[20:21:23] <OpheliaG> in my bedroom
[20:21:31] <Linkzelda> Does the biting help with awarness for you?
[20:21:32] <OpheliaG> so he's just a temp thing
[20:21:35] <Linkzelda> Ah okay.
[20:21:40] <Linkzelda> awarenesS*
[20:21:56] <Linkzelda> I'll stop for now, don't want to hog all the questions.
[20:22:08] <OpheliaG> no it just pisses me off lol, but Oreoboy1996 is helping me with that haha. I need to be more calm during the transition, instead of trying to control it
[20:22:12] <OpheliaG> that's when he bites me
[20:22:27] <Oreoboy1996> lol nothing wrong with too many questions Linkzelda
[20:22:29] <Linkzelda> I guess I should be grateful no demon wants to bite me xD
[20:22:37] <Linkzelda> =P
[20:22:41] <OpheliaG> yeah it's a pisser
[20:22:45] <Alyzarin> sounds kinky to me X3
[20:22:47] <realdealmagic> You're not hogging Linkzelda... It's good to read xD
[20:22:47] <OpheliaG> so syth406, what you got
[20:23:19] <syth406> Oreoboy mentioned fire breathing as a reality check, and it's working the best out of all of them so far.
[20:23:35] <OpheliaG> oooo what's firebreathing??
[20:23:36] <Linkzelda> I wish I could do those abstract things
[20:23:44] <Oreoboy1996> i was just using that as an example that hundreds of things could be reality checks
[20:23:47] <syth406> Whenever I yawn, I try to breathe fire, and I think I've done it once or twice in my dreams now.
[20:23:48] <Oreoboy1996> but i'm glad it works for you lol
[20:23:55] <OpheliaG> haha that's badass
[20:24:14] <realdealmagic> Hmm. I might start with that
[20:24:51] <OpheliaG> Link, it is quite possible you over think things. I bet I'm the first person to tell yuo that ever.
[20:25:03] <Linkzelda> Alyzarin tells me that as well, hahaa
[20:25:12] <Linkzelda> But I'm just really passionate with it.
[20:25:17] <OpheliaG> and as a result yuo put alot of pressure on yourself
[20:25:23] <Linkzelda> Yeah =/
[20:25:44] <Linkzelda> ooooh
[20:25:55] <Oreoboy1996> when you think about it, lucid dreaming a lot of time requires no thinking
[20:25:55] <Linkzelda> OpheliaG: Have you had dreams where you were cooking and
[20:25:58] <realdealmagic> Just think of it as, you're in a dream, you CAN do anything. Anybody can do anything. Imagine it? You can achieve it! Remember that, and you'll be fune
[20:26:05] <Linkzelda> used the dreaming to destroy a "cooking" block?
[20:26:09] <Linkzelda> and apply it to waking life?
[20:26:23] <Linkzelda> Oreoboy1996: yeah, it's just with WILDing, the relaxation phase is just a pain.
[20:26:27] <OpheliaG> I?! I have never had a cooking block!
[20:26:36] <Linkzelda> Shifting into something that's usually unconscious is hard for me.
[20:26:41] <Linkzelda> oh okay.
[20:26:52] <Linkzelda> which is why I do the CANWILD to skip the relaxation phase.
[20:27:00] <Oreoboy1996> when it comes to WILD the waiting part is the pain lol
[20:27:05] <Linkzelda> yeah
[20:27:10] <Linkzelda> that's what I meant, sorry.
[20:27:14] <realdealmagic> I can never even reach teh SP
[20:27:23] <Oreoboy1996> i'm going to experiment with WILD and try to master it next year
[20:27:31] <Linkzelda> Good luck Oreoboy1996
[20:27:44] <Linkzelda> realdealmagic: I think it's mostly because you're going through NREM
[20:27:44] <Oreoboy1996> i think i'm getting close to creating the right WILD technique for me
[20:27:56] <Linkzelda> because I think SP is when you're awake, and still feel your body being paralyzed
[20:28:00] <Linkzelda> nice Oreoboy1996
[20:28:07] <OpheliaG> realdealmagic: I know I have said this before, maybe not to you, I don't always get SP when I WILD or DEILD
[20:28:17] <realdealmagic> Idk if you've said that or not xD
[20:28:24] <realdealmagic> I tend to fall asleep though, that's my biggest downfall
[20:28:26] <Linkzelda> Yeah, I usually get vibrations
[20:28:36] <Linkzelda> or a fuzzy feeling when I go into a dream state
[20:28:43] <realdealmagic> How do you stop yourselves from falling asleep?
[20:28:51] <Linkzelda> Using an anchor
[20:28:56] <Linkzelda> And that's hard for me D:
[20:28:59] <realdealmagic> ...?
[20:29:01] <OpheliaG> well that's just it, you DO fall asleep, you just maintain awareness as you do
[20:29:08] <Linkzelda> realdealmagic: likee something to keep yourself aware
[20:29:15] <realdealmagic> I can't maintain the awareness when I do, is what I mean ophelia.
[20:29:20] <Linkzelda> It shifts you in the right path, while not relying on it too much.
[20:29:22] <syth406> White noise can help
[20:29:32] <OpheliaG> paying attention to every single level you go through between awake and sleep
[20:29:44] <OpheliaG> syth406: oh totally, I have a box fan set on 2 all night
[20:30:06] <Linkzelda> Hmm
[20:30:15] <realdealmagic> I have a hard time paying attention to it without focusing on it as well.
[20:30:20] <Linkzelda> It always amazes me when people can just listen to a fan as an anchor
[20:30:24] <Linkzelda> yeah same here.
[20:30:31] <Linkzelda> It usually makes distorting effect
[20:30:36] <Linkzelda> Man I really do over think things.
[20:30:46] <realdealmagic> I feel like I start to have the images in my head, but when I actually notice them, they go away and I'm back in stage 1.
[20:30:50] <OpheliaG> yeah you need to be tired enough.. it always works for me if I have to wake up when I don't want to, then go back to sleep
[20:31:04] <realdealmagic> WILDing Ophelia?
[20:31:17] <OpheliaG> well it's DEILDing, which is a form of WILD
[20:31:32] <realdealmagic> Right
[20:31:33] <OpheliaG> like mini-WILDs and they link together, forming dream chains
[20:31:40] <realdealmagic> Yeah, I've read on DEILD
[20:31:43] <Linkzelda> realdealmagic: about the images, if you see the images next time, you can imagine yourself grabbing on to the image before it flees
[20:31:45] <OpheliaG> ah ok
[20:31:55] <Linkzelda> There was this guide on "fast-grab" technique, but I forgot the link
[20:32:04] <realdealmagic> But when I do that, I start to imagine myself grabbing the image rather than the image itself.
[20:32:05] <Linkzelda> Only worked once for me though
[20:32:11] <Linkzelda> Oh.
[20:32:18] <OpheliaG> when I say "pay attention to the levels", I meant that as an ongoing process, over time
[20:32:35] <OpheliaG> aware of the different levels, apart from just "awake" and "asleep"
[20:33:08] <OpheliaG> and it's very very personal.. there are som similarities from person to person,
[20:33:20] <realdealmagic> Ah right, I understand I think.
[20:33:22] <realdealmagic> http://www.dreamviews.com/f49/malacs-fast-grab-
[20:33:27] <Linkzelda> omg thanks!!!
[20:33:31] <Linkzelda> that's the link
[20:33:40] <Linkzelda> I might use that along with the V-WILD when
[20:33:44] <Linkzelda> I wake up from the alarm.
[20:34:34] <Linkzelda> OpheliaG: Regarding dream eyes, do you find yourself being challenged when testing to see if you can open them without worrying too much about waking life eyes opeining?
[20:34:38] <Linkzelda> opening*
[20:34:47] <Linkzelda> And if so, how do you normally defeat that challenge
[20:34:48] <OpheliaG> totally, Link.
[20:35:12] <OpheliaG> I defeated it by saying "fuck it" and opened them anyway.. and now I find I open them in a dream
[20:35:41] <Linkzelda> Oh.
[20:35:42] <Linkzelda> =X
[20:35:44] <realdealmagic> See the "Freefall WILD" technique?
[20:35:51] <realdealmagic> Have you read it?
[20:35:51] <Linkzelda> By jeff realdealmagic ?
[20:35:54] <Linkzelda> yeah.
[20:35:55] <realdealmagic> Yeah
[20:36:04] <Linkzelda> My body isn't that generous with me
[20:36:06] <realdealmagic> Right, I don't understand what he means by illogical imagery.
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[20:36:17] <Linkzelda> Probably like abstract and fractals
[20:36:22] <Linkzelda> things you're not used to seeing.
[20:36:24] <Linkzelda> hey DreamBot
[20:36:27] <Oreoboy1996> hello dreamerjon23
[20:36:28] <Linkzelda> I mean dreamerjon23
[20:36:37] <dreamerjon23> is it cool if I listen in?
