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Shark Rider View Post
      wel...if they were, why aliens don't visit us today?
      Who would want to visit our violent race?


      And I've seen new pictures of those mars faces, and they aren't faces anymore just normal old planet.
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      Quote Originally Posted by DeathCell View Post
      Who would want to visit our violent race?


      And I've seen new pictures of those mars faces, and they aren't faces anymore just normal old planet.
      he has got a good point. It would just give us more stuff to kill each other with

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      Quote Originally Posted by Walfe View Post
      I sorta believe it, if not the Egyptians or Mayans, the people who built the stonehenge. As it was said before.
      you underestimate man's ingenuity.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant View Post
      Those stones aren't even that big.
      Puma Punku? Each stone was 800 tons. We don't have any type of machinery in this day that can lift that much weight. If they didn't use diamonds to cut them, then they must have had some type of levitation device or something. The nearest quarry they were saying was like 10 miles.

      What could have moved 800 tons 10 miles.
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      Quote Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD View Post
      Puma Punku? Each stone was 800 tons. We don't have any type of machinery in this day that can lift that much weight. If they didn't use diamonds to cut them, then they must have had some type of levitation device or something. The nearest quarry they were saying was like 10 miles.

      What could have moved 800 tons 10 miles.
      Kind of makes you wanna do a reality check LOL

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      Quote Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD View Post
      Puma Punku? Each stone was 800 tons. We don't have any type of machinery in this day that can lift that much weight. If they didn't use diamonds to cut them, then they must have had some type of levitation device or something. The nearest quarry they were saying was like 10 miles.

      What could have moved 800 tons 10 miles.
      Actually, the larger the stone, the easier it is to move in some respects. The larger the stone, the larger it's center of gravity. It is easier to balance the stone to create pivot points for "walking" it. If you've never seen the technique used, check out Wally's videos:

      http://www.theforgottentechnology.com/

      They're pretty self explanatory. The same basic concepts can be applied to stones of any size. Our ancestors were not idiots, and they were not lazy. They knew what they were doing, and had massive labor forces to work with.

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