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[20:36:51] <Oreoboy1996> hello RareCola
[20:36:55] <RareCola> Hey
[20:36:55] <OpheliaG> hey RareCola!
[20:36:56] <realdealmagic> RareCola! You're late >.> ;P
[20:37:03] RareCola forgot the time... again
[20:37:05] <OpheliaG> 5 points from Gryffindor
[20:37:10] <Oreoboy1996> lol
[20:37:15] <RareCola> What have we been chatting about then?
[20:37:18] <Linkzelda> Oreoboy1996: How do you normally overcome opening your dream eyes instead of your waking life eyes?
[20:37:20] <Oreoboy1996> WILD
[20:37:23] <OpheliaG> hey dreamerjon23, and sure
[20:37:32] <dreamerjon23> kk
[20:37:38] <dreamerjon23> hey OpheliaG
[20:37:39] <Oreoboy1996> well I've only used WILD once or twice
[20:37:57] <Oreoboy1996> the first time it happened to me i could just feel I'm dreaming and opened my eyes with confidence
[20:38:04] <OpheliaG> Linkzelda: if it helps, usually if you open your eyes once you're getting the HI, you're golden.. that was the main boundry I had to cross
[20:38:11] <Oreoboy1996> there's always this strange feeling around me when i dream
[20:38:34] <dreamerjon23> hi Link
[20:38:39] <Oreoboy1996> when i create my WILD technique I plan to enter the dream from a daydream
[20:38:46] <Oreoboy1996> which is v-wild i think
[20:38:57] <RareCola> Can't wait to start WILDing, Sageous' class is looking really good so far
[20:39:00] <Linkzelda> Yeah, I'll have to use V-WILD in canWILD attempts
[20:39:16] <Linkzelda> OpheliaG: I see
[20:39:35] <Linkzelda> It's just the fear of seeing all the waiting for 30-45+ minutes
[20:39:41] <Linkzelda> going to waste scares me to open them.
[20:39:51] <Linkzelda> Guess I should be more confident then.
[20:39:59] <OpheliaG> RareCola: hey is Sageous doing any chat classes?
[20:40:19] <RareCola> I asked him about that, he didn't even realise he could use the IRC for classes. He said he was going to look into it
[20:40:22] <RareCola> He's somewhat uninformed
[20:40:25] <Linkzelda> =P
[20:40:53] <RareCola> Btw Ophelia, were you asking about what the rollover signal was in my workbook?
[20:40:56] <OpheliaG> let him know I can help with that if he wants, because I would love to sit in on a class or two, I've heard great things
[20:41:28] <OpheliaG> and yes to your question
[20:41:53] <Linkzelda> Yeah, I was worried Sageous might be overwhelmed as well.
[20:42:07] <RareCola> It's that signal from the mind to the body to check to see if you're still awake. When you're laying on your back it's usually a strong sensation to roll over, it's what you choose to ignore to go into a WILD
[20:42:15] <Linkzelda> yeah
[20:42:23] <RareCola> When you're laying on your side though, the "roll over signal" is more of an urge to move your legs
[20:42:42] <OpheliaG> hrmm...
[20:43:10] <OpheliaG> so if you move your legs a bit but don't roll over, it's better for a WILD? Is that what you're saying?
[20:43:28] <OpheliaG> and holy crap I had no idea Sageous was doing the WILD class all by himself O_O
[20:43:35] <Linkzelda> Pretty much yeah lol
[20:43:41] <Oreoboy1996> that's got to be hard O_O
[20:43:43] <Linkzelda> except he's planning to make a thread
[20:43:46] <Linkzelda> instead of workbooks
[20:43:53] <Linkzelda> because there would be A LOT of checking lol
[20:43:58] <OpheliaG> YEAH there would
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[20:44:13] <Linkzelda> Ihey syth406
[20:44:16] <OpheliaG> wb syth406
[20:44:16] <Linkzelda> hey*
[20:44:26] <Oreoboy1996> what annoys me about WILD attempts is I sometimes get the feeling of 100 needles in my back
[20:44:28] <syth406> hey guise
[20:44:34] <dreamerjon23> !brb snack
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[20:44:36] <Oreoboy1996> and it's hard to resist not scratching it
[20:44:36] <Linkzelda> Oreoboy1996: owch
[20:44:39] <Linkzelda> yeah
[20:44:41] <Oreoboy1996> i know
[20:44:47] <syth406> WILDING raises my blood pressure
[20:44:49] <OpheliaG> yeah Fredrik was complaining about the itching
[20:44:51] <Linkzelda> And sometimes I might have an actual itch rather than the test signal
[20:44:58] <RareCola> Well you go into WILD when your mind thinks you're asleep and paralyses your body. It checks this with "roll over signals", though despite the name it's not always a signal to roll over. If you respond to any of these roll over signals, including moving your legs, it resets the process because the mind then realises that you're not asleep.
[20:45:11] <Linkzelda> syth406: It's natural when that happens though, it usually happens when you're unconscious
[20:45:21] <Linkzelda> I had my blood pressure rise up for a while going into a dream
[20:45:22] <RareCola> So I was getting insomnia because when laying on my side I would frequently move my legs, which told my mind I was awake and gradually kept making me more and more awake
[20:45:29] <Linkzelda> but it usually settles down.
[20:45:45] <Linkzelda> RareCola: do you ever take Melatonin to help with the Insomina?
[20:45:54] <Linkzelda> Alyzarin: you know what I mean right
[20:46:03] <RareCola> It's only insomnia when I WBTB, but I figured out the cause now, Linkzelda
[20:46:08] <Linkzelda> Ah okay.
[20:46:10] <Alyzarin> about insomnia?
[20:46:15] <Linkzelda> yeah Alyzarin
[20:46:20] <Oreoboy1996> I simply plan to use daydreams in my future WILD attempts because they keep my mind away from a lot of things
[20:46:20] <Linkzelda> but he said it's only during wbtb
[20:46:34] <Alyzarin> yeah, melatonin is great for insomnia, but it'd be hurtful during wbtb
[20:46:39] <Linkzelda> I hope to use that method as well, the day rreaming
[20:46:40] <Alyzarin> since it induces non-REM
[20:46:42] <Linkzelda> dreaimg*
[20:46:55] <Linkzelda> I've actually laid off the melatonin for that same raeson.
[20:46:56] <Linkzelda> reason*
[20:47:06] <RareCola> Basically the more you respond to roll over signals, like I was doing after my WBTB, the more awake it makes you because you keep telling your mind that you're awake
[20:47:08] <Alyzarin> but that's why it's helpful when you take it at the right time >w<
[20:47:23] <OpheliaG> Oreoboy1996: I use daydreams alot in between my DEILDs.. I just thought those were incubations
[20:47:51] <OpheliaG> that's interesting RareCola.. I have alot of rollover-related insomnia
[20:47:55] <Linkzelda> Alyzarin: yeah I always take it an hour before or 30 minutes before I sleep
[20:47:56] <Oreoboy1996> i remember once I almost did a WILD with daydreaming
[20:48:07] <Oreoboy1996> i felt sleep paralysis and decided to daydream to keep my mind off of it
[20:48:10] <Linkzelda> Oreoboy1996: was it on the bed or
[20:48:11] <Oreoboy1996> and then i got sucked into it
[20:48:15] <Linkzelda> sitting on a desk
[20:48:20] <Oreoboy1996> bed
[20:48:23] <Linkzelda> ah oaky
[20:48:24] <Linkzelda> okay*
[20:48:26] <RareCola> Yea I've been researching all about roll over signals, they're really interesting. Cause most people's insomnia
[20:48:33] <Oreoboy1996> i don't think i could WILD at a desk lol
[20:48:49] <OpheliaG> haha
[20:49:00] <OpheliaG> melanie can DEILD in a chair in her livingroom
[20:49:05] <OpheliaG> I'm so envious
[20:49:06] <RareCola> O_o
[20:49:08] <Linkzelda> Yeah!
[20:49:12] <Linkzelda> It's because of her schedule
[20:49:13] <Oreoboy1996> although if i'm tired enough i can sleep anywhere
[20:49:17] <Linkzelda> and rem rebound and all
[20:49:36] <Linkzelda> And I see that's almost the same as you OpheliaG
[20:49:45] <Linkzelda> working those shifts, and then having the other days to lucid dream.
[20:49:58] <Linkzelda> I'm envious of that D:
[20:50:05] <realdealmagic> I can't wait until these bloody exams are over.
[20:50:08] <OpheliaG> yeah but I'm in a bed.. personal comfort is of the utmost importance to me
[20:50:20] <Alyzarin> hmmmm
[20:50:26] <Linkzelda> ah okay
[20:50:30] <Alyzarin> is Melanie's chair one of those big comfy ones that leans back?
[20:50:39] <Alyzarin> because I could actually seeing that as being easier than a bed X3
[20:50:48] <Linkzelda> I've tried using pillows to shift my neck slanted so I don't have to do the swallow reflex as often for wild attempts
[20:50:59] <Linkzelda> then the next challenge is the jaw stabilization without having conscious effort
[20:50:59] <OpheliaG> not sure, it probably is.. I have this weird position that i HAVE to do
[20:51:09] <Linkzelda> I just don't have another pillow to tuck into my neck unfortunately :/
[20:51:10] <OpheliaG> or sleep is futile lol
[20:51:18] <Linkzelda> Oh that sucks =/
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[20:51:27] <Oreoboy1996> hello melanieb
[20:51:28] <RareCola> speak of the devil
[20:51:32] <Linkzelda> yay you're on!
[20:51:40] <melanieb> Just took me a little looking around
[20:51:41] <Oreoboy1996> i can only sleep on my side/stomach
[20:51:43] <OpheliaG> sweeeet! melanieb, were your ears burning just now?
[20:51:53] <Oreoboy1996> which hurts my shoulder sometimes in the morning :/
[20:51:57] <RareCola> We were talking about your awesome chair
[20:52:00] <OpheliaG> lol
[20:52:03] <Linkzelda> yeah melanieb
[20:52:05] <Linkzelda> =p
[20:52:12] <melanieb> Link told me
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[20:52:18] <Oreoboy1996> and i think that shoulder pain usually translates to something hurting my shoulder in a dream
[20:52:20] <realdealmagic> melanieb: Never seen you in chat. Hello n_n
[20:52:21] <Oreoboy1996> hello ExoG
[20:52:31] <melanieb> Just downloaded my IRC a few minutes ago
[20:52:40] <RareCola> So many people here today! Guess everyone's hopping in as it's the last week
[20:52:42] <melanieb> *waves* at everyone
[20:52:49] Linkzelda waves
[20:52:53] OpheliaG waves
[20:52:54] ExoG also waves.
[20:52:59] <Linkzelda> oh wow, hey ExoG
[20:53:02] realdealmagic waves as well, only with two hands.
[20:53:04] <OpheliaG> hey ExoG
[20:53:09] <melanieb> So, what did I miss?
[20:53:17] <OpheliaG> I'm gonna have to stay a bit past 9 me thinks
[20:53:17] <Linkzelda> WILD, dream stabilization, daydreaming
[20:53:24] <Linkzelda> dream character summoning
[20:53:43] <melanieb> Summoning and stabilization, something I need to work on
[20:53:47] <Linkzelda> Same
[20:54:04] <Linkzelda> melanieb: when you used a reality check of your hands turning blue
[20:54:10] <Linkzelda> do you think you could use that as a power in your dreams?
[20:54:13] <Oreoboy1996> i have problems with those too but i plan to fix them
[20:54:15] <melanieb> I have no trouble with Lucidity, just keeping myself focused enough to change more things
[20:54:18] <Linkzelda> like absorbing a concrete wall
[20:54:25] <Linkzelda> and your whole body taking the form of it.
[20:54:36] <dreamerjon23|BRB> I have a trick for summoning
[20:54:36] <melanieb> I don't know. First time I ever turned my hands blue
[20:54:39] <dreamerjon23|BRB> !back
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[20:54:44] <Linkzelda> ah okay
[20:54:49] <Linkzelda> wb
[20:54:59] <OpheliaG> wow that was quick
[20:54:59] <RareCola> I'd be quite happy just getting a second lucid dream right now! Maybe I'll have some luck tonight
[20:55:13] <melanieb> Maybe if I could recapture that moment and how I did it.
[20:55:14] <dreamerjon23> l===focus on it happening 2 or 3 scenes in from where you are in the dream
[20:55:17] <realdealmagic> I'm gonna lucid tonight.
[20:55:21] <dreamerjon23> that the dc will come in
[20:55:22] <Linkzelda> gl realdealmagic
[20:55:24] <melanieb> I credit my weird sleep schedule with my luck in dreaming
[20:55:26] <dreamerjon23> wherever you end up
[20:55:26] <OpheliaG> ok y'all keep chitchatting, I'm hanging here a while but I have to go to the bathroom
[20:55:29] <OpheliaG> !brb
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[20:55:37] <realdealmagic> Thank ya
[20:55:48] ExoG remembered a part of a dream this morning; hopes he can keep remembering things.
[20:56:04] <melanieb> Write down notes as you wake up, it'll help you recall
[20:56:21] <melanieb> I use notes and key words when I don't have time to write my dreams down
[20:56:24] <Oreoboy1996> my dream recall is getting a little shaky because i'm actually too lazy to write down notes -_-
[20:56:25] <Linkzelda> Nice ExoG !
[20:56:29] <dreamerjon23> ty Link
[20:56:31] <ExoG> I was lucky enought to wake up before I was forced awake, so that probably helped.
[20:56:37] <ExoG> s/ht/h/
[20:56:54] <Linkzelda> That sucks, I think that's your greatest obstacle
[20:57:05] <melanieb> When forced awake, simply close eyes, allow body to relax...it'll help
[20:57:13] <Linkzelda> yeah
[20:57:47] <melanieb> I wish you luck, realdealmagic
[20:57:57] <realdealmagic> Thank you melanieb
[20:57:59] <melanieb> It's so rare that I get lucid during my nighttime sleep period
[20:58:08] <melanieb> YW
[20:58:14] <Linkzelda> Maybe because you sleep late
[20:58:36] <melanieb> I don't sleep late...I go back to sleep after taking my daughter to school
[20:58:41] <OpheliaG|BRB> !back
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[20:58:45] <Oreoboy1996> wb
[20:58:51] <dreamerjon23> to say it a bit more clear - focus on a DC appearing 3 scenes later in the dream, then walk along until they do.
[20:58:57] ExoG also plans to go to bed earlier today (if he can avoid getting caught up in programming stuff), so that should help, too.
[20:59:23] <Linkzelda> dreamerjon23: So like, going through a door, walking into a dream environment, and that doesn't work, repeat until they come along with you?
[20:59:27] <Oreoboy1996> i don't really have a plan
[20:59:31] <Linkzelda> if that doesn't work*
[21:00:09] <melanieb> I think going to bed earlier would make a WBTB easier in the night
[21:00:11] <Alyzarin> alright, I need to go >w<
[21:00:13] <dreamerjon23> ya, if they dont appear when you open a door just carry along through a few more rooms, or even go outside
[21:00:15] <Alyzarin> see you guys!
[21:00:17] <Linkzelda> take care Alyzarin
[21:00:17] <OpheliaG> awwww
[21:00:18] <dreamerjon23> they show up eventually
[21:00:18] <Oreoboy1996> bye Alyzarin
[21:00:19] <melanieb> Bye, Aly
[21:00:19] <OpheliaG> by Alyzarin
[21:00:21] <dreamerjon23> wb ophie
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[21:00:35] <Linkzelda> dreamerjon23: I'll try that, thank you! It almost worked before.
[21:00:41] <dreamerjon23> cool
[21:00:45] <dreamerjon23> np
[21:00:48] <RareCola> I've been failing with WBTB recently. Just end up going back to sleep after journalling in my laziness
[21:01:21] <Linkzelda> Hmm
[21:01:23] <realdealmagic> When WBTB'ing, for WILD, should you start WILDing straight away, or wait?
[21:01:30] <Linkzelda> maybe you should do something more engaging realdealmagic
[21:01:33] <Linkzelda> I mean RareCola
[21:01:51] <ExoG> realdealmagic: I think it works best to wait a little bit.
[21:01:51] <RareCola> Probably, find it hard to find things to do though
[21:02:07] <OpheliaG> in my experience, when i WBTB before DEILDing, I am awake from 6:55am until about 7:30 am, doing random things around the house
[21:02:14] <melanieb> For me it depends on timing and situation
[21:02:16] <ExoG> RareCola: (And maybe think about what you want to do while you are at it.)
[21:02:36] <Linkzelda> You could always doing some exercises
[21:02:36] <melanieb> The more tired I am when I get to my WBTB the better chance I have of succeeding
[21:02:37] <ExoG> That way, you won't be as likely to end up going straight back to sleep when you try to WILD.
[21:02:40] <OpheliaG> and at first, I just go to sleep normally, then I wake up again, on and off, and have my first DEILD at about 8 or 9am
[21:02:44] <Linkzelda> before you sleep to help with sleeping faster
[21:02:54] <Linkzelda> so that you can feel a little more awake in your wbtbs
[21:03:06] <OpheliaG> and yes to what melanieb just said
[21:03:09] <melanieb> I find exercise wakes the body up too much
[21:03:17] <Linkzelda> Do you set a timer around 8-9 am OpheliaG ?
[21:03:29] <Linkzelda> melanieb: you mean before you go to bed?
[21:03:34] <Linkzelda> not the wbtbs
[21:04:11] <melanieb> Yeah, before bed. I do have a vogorous walk up to the school in the morning but I fall back into my REM cycle within 30 minutes
[21:04:18] <RareCola> I'm still struggling to find the best time to wake up for my WBTB. I seem to always either wake up too tired or wake up too late in my sleep cycle and can't get back to sleep
[21:04:21] <Linkzelda> oh :/
[21:04:31] <Linkzelda> RareCola: you could set a timer
[21:04:39] <Linkzelda> maybe try with 3.5 hours
[21:04:43] <OpheliaG> Linkzelda: I don't, I just naturally wake up o nand off when I sleep in
[21:04:43] <Linkzelda> and increase your way up
[21:04:47] <realdealmagic> I'm the same RareCola.
[21:04:54] <Linkzelda> OpheliaG: oh
[21:04:55] <OpheliaG> but that's my personal thing, might be different for others
[21:05:09] <OpheliaG> what about you melanieb?
[21:05:10] <melanieb> For my I find 4 to 4.5 hours works well
[21:05:14] <melanieb> me
[21:05:17] <OpheliaG> ah ok
[21:05:19] <Linkzelda> yeah
[21:05:24] <Linkzelda> I normally go for that range too
[21:05:27] <melanieb> But that's me
[21:05:33] <Linkzelda> yeah everyone's different
[21:05:36] <OpheliaG> yeah I'm a sleep addict in a major way
[21:05:41] <Linkzelda> lucky you
[21:05:48] <Linkzelda> Sometimes I wake up before the alarm I set
[21:05:56] <Linkzelda> and it's 20 minutes or so before, always irritates me
[21:05:59] <OpheliaG> but that's because I'm an insomniac on my work days
[21:06:01] <RareCola> Is it best to stick to 90 minute periods for WBTB, e.g. 4.5hrs / 6hrs or can you adjust this a bit?
[21:06:02] <Linkzelda> because I have to reset it to a new time.
[21:06:03] <OpheliaG> a blessing and a curse
[21:06:06] <melanieb> I also wake naturally in the night to pee, so if I stay up late and then have to wake early for school, getting 4+ hours of sleep sets me up perfectly for WBTB
[21:06:21] <Linkzelda> RareCola: yeah that's what I do I normally get at least 3.5 hours of sleep, set it to 90 minute intervals
[21:06:25] <OpheliaG> so what time are your lucids melanieb, if you had to take a guess?
[21:06:42] <Linkzelda> because I usually get near the final levels of NREM that time
[21:06:49] <Linkzelda> and start getting into the REM
[21:06:54] <melanieb> Time of the morning/night?
[21:07:18] <RareCola> Strangely though, with my first lucid I think my WBTB was at about 5 - 5.5 hours into my sleep cycle
[21:07:25] <Linkzelda> I normally sleep around 11-midnight, wake up at 3:45 or so at 11pm or 4:45 am at midnight
[21:07:33] <Linkzelda> for the wbtbs
[21:07:35] <melanieb> ?
[21:07:38] <OpheliaG> melanieb: yes
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[21:07:56] <Linkzelda> hey wana
[21:07:56] <OpheliaG> like, my DEILDs occur between 8-10am or so
[21:08:01] <OpheliaG> hey wana, welcome!
[21:08:14] <Linkzelda> Wait OpheliaG so what time do you go to sleep
[21:08:14] <wana> hello secret organisation
[21:08:26] <Linkzelda> lol
[21:08:27] <wana> whats the topic about ?
[21:08:27] <OpheliaG> Linkzelda: midnight or 1am
[21:08:31] <Linkzelda> oooh
[21:08:34] <melanieb> If I go to sleep at 2:30, like I did the other night, I might not recall a dream until I WBTB around 8:45A.M. I wake up at 6:30A.M. and I'm up until about 8:30
[21:08:52] <OpheliaG> right now we're discussing at what time to set alarms for WBTB, and subsequently, what time our LDs normally occur
[21:08:52] <RareCola> wana: WBTB and DEILDs
[21:08:54] <Linkzelda> wana: wilding, daydreaming, dream stabilization, summoning, wbtbs, etc
[21:09:00] <wana> yaay
[21:09:02] <wana> my thing
[21:09:12] <Oreoboy1996> my LDs normally in the night
[21:09:14] <wana> gigs im going to get rpior sleep for a wild in some secs
[21:09:16] <Oreoboy1996> that's all i can really say lol
[21:09:18] <melanieb> I have a regular m-f schedule, like you Ophelia, so every morning I get up at the same time'
[21:09:21] <Oreoboy1996> it's somewhat random to me
[21:09:25] <Linkzelda> gl wana
[21:09:34] <RareCola> I think i'll try my WBTB at 5hrs tonight, see how it goes from there.
[21:09:36] ExoG goes to bed between 2300 and 0600 (sometimes later), averaging around 0300.
[21:09:37] <OpheliaG> I think for straight up WILDs, the LDs occur at intervals durign the night
[21:09:41] <Linkzelda> gl RareCola
[21:09:41] <melanieb> What varies is when I go to sleep at night and if I go back to sleep at all
[21:09:47] <OpheliaG> for DEILDs, it's early to late morning, depending
[21:09:52] <realdealmagic> I'm gonna go get some shuteye. It's 3am :L
[21:09:56] <realdealmagic> Night all
[21:09:57] <Linkzelda> oh wow
[21:09:58] <wana> hi melanieb
[21:09:59] <Linkzelda> night realdealmagic !
[21:10:01] <Oreoboy1996> good night realdealmagic
[21:10:02] <realdealmagic> WBTB for 5.5 hours.
[21:10:05] <realdealmagic> Will gain results!
[21:10:10] <Linkzelda> it should
[21:10:16] <RareCola> Highfive for living in the UK, realdealmagic
[21:10:22] <realdealmagic> Hi5 RC! ;D
[21:10:22] <Linkzelda> I remember sleeping for 6 hours for my first lucid with canwild
[21:10:31] <RareCola> Goodnight, fellow brit
[21:10:31] <dreamerjon23> night rdm
[21:10:35] Linkzelda reality checks when he sees RC
[21:10:36] OpheliaG 's cat HAS to give her arm a bath at this moment
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[21:10:43] <melanieb> I had my WILD the other day, Sunday morning, because I stayed up way late (5:48A.M.) and then the noise from next door put me right into it
[21:10:49] <OpheliaG> bye!
[21:10:59] <realdealmagic> G'night
[21:11:04] <OpheliaG> thanks for joining realdealmagic
[21:11:10] <realdealmagic> Thanks for helping Ophelia
[21:11:17] <melanieb> Bye, those who are leaving
[21:11:20] <OpheliaG> anytime
[21:11:26] <realdealmagic> BYE NOW
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[21:12:24] <OpheliaG> sooo many different ways to LD depending on sleep schedules and preferences and whatnot
[21:12:25] <melanieb> Like I said earlier, I wake up naturally every night, which will usually be between 3:30 and 5:30 A,M,
[21:12:29] Hukif [webchat@2A3532.7BC851.14E0C9.22B281] has joined #DVA
[21:12:35] <OpheliaG> hey Hukif!
[21:12:37] <Linkzelda> hey!
[21:12:40] <Hukif> This? Oh yeah, this.
[21:12:45] <dreamerjon23> hi Hukif
[21:12:46] <Oreoboy1996> hello Hukif
[21:12:53] <melanieb> That's my time to set myself up for a good LD
[21:12:58] <melanieb> Hi
[21:13:01] <OpheliaG> so you are able to enter a lucid dream after you get up to go to the batroom at that time melanieb?
[21:13:05] <Hukif> hihi
[21:13:13] <dreamerjon23> Oreoboy1996: what are you focused on right niow?
[21:13:20] <melanieb> Sometimes yes, sometimes no
[21:13:21] ExoG hears a Vim session full of code calling to him. "No! You shan't have anymore of my night!" He turns away momentarily. "Okay, just for a little bit."
[21:13:33] <melanieb> Too many variables play into it
[21:13:55] <Oreoboy1996> i'm focused on my goal of 500 LDs this year and crafting my magic necklace
[21:13:59] <Oreoboy1996> that's really it right now
[21:14:12] <dreamerjon23> mmh
[21:14:16] <melanieb> It occurs to me I haven't even counted
[21:14:28] <dreamerjon23> I used to like a magic ring that would appear in the sky occasionally
[21:14:31] <Oreoboy1996> i like to count to keep track of my progress
[21:14:32] ExoG lost count back in 2010.
[21:14:39] <Linkzelda> I've only had 24+ lucid dreams out of 200+ entries
[21:14:40] <Linkzelda> =(
[21:14:49] <melanieb> That's good, Link
[21:14:52] <RareCola> I had a goal for 2 more LDs before the end of May. Only 2 weeks left :l
[21:14:52] <ExoG> And I didn't document all of them. :<
[21:14:58] <melanieb> Lots of people on DV don't have that
[21:15:01] <Linkzelda> well that's including last year too melanieb
[21:15:05] <Linkzelda> not this year.
[21:15:08] <Oreoboy1996> i wouldn't be surprised if a goal i have planned for the future comes first though
[21:15:09] <melanieb> I know
[21:15:09] <Linkzelda> not just this year*
[21:15:13] <Linkzelda> oh
[21:15:15] <melanieb> I saw when you joined
[21:15:16] <OpheliaG> Since I was 8 years old, I've had LDs, but I know I've had dryspells that lasted years
[21:15:18] <dreamerjon23> nice scholarship Link
[21:15:25] <Linkzelda> what scholarship
[21:15:28] <dreamerjon23> lol
[21:15:31] <Linkzelda> oh the dream journal stuff
[21:15:37] <Linkzelda> yeah I try hard in having a daily DJ
[21:15:42] <melanieb> I have more LDs now that I've controlled my tendency to have migraines
[21:15:57] <dreamerjon23> good
[21:15:57] <Linkzelda> that's good =)
[21:16:03] <OpheliaG> oh migraines? damn
[21:16:03] <dreamerjon23> I have 23 entries :/
[21:16:04] <ExoG> I wish I could use a recorder so bad. :<
[21:16:09] <dreamerjon23> and been here 3 years!
[21:16:09] <OpheliaG> glad you control them now
[21:16:16] <Oreoboy1996> i have 65 maybe
[21:16:18] <dreamerjon23> I removed a bunch though to be himest
[21:16:22] <dreamerjon23> honest*
[21:16:25] <melanieb> Started when I was a kid. Had to go through lots of medicines
[21:16:30] <Oreoboy1996> and about 60 more to write -_-
[21:16:32] <melanieb> Better now, only rarely
[21:16:43] <ExoG> Dream Journaling after waking up is like, "Ugh," because the last thing I usually end up wanting to do when I wake up is trying to deal with English language.
[21:16:47] <melanieb> Teeth time, kiddos...
[21:16:52] <dreamerjon23> Oreoboy1996: :/
[21:16:59] <Linkzelda> the dream journal system here: http://www.dreamviews.com/f26/dreamj...-dreams-91993/
helps a lot when you want to type some things out and save them to combine for later
[21:17:16] <Linkzelda> I used to the old color font while editing on the DJ
[21:17:20] <Hukif> I can't journal in anything else than english exo <.<
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[21:17:22] <Linkzelda> which got annoying until I used that program
[21:17:37] <Oreoboy1996> i'm lazy about my DJ but I'm at least going to meet my goal of recording every lucid this year
[21:17:45] <OpheliaG> oh what is that exactly Link?
[21:17:50] <Oreoboy1996> that was kind of my new years resolution
[21:18:03] <OpheliaG> yeah you should so record them Oreoboy1996
[21:18:14] <Linkzelda> it's a program that someone made a long time that records your dreams you've entered and has a "publish feature" to instantly take you to the dj edit system
[21:18:24] <Oreoboy1996> i get distracted from my dj and procrastinate a lot :/
[21:18:25] <dreamerjon23> I use a bunch of colors
[21:18:27] <Hukif> The one from banhurt?
[21:18:28] <Linkzelda> and usually you have to minimize the window, and copy the clipboard to paste on the editing
[21:18:29] <OpheliaG> the more dream details you remember, the more your subsequent dreams become enriched
[21:18:39] <Linkzelda> yeah Hukif
[21:18:54] <Linkzelda> I think it's important to recall my non-lucids instead of lucids
[21:19:02] <Linkzelda> even if they end up being ridiculous
[21:19:05] <OpheliaG> I never saw that banhurt thing before, I will check it out
[21:19:07] <OpheliaG> thanks Linkzelda!
[21:19:10] <Linkzelda> yw
[21:19:17] <RareCola> !brb a few minutes
[21:19:17] <Oreoboy1996> i write down basic notes that are like an outline after each lucid though
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[21:19:22] <Linkzelda> it helps with organizing, at least for me.
[21:19:33] <Linkzelda> yeah I try to write down notes too as well
[21:19:34] <Oreoboy1996> it allows me to remember most of the dream details
[21:19:40] <Oreoboy1996> even months later
[21:19:41] <Linkzelda> yeah
[21:19:44] <dreamerjon23> OpheliaG: wisdom!
[21:19:47] <OpheliaG> oh well that's better than nothing (and I should talk, all I did today is record my dream in that Share Your Dream thread lol
[21:20:01] <Linkzelda> hahaha
[21:20:27] <Linkzelda> Most people probably keep private djs anyway
[21:20:29] <OpheliaG> so hey, I have a question for yuo guys
[21:20:42] <Linkzelda> ;p
[21:20:45] <Linkzelda> ;O*
[21:20:48] <OpheliaG> kind of important because it takes into account some of what Reece said in his 5-layer videos,
[21:20:56] <dreamerjon23> k
[21:20:57] <Linkzelda> ok
[21:21:00] <Linkzelda> I remember him
[21:21:10] <Oreoboy1996> forgot to watch that D:
[21:21:14] <Hukif> What video?
[21:21:15] <OpheliaG> when you dream of DCs, especially characters that you love in real life, like mom, dad, son, daughter, etc,
[21:21:42] <OpheliaG> do you find it hard to deal with them? like even though you're lucid, is it hard to separate them from your lucid experience?
[21:21:48] <Linkzelda> Hukif: The 5 Layers of a Lucid Dream (4/5) - YouTube
[21:21:56] <Hukif> "watchs"
[21:21:57] <Linkzelda> it links to 4/5 but there should be all 5 vids there
[21:21:59] <Oreoboy1996> not really
[21:22:02] <OpheliaG> for example, I can't even deal with my son in an LD, because I'm afraid if I try to fly, I may drop him
[21:22:14] <Oreoboy1996> a certain scenario happened once where i actually wanted to kill them all :/
[21:22:20] <dreamerjon23> yes, I have to use a complete bugger off mentality, or they will try to take center in the dream
[21:22:24] ExoG has had a little argument with his grandmother [in a dream] about dreaming before.
[21:22:27] <Oreoboy1996> luckily i regained control of myself and stopped
[21:22:31] <OpheliaG> Reece says that i nthe higher levels, even your DCs will tell YOU that it's just a dream lol
[21:22:34] <Hukif> I just treat them like any other DC <.<
[21:22:41] <melanieb> Putting kiddo to sleep
[21:22:45] <Linkzelda> OpheliaG: Most of the time it's hard to avoid them in my dreams when I'm non-lucid, and I've had one dream where I was lucid and my mother distracted me to do small things like helping her getting some items.
[21:22:45] <ExoG> Actually, that entry in in my DV dream journal, too, I think.
[21:22:54] <OpheliaG> I just feel so damn protective of DC Chris
[21:23:13] <Oreoboy1996> really? I almost always have dream characters that treat the world like they know it's just a dream
[21:23:15] <OpheliaG> yeah and yuo can't exactly slap yuor mom, can you Link
[21:23:25] <Linkzelda> I could always kill her.
[21:23:27] <Linkzelda> in the dream that is
[21:23:34] <Linkzelda> But I usually forget
[21:23:35] <OpheliaG> yeah you have a really high level of lucidity Oreoboy1996, that's way cool
[21:23:47] <Oreoboy1996> or just nice dream characters
[21:23:51] <Hukif> lol yeah
[21:23:53] <OpheliaG> that's one reason I'm taking advantage of you being here tonight
[21:24:00] <Linkzelda> hahaha
[21:24:01] <ExoG> [02 Oct 2010] Lucid, Apartment - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views
[21:24:04] <ExoG> ^ Found it.
[21:24:09] <OpheliaG> and you too Hukif, I haven't forgotten that you're here
[21:24:21] <Hukif> I don't have nice DCs though <.<
[21:24:24] <Hukif> They are always non-lucid.
[21:24:27] <Linkzelda> nice recall ExoG
[21:24:33] <Oreoboy1996> you're not nice to your DCs either Hukif >.>
[21:24:34] <Linkzelda> Same here
[21:24:43] <Linkzelda> I've had some really nice blonde females with positive energy in my non-lucids
[21:24:50] <Linkzelda> but when I'm lucid, absolutely NO ONE
[21:24:52] <Linkzelda> =(
[21:24:53] <Hukif> What about the non-human ones? I am nice to them <.<
[21:24:55] <OpheliaG> haha, Hukif? you're mean to your DCs?
[21:24:58] <Linkzelda> lol
[21:25:04] <Hukif> Only the human ones lol
[21:25:07] <Linkzelda> hahaha
[21:25:12] <Oreoboy1996> well i'm just assuming he is
[21:25:16] <Oreoboy1996> with him being evil and all >.>
[21:25:20] <Linkzelda> I had an episode when trying out the FEILD method by Coder
[21:25:27] <Linkzelda> where I killed a lot of people =/
[21:25:33] <OpheliaG> ok brb real quick, dog issue
[21:25:35] <OpheliaG> !brb
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[21:25:45] <Hukif> Hm, how did that happen?
[21:25:48] <Oreoboy1996> speaking of dog issues
[21:26:04] <Oreoboy1996> i sometimes have dreams where my one dog knocks me over as i'm trying to stabilize -_-
[21:26:19] <dreamerjon23> LOL
[21:26:21] <dreamerjon23> classic
[21:26:22] <OpheliaG|BRB> !back
[21:26:23] <Linkzelda> Hukif: I used to use a mouse as an anchor for entering a dream, and when I let go of it, it meant I was going to drift to sleep. And the occasional holding on the mouse click probably made my mind associate that with PC video games
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[21:26:26] <OpheliaG> lol
[21:26:35] <Linkzelda> which compels me to having a lot of shooting and killing dreams.
[21:26:45] <Linkzelda> like first person shooters or third person view
[21:26:45] <Oreoboy1996> now that i think of it
[21:26:52] <Oreoboy1996> i could have probably used her for stabilization
[21:26:54] <RareCola|BRB> !back
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[21:27:02] <Linkzelda> and when I let go of the mouse, a music would play as well
[21:27:04] <OpheliaG> wb RareCola
[21:27:06] <Linkzelda> so that doubled as an anchor
[21:27:12] <RareCola> Thanks
[21:27:14] <Oreoboy1996> or just fly away or air blast her >.>
[21:27:16] <Hukif> Oh, interesting.
[21:27:25] <Linkzelda> lol Oreoboy1996
[21:27:25] RareCola drastically tries to catch up with the conversation
[21:27:31] <OpheliaG> ok I can stay for a few more minutes, then I have to give a chihuahua a flea bath lol
[21:27:33] <OpheliaG> no joke
[21:27:45] <Linkzelda> Hukif: yeah, but I couldn't do the technique for too long because I knew that having my hands on the mouse for too long would cause a strain on the wrist
[21:27:53] <RareCola> Haha, poor chihuahua
[21:27:56] <Linkzelda> lol haha
[21:28:01] <Hukif> "is afraid of chihuahuas"
[21:28:07] <Oreoboy1996> i was thinking poor Ophelia lol
[21:28:20] <melanieb> Back
[21:28:22] dreamerjon23 is afraid of water
[21:28:30] <dreamerjon23> anyway
[21:28:30] Oreoboy1996 is afraid of spiders
[21:28:35] RareCola is afraid of nothing
[21:28:40] <OpheliaG> she's a little softypoo
[21:28:43] <melanieb> I'm afraid of ants
[21:28:45] <Linkzelda> I'm actually afraid of deep water in my dreams
[21:28:47] <ExoG> In dreams or for real?
[21:28:48] <Oreoboy1996> RareCola I know you fear me >.>
[21:28:50] <Hukif> I am just afraid of dogs in general <.<
[21:28:53] <OpheliaG> I'm scared of pitbulls
[21:28:57] <Hukif> And like 50 other things.
[21:28:58] <Linkzelda> being underwater leads me to think of a huge sea creature
[21:29:01] <OpheliaG> btu I was attacked once
[21:29:06] <Oreoboy1996> i'm not scared of any dog
[21:29:10] <OpheliaG> lol Hukif, dang
[21:29:13] <Oreoboy1996> i'm really good with dogs
[21:29:16] <melanieb> I used to dream about being sucked down pipes when I was little
[21:29:28] <OpheliaG> oh that's scary
[21:29:29] ExoG does not deal with beign under water in dreams very well (asphixiation) or with things tha remind him of schizophrenia very well.
[21:29:33] <OpheliaG> and unusual melanieb
[21:29:42] <Linkzelda> poor ExoG
[21:29:43] <Linkzelda> =/
[21:29:44] <melanieb> Dog attacks suck...I was attacked a couple times also.
[21:29:47] <RareCola> It's weird, I never recall having nightmares. I guess just because I'm generally not afraid of much
[21:29:50] <dreamerjon23> damn mario influence
[21:29:52] <dreamerjon23> jkjkj
[21:29:53] <Linkzelda> oh my melanieb =(
[21:30:05] <Oreoboy1996> brb
[21:30:19] <OpheliaG> ok I'll stay logged on, and you guys can chitchat in here if you want. I'll be back in 20-30 or so if any of y'all think of any more questions
[21:30:23] <melanieb> Speaking of nightmares, I've had less than I can count on my two hands...in my life...is that unusual?
[21:30:24] <OpheliaG> !brb
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[21:30:29] <dreamerjon23> kk
[21:30:30] <melanieb> I've been wanting to find others like me
[21:30:31] <OpheliaG|BRB> that IS unusual
[21:30:34] <Hukif> Eh, I don't recall many nightmares either, despite being a scaredy cat <.<
[21:30:41] <Hukif> And pipes? Like mario?
[21:30:44] ExoG should note that he isn't schizophrenic, as far as he knows, but his brain makes a big deal in his dreams for some reason.
[21:30:50] <RareCola> Same for me, melanieb
[21:30:57] <Linkzelda> Think I'll leave myself, take care everyone
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[21:31:14] <RareCola> Infact, I think I've only ever had maybe 1 or 2 nightmares, and even in them I wasn't particularly "terrified"
[21:31:19] <melanieb> Pipes, like water pipes and drain pipes that let the water out of large pools...I had those dreams before Mario existed
[21:31:20] <Oreoboy1996> back
[21:31:50] <Oreoboy1996> the number of nightmares is different for everybody i'm sure
[21:32:03] <Oreoboy1996> most of my dreams are nightmares i think
[21:32:06] <melanieb> I have been thinking of starting a thread of people who do NOT have nightmares, and see how it affects dreams
[21:32:13] <dreamerjon23> oh my mistake melanieb
[21:32:19] <Oreoboy1996> but because i usually fight back and am not horribly scared i'm a little unsure
[21:33:02] <RareCola> That'd be interesting, melanieb
[21:33:12] <melanieb> My nightmares are rare, but they're probably all the more horrible when they happen.
[21:33:55] <melanieb> I'm not exaggerating about the number...less than a dozen real nightmares. I find that unusual among people I know
[21:34:31] <RareCola> Guess I'm more unusual, then
[21:34:37] <Oreoboy1996> just about every night is nightmarish for me
[21:34:40] <dreamerjon23> I had to adjust my attitude to be more aggressive around people, I think a few nightmares helped that, and I faught back like you Oreoboy1996
[21:35:06] <RareCola> That's really weird Oreo.
[21:35:11] <Hukif> Weird, I thought the normal was to not have many nightmares?
[21:35:12] <Oreoboy1996> after a while i just got tired of the nightmare's crap and started to beat the hell out of it lol
[21:35:12] <RareCola> Makes you wonder what affects it
[21:35:28] <Oreoboy1996> like micheal myers
[21:35:34] <Oreoboy1996> i used to run from him in nightmares
[21:35:49] <Oreoboy1996> then i realized i can easily deal with him by breaking his neck or something
[21:35:51] <ExoG> At least your nightmares are interesting.
[21:36:02] <Oreoboy1996> or even kill him with a door
[21:36:05] <Hukif> lol
[21:36:19] <melanieb> I dreamed about Michael Myers once...one of my nightmares, actually
[21:37:03] <Oreoboy1996> last time i dreamt of him, i killed him and then his spirit took over my body
[21:37:12] <Oreoboy1996> he then tried to force me to stab a baby
[21:37:15] <dreamerjon23> I still like the idea of facing a nightmare character and finding out what they represent
[21:37:28] <Oreoboy1996> but i regained control and blocked the knife with my arm
[21:37:33] <melanieb> He chased me through the Huck Finn (or was it Tom Sawyer?) tunnels and when I woke up I had a high fever and threw up. I was just a kid
[21:37:42] <Oreoboy1996> i then banished his spirit from my body and i haven't seen him since
[21:37:42] <melanieb> A baby?
[21:37:45] <melanieb> Ick
[21:38:02] <Oreoboy1996> yeah a while ago i was having a recurring theme of someone trying to kill a certain baby
[21:38:32] <dreamerjon23> what are your nightmare cures everyone?
[21:38:45] <Oreoboy1996> for most of them, fighting
[21:38:45] <melanieb> Waking up
[21:38:54] <Oreoboy1996> for that devil thing though, i had to seal him inside a crystal
[21:39:04] <Oreoboy1996> because he kept coming back to life -.-
[21:39:12] <Oreoboy1996> and micheal myers was similar i guess
[21:39:16] <Oreoboy1996> since i had to banish the spirit
[21:39:25] <dreamerjon23> ok quick story
[21:39:27] <Hukif> Eating the cause of the nightmare for me.
[21:40:45] <RareCola> Oreo has the most.... unique dreams
[21:40:51] <dreamerjon23> I once had an old friend who used to haunt me in my dreams and represent malicious character, again and again I would beat him till he was just a force of hate attacking me
[21:41:07] ExoG would probably be in spectator mode if Michael Myers were present in his dream.
[21:41:16] <dreamerjon23> one time I got exausted and gave up
[21:41:29] <dreamerjon23> after that the DC's smiled and it just passed
[21:41:36] <melanieb> Cool
[21:42:38] <Hukif> So all you had to do was give up? Now thats uncommon!
[21:42:50] <melanieb> Odd that
[21:43:08] <Oreoboy1996> i don't like giving up
[21:43:10] <Oreoboy1996> too stubborn
[21:43:18] <dreamerjon23> I tried to bottle the hate
[21:43:26] <dreamerjon23> eventually I learned I was making it up
[21:43:32] <dreamerjon23> :/
[21:45:42] <Hukif> Well, thats a cool way to end a nightmare.
[21:46:13] <dreamerjon23> ya I guess
[21:46:21] <dreamerjon23> thanks
[21:46:51] <melanieb> Nightmares should be banished
[21:47:09] <melanieb> Still, I find they give me variety
[21:47:20] <melanieb> Sometimes I wonder what it would be like to have more nightmares
[21:47:24] <Oreoboy1996> nightmares can be fun if you look at them with the right perspective
[21:47:39] <Hukif> Do self induced nightmares count?
[21:47:41] <Oreoboy1996> like how i fight and make a story out of them
[21:47:41] <melanieb> Hmmm....stabilize a nightmare....
[21:48:33] <RareCola> Why would you self-induce a nightmare?
[21:48:34] <RareCola> Lmao
[21:48:46] <melanieb> For the experience?
[21:48:55] <Hukif> Yup.
[21:49:05] <Hukif> And because I wanted to know what it felt like ot have no fears.
[21:49:06] <dreamerjon23> !away 10 mins
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[21:49:09] <RareCola> I guess, but kind of.. masochistic xD
[21:49:09] <Hukif> So gave them away to a single DC.
[21:49:13] <ExoG> Maybe one of those guys that feel sexy during nightmares.
[21:49:30] <Hukif> My little, cute daughter fear =D
[21:49:36] <Oreoboy1996> i become lucid easier in nightmares
[21:49:42] <Hukif> Took me like a year to get over being afraid of her <.<
[21:49:53] <Oreoboy1996> so if you were like that inducing nightmares could induce lucidity?
[21:50:17] <melanieb> Inducing nightmares suggests lucidity to begin with
[21:50:41] <Hukif> Well, if you dream of last thing in the night, not needed.
[21:50:45] <Hukif> But in my case, had to be lucid.
[21:52:42] <melanieb> So...winding down?
[21:52:52] <dreamerjon23|Away> Hukif: ah the story of life ^^
[21:53:03] <Oreoboy1996> seems so
[21:53:09] <Hukif> winding down?
[21:53:47] <melanieb> Winding down= almost time to quit for the night
[21:54:01] <Oreoboy1996> although Ophelia may be back soon
[21:54:06] <Hukif> Ah.
[21:54:12] <melanieb> She may...I'm waiting
[21:54:58] <melanieb> *sings* OPHELIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[21:55:17] <RareCola> Wonder how the fleas are doing
[21:55:29] <melanieb> fleas?
[21:55:38] <RareCola> Her dog has fleas
[21:55:43] <melanieb> On its knees
[21:56:00] <RareCola> Probably got them from the trees.
[21:56:36] <melanieb> Those trees are filled with bees
[21:56:52] <RareCola> Really? Jeez.
[21:57:04] <Oreoboy1996> saw a thread about high iq relating to lucid dreaming
[21:57:10] <Oreoboy1996> thread didn't make sense to me D:
[21:57:46] <Hukif> Debrajane linked 10% of above-average IQ to 10 estimate of lucid-dreamers, I think.
[21:57:52] <melanieb> Not being able to experience any other intelligence level than the one I have, there is no way to get perspective on having a different IQ
[21:57:54] <dreamerjon23|Away> I just remembered dream can be pretty amazing
[21:57:58] <dreamerjon23|Away> !back
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[21:58:25] <RareCola> Anyway, 4am here now. Think I'm going to sleep
[21:58:33] <Oreoboy1996> why can't the 10 of lucid dreaming be mixed?
[21:58:37] <Hukif> Have a lucid rare!
[21:58:43] <Oreoboy1996> good night RareCola
[21:58:51] <Hukif> Dunno... ask debra <.<
[21:58:52] <RareCola> Yes, really hoping for a lucid tonight
[21:58:53] <dreamerjon23> goodnight
[21:59:01] <RareCola> I'm due a lucid! ;l
[21:59:10] <RareCola> Haha, night guys
[21:59:10] <melanieb> Goodnight, RareCola
[21:59:28] <Oreoboy1996> i don't want to ask
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[22:00:21] <melanieb> Always best to ask the source
[22:00:29] <Hukif> Yeah.
[22:00:32] <Oreoboy1996> yeah but she's going based off of statistics
[22:01:01] <Oreoboy1996> i was hoping for a logical explanation as to how the iq helps with lucid dreaming
[22:01:32] <melanieb> Perhaps recognizing them as LDs?
[22:01:39] <melanieb> I've no idea
[22:01:42] <melanieb> Sounds silly
[22:02:02] <Oreoboy1996> it actually makes some sense and i could probably come up with a theory on my own
[22:02:03] <Hukif> It sounds like... relating totally unrelated stuff to em <.<
[22:02:06] <Oreoboy1996> but i don't feel like it -_-
[22:03:08] <dreamerjon23> ugh
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[22:04:42] <Oreoboy1996> hello paigey
[22:04:50] <melanieb> Hi
[22:04:56] <OpheliaG|BRB> hey Paigeyemps!
[22:05:01] <OpheliaG|BRB> !back
[22:05:02] OpheliaG|BRB [OpheliaBlue@DV-18983313.res.rr.com] is now known as OpheliaG
[22:05:04] <Oreoboy1996> maybe it's something like iq = brain power so iq = more powerful logic center
[22:05:05] <Hukif> haai
[22:05:06] <Hukif> and wb
[22:05:07] <melanieb> I was thinking about your name today
[22:05:16] <Paigeyemps> Hi
[22:05:18] <melanieb> Ophelia, wb
[22:05:28] <Paigeyemps> Im at school right now
[22:05:49] <melanieb> My clock says 10:06 P.M.
[22:05:58] <OpheliaG> hey melanieb
[22:06:01] <melanieb> boo
[22:06:06] <OpheliaG> I'm 6 minutes late
[22:06:27] <melanieb> Shame
[22:06:30] <OpheliaG> I was sneaky and did dishes after the dog bath
[22:06:37] <Oreoboy1996> lol
[22:07:15] <melanieb> So...any more questions for me, Ophelia? Did I iss anything at the beginning?
[22:08:16] <@GWave|Away> oh this is nice and packed in tonight's classroom
[22:08:23] <OpheliaG> probably not for you, this class is really beginner
[22:08:36] <OpheliaG> I just have alot of accomplished LDes, such as yourself, in the class as well
[22:08:43] <melanieb> I was just checking
[22:08:59] <OpheliaG> several people have several different issues with attaining lucidity
[22:09:09] <OpheliaG> not easy to knock out in a month
[22:09:15] <OpheliaG> do yuo have to go to bed now ?
[22:09:19] <melanieb> Weird thing is...I don't consider my LD habit as anything special. At least not yet. It's just the way I dream
[22:09:26] <Paigeyemps> Dang gtg another test
[22:09:28] <Paigeyemps> Cya later guys
[22:09:30] <OpheliaG> that's what I love about you
[22:09:33] <Oreoboy1996> bye paigey
[22:09:33] <OpheliaG> be Paigeyemps
[22:09:39] <OpheliaG> bye*
[22:09:44] <melanieb> Bye, Paigeyemps
[22:11:05] <melanieb> Gets so quiet
[22:11:23] <Oreoboy1996> ran out of things to talk about i guess
[22:11:42] <Hukif> Nah, we miss paige too much.
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[22:12:26] <Oreoboy1996> hello Merro
[22:12:32] <Merro> Hey
[22:12:33] GWave|Away [firstname.lastname@example.org] invites you to channel #OpheliasLipstick (double-click the channel name to join)
[22:12:36] <OpheliaG> hey there
[22:12:53] <Merro> How is everyone?
[22:13:04] <Oreoboy1996> silent lol
[22:13:05] <melanieb> Peachy
[22:13:21] <Merro> havent been in this channel for awhile now... :p
[22:13:30] <OpheliaG> sorry, I'm here
[22:13:47] <Merro> So what are we talking about tonight?
[22:13:52] <melanieb> Skydiving
[22:13:58] <Oreoboy1996> all kinds of things
[22:14:14] <Merro> Hmm
[22:14:24] <Oreoboy1996> not sure if i've ever intentionally sky dived
[22:14:30] <Merro> lol
[22:14:38] <Merro> skydiving in LDs? :p
[22:14:40] <Oreoboy1996> except the first time i was flying
[22:14:46] <Oreoboy1996> i hit a tree >.>
[22:14:49] <Hukif> lol
[22:15:05] <Merro> idk why I have my watch set to 11:15...
[22:15:09] <Merro> owell
[22:15:11] <Merro> Hit a tree?
[22:15:16] <melanieb> Never hit a tree....just you and George of the Jungle
[22:15:22] <Oreoboy1996> and the only time i can think of me jumping out of a plane was when it was landing
[22:15:32] <Oreoboy1996> and it hurt...
[22:15:45] <Merro> I remember this dream I had... It was kinda taking place from a different dream I had.
[22:15:59] <Merro> Was out side and I was riding on something that could fly...
[22:16:12] <Merro> Things were flooding around the area...
[22:16:14] <melanieb> Pegasus?
[22:16:16] <Merro> Could see it
[22:16:19] <Merro> no it was a machine :p
[22:16:43] <Merro> kinda like a ride you go on in a fair or w/e
[22:17:01] <OpheliaG> o hwell hell it's not that important, go to bed man
[22:17:11] <OpheliaG> oh shit
[22:17:14] <Merro> hm?
[22:17:14] <OpheliaG> sorry
[22:17:15] <melanieb> Eh?
[22:17:21] <Hukif> lol
[22:17:22] <Merro> wrong chat huh? lol
[22:17:26] <OpheliaG> that was SO not for this room lol
[22:17:30] <Merro> LOL
[22:17:33] <melanieb> So curious now
[22:17:35] <Merro> Hey, Shit happens :p
[22:17:47] <OpheliaG> yes, Go to bed, all of you!!
[22:17:54] <Merro> You go to bed too
[22:18:02] <melanieb> I'm going to stay up a bit and watch The Green Mile.
[22:18:03] <Merro> lol
[22:18:04] <OpheliaG> I am lauging so bad right now
[22:18:09] <Oreoboy1996> lol
[22:18:14] <Merro> dont die while you laugh XD
[22:18:17] <Merro> jk
[22:18:36] <melanieb> See? It was a good night
[22:19:06] <Merro> no more caffiene... Sorry if typo. :p
[22:19:57] <melanieb> And yet we are still here
[22:20:06] <melanieb> Any questions anyone?
[22:20:17] <Oreoboy1996> hmm
[22:20:27] <Merro> how long has this been?
[22:20:34] <Merro> Silent for awhile?
[22:20:58] <Oreoboy1996> it's been long enough that i can't even scroll up to the beginning of the chat
[22:21:04] <Merro> :p
[22:21:09] <melanieb> I came in late
[22:21:14] <Merro> i just came in
[22:21:15] <Merro> lol
[22:21:26] <Merro> hmm
[22:21:26] <Oreoboy1996> 2 hours 20 minutes i think
[22:21:31] <Hukif> Someone, come up with a question quickly!
[22:21:35] <Merro> I had an idea that would work for me but idk...
[22:21:47] <OpheliaG> and what's that
[22:21:50] <Merro> Writing down the weird dreams I can remember...
[22:21:56] <Merro> I seem to remember them the most
[22:22:03] <Merro> like the one I had this morning
[22:22:12] <Merro> I remembered it quite well
[22:22:23] <melanieb> I write down every dream, no matter how small...DV taught me that
[22:22:35] <Merro> I need to get the hang of recall
[22:22:37] <Oreoboy1996> i only write down lucids anymore
[22:22:52] <Oreoboy1996> it's hard for me to throw in the non lucids on top of it all
[22:23:07] <Merro> It was about me being stuck with a bunch of girls who really hated guys... I had to give my bed up for one of them. And had to sleep in the living room on the ground... -__-
[22:23:31] <Merro> It was like, Wtf O.o
[22:23:39] <Oreoboy1996> if they hate guys why were they in your house lol
[22:23:42] <Hukif> You enjoyed it, don't lie <.<
[22:23:44] <Merro> Seemed like a nightmare lol
[22:23:48] <melanieb> If I pay attention to every dream than I recall better and I'm more likely to pay more attention to LDs
[22:23:52] <Merro> I was being treated like shit lol
[22:23:55] <Merro> in the dream
[22:24:09] <Oreoboy1996> works differently for me i think
[22:24:09] <melanieb> Maybe you like forceful women?
[22:24:14] <Merro> Duno
[22:24:15] <Merro> lol
[22:24:26] <Merro> at least I recalled it, that counts huh? :p
[22:24:46] <melanieb> We should start an obediance thread
[22:24:51] <Merro> lol
[22:24:52] <melanieb> Yep
[22:24:58] <Oreoboy1996> Merro: at least you didn't have to worry about one of them sticking shards of glass in your ears while you sleep >.>
[22:25:08] <Merro> lol damn
[22:25:12] <Merro> now that does sound scary
[22:25:12] <Merro> XD
[22:25:18] <Merro> Wish I had my Katana with me....
[22:25:20] <Merro> jk
[22:25:31] <melanieb> My friend had sex with a girl, in real life, while lying on his sisters hair. She was too freaked out to tell him
[22:25:37] <Oreoboy1996> had a dream a while back where a girl was mad at me and a group of guys
[22:25:41] <OpheliaG> Sorry I've been sparse recently, had an impromptu admin meeting
[22:25:41] <Hukif> I won't even comment on bad dream-girl experiences...
[22:25:51] <OpheliaG> PM me if necessary
[22:26:00] <Oreoboy1996> and one of them is like "don't worry the worst she has ever done to someone is stick sharp glass in his ears"
[22:26:02] <melanieb> I probably will tomorrow,Ophelia
[22:26:14] <Merro> A girl threatened me in a dream once when I got lucid...
[22:26:25] <Hukif> O.o melanie that is, wow
[22:26:28] <Oreoboy1996> claire threatens me all the time
[22:26:31] <Merro> said not to stabilize it...
[22:27:06] <Merro> melanie, your friend is weird...
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[22:27:18] <OpheliaG> oh I meant PM me in here.. I'm on KVirc and I don't get pings
[22:27:29] <OpheliaG> but it's all code talk in there now so I'm back
[22:27:47] <Merro> site issues huh?
[22:27:48] <melanieb> It was at a party....drinking...the sister was lying on the floor with another girl, the sister passed out
[22:27:51] <Merro> Still bugs loose?
[22:27:58] <OpheliaG> troll issues
[22:28:00] <melanieb> When she woke...her friend was doing it with her brother
[22:28:00] <Merro> oh
[22:28:04] <OpheliaG> at any rate, moving on
[22:28:04] <Merro> them trolls...
[22:28:14] <Oreoboy1996> troll infestation lol
[22:28:20] <OpheliaG> you know it
[22:28:24] <Merro> Like they say
[22:28:25] <melanieb> Anyway, this has been neat
[22:28:27] <Oreoboy1996> at least forsaken had fun
[22:28:30] <Merro> DONT FEED THE TROLLS
[22:28:38] <OpheliaG> if only we'd listened
[22:29:07] <Merro> damn drinking parties are the worst... never know what your doing from what I heard.
[22:29:09] <melanieb> Well, Ophelia, I do have questions...but I don't know if I have them all formed yet
[22:29:18] <OpheliaG> that's cool
[22:29:28] <melanieb> I had one for Matte87 that I asked in a PM...waiting on that to be answered
[22:29:41] <Merro> Hes usually busy working
[22:29:49] <OpheliaG> I'm going to wrap this up now then.. and he usually responds in a day or two
[22:29:50] <Merro> so he doesnt get on much
[22:29:58] <Merro> yep
[22:30:00] <Oreoboy1996> alrighty
[22:30:05] <melanieb> Coolio
[22:30:07] <Merro> matte doesnt get on msn that much...
[22:30:15] <melanieb> I have patience
[22:30:23] <melanieb> The virtue of a parent
[22:30:24] <Merro> I do have a question though
[22:30:30] <OpheliaG> but definitely hit me up in a PM with any further questions.. I don't get many, so it's easy to reply
[22:30:51] <Merro> Possible to make any weapons appear from a current dream you had eh?
[22:31:07] <Oreoboy1996> huh?
[22:31:09] <Hukif> Hm?
[22:31:17] <Merro> Like the Katana I had from a vivid dream.
[22:31:20] <melanieb> Katanas? Or something more complex?
[22:31:24] <melanieb> Jinx
[22:31:28] <Merro> Katana's, Keyblades, etc.
[22:31:29] <Hukif> Oh, making a past-dream weapon appear again.
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[22:31:36] <Oreoboy1996> oh that
[22:31:44] <Oreoboy1996> i've done it with my crystal sword
[22:31:48] <Oreoboy1996> so why not your katana?
[22:31:54] <Merro> I was curious
[22:31:59] <Hukif> I like to do that using teleportation.
[22:32:08] <Merro> Hmmm
[22:32:13] <Merro> Spell circles during lucids
[22:32:15] <Merro> anime form
[22:32:21] <Hukif> Use the form of Erza then!
[22:32:24] <OpheliaG> ok you guys can discuss katanas, I gotta split.. 2 and a half hour class
[22:32:25] <Merro> lol
[22:32:29] <Hukif> Ex-equip from Fairy Tail.
[22:32:38] <OpheliaG> thanks so much for joining to all of you!
[22:32:40] <Merro> I need to finish watching that one
[22:32:42] <Merro> your welcome.
[22:32:44] <melanieb> I'm leaving also. Goodnight, all! Goodnight, Ophelia!~
[22:32:49] <Oreoboy1996> bye
[22:32:51] <Hukif> kk, cya!