Thread: We are Dream Buddies

Originally Posted by calielizabeth

Sounds cool.

How old were you when you moved to Australia?

9 years old.

My family were here in Australia just a few months when I saw on TV man walk on the moon.

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First Moon Landing 1969: https://youtu.be/RMINSD7MmT4

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First Moon Landing 1969

Uploaded on Feb 10, 2006

The video of the very first moon landing of the apollo 11 mission in 1969!

Neil Armstrong was the first man to set foot on the moon with his now legenday words

"One small step for man, a giant leap for mankind."

This is a truly amazing video and it was in 1969!!!

If you think about it, you have orders of magnitude more processing power in your mobile phone than they did in the whole space craft!! Incredible!

Cali

I'm such a failure at LD and obe but having you as a Buddy is encouraging me to give it another go. MY PROBLEM is 24/7 leg and foot pain due to Diabetic Neuropathy. It causes "bolts of lightning" as well as constant aching.*This makes relaxation impossible.

In 2008 Nick sent me this 17 minutes download (for free to critique). I also got a 37 minute download at the same time. In April 2009 Nick chopped the 54 minutes into 12 Youtubes and put them on Youtube. This is the full transcript of the 17 minute video I got from Nick back in 2008.


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In this section we are going to learn what is the easiest, most reliable and simplest way to enter into a subconscious focus without using any visualization. It's called "Sleep Paralysis". And we're going to learn what it is, how to enter it, and who to use it to have lots and lots of OBEs.

So what is sleep paralysis?

Sleep paralysis is a protection mechanism your body uses when you fall asleep. If you were to dream of doing something very active, like running and you weren't in sleep paralysis then you would move your limbs when you were asleep and wake yourself up.

To prevent that from happening your body disconnects your voluntary muscles system from your mind so you can dream all you like without waking yourself up. Normally you're not aware of that happening because by the time your body shuts itself down in sleep paralysis your mind has already fallen asleep and is unaware of what's happening.

In other words, you enter a state of "Body Awake, Mind Asleep", before entering, "Body Asleep, Mind Asleep".

(01:07) However, we're going to learn how to short circuit that process and keep your mind awake when your In sleep paralysis.

This is called, "Mind Awake, Body Asleep".

If you've read Robert Monroe's books he calls this state, "Focus Ten" or F10.

(01:25) So what does sleep paralysis have to do with lucid dreaming?

The whole trick to lucid dreaming is to enter a "subconscious focus" without losing awareness.

When you enter into sleep paralysis your body automatically sends your mind into a subconscious focus. You don't have to use any visualizations when you use this method because your body does it biologically.

Here is why this works

When you're awake you brain is in what's called a beta state. "Beta" means that your dominant electrical brain waves are oscillating at around 14 to 30 HZ per second.

When you enter sleep paralysis your brain automatically puts itself into dream mode, the theta state. Theta is slower than beta and is around 4 to 7 HZ. The upshot of all this is that you can use sleep paralysis to cause the brain to enter into a subconscious focus and you don't need to use any visualizations at all.

Simply knowing the tricks to entering waking paralysis is all you need, and that's what we're going to learn next.

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So what does sleep paralysis feel like?

You're Stuck!

The way you usually become aware of sleep paralysis is that you wake-up in it and you find that you can't move or make a sound. Sleep paralysis often feels like there's a heavy lead blanket on you.

{This can be scary but it’s very useful!}

It's not that there is really anything on you or that your muscled have become weaker. The feeling is because your brain has to send a stronger nerve signal than normal to get the same muscle movement. This makes it feel like you have to overcome some kind of resistance when you try to move.

This feeling also usually makes it feel like it's harder to breathe but it's actually a natural sleep process. Sleep paralysis happens every single you fall asleep. Here is why sleep paralysis is the "Holy Grail" for new OBEers.

Sleep paralysis is very unmistakable; once you enter it you cannot miss it. This is different from most things in lucid dreaming where everything is usually very subtle. In fact you've probably already had many OBEs and didn't realize it because you didn't know what to look for.

So

When your first starting out you should make sleep paralysis be your number one goal, not having a full blown OBE or lucid dream.

The reason is, is that when you have sleep paralysis you know for sure that you've made measurable progress.

Once you've achieved sleep paralysis you're not quite into a lucid dream or OBE, but you’re very close.

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Later on we will cover exit techniques that you can use to convert sleep paralysis into a lucid dream or OBE.

Here is the most effective trick to break sleep paralysis.

It is always a good idea to have a back-up plan and know how to break unwanted sleep paralysis. The only way your body knows for sure if your mind is awake is if you move. This is a problem when you are in 100% sleep paralysis which is preventing you from moving.

Luckily, paralysis is limited to your voluntary muscle system like your arms and legs. Your breathing, however, is semi-involuntary so you still have control over it even in deep paralysis.

If you enter sleep paralysis and decide you want to break it and wake up simply change your breathing pattern to something other than the sleep breathing pattern your body is already in. The most effective way I have found to do this is to begin breathing deeply and slowly. After about 10 or 15 seconds your body will notice the change in breathing and start to bring you out of paralysis.

Not many things in Lucid Dreaming are 100% reliable but this but this has always worked for me every single time.

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An alternate method recommended by Robert Bruce is to try to move a finger or a toe to break paralysis. I personally find that I usually can't get a signal to my toes when in full paralysis. So I just use the deep breathing method instead.

However his methods are used successfully by a large number of people so you may want to experiment with it and see if it works for you.

Whatever method you choose the main trick is to not panic. And send some sort of a signal to the body that the mind is awake.

Some people find that when they enter waking sleep paralysis they find that when they were asleep they weren't breathing. The problem here is not because of the sleep paralysis itself but because they have an existing condition called sleep apnea. Sleep apnea basically means that you stop breathing when you are asleep.

If they had never experimented with waking sleep paralysis they might not have ever known that they have sleep apnea. So this is one of the benefits of using sleep paralysis to have lucid dreams, you'll find out whether or not you have sleep apnea.

Note, that there is a big difference between the regular heavy sensation that you get with sleep paralysis verses not breathing at all. If you’re not breathing at all then you probably have sleep apnea and you should see your doctor about it.

If you only get the regular, heavy, lead blanket feeling that comes from sleep paralysis then everything is normal and there is no reason to panic.

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As we mentioned before, normally you enter a state of body-awake, mind asleep before entering body asleep mind asleep.

However, what would happen if we switched it around so your body falls asleep first?

In that case you would be aware of the process that your body goes through when it falls asleep!

THIS is our MAIN secret trick for doing “visualization free“ lucid dreams and OBEs. ]This transition is the most important skill to learn from this part of the course.

The reason is that,

When you can put your body to sleep without losing consciousness, at any point, you have 100%, perfectly clear, dream recall. This is called a wake induced lucid dream or WILD. It's as easy to remember what you did in a WILDas it is to remember what you did in your 15 minutes or so of normal waking awareness

With this method you don't have to think back through the hazy dream phase like you normally do with most dreams.

So, what does it feel like to watch your body fall asleep?

What does SP (sleep paralysis) feel like

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Instead of waking up in sleep paralysis with the heavy, lead blanket feeling, when you induce paralysis consciously; you have the sensation of having the heavy, lead blanket being laid on your chest. It often feels like it begins at your feet, comes up over your chest, then ends at your head.

When that process is complete you're in sleep paralysis.

So how do you get this process to happen consistently?

The underlying principle we need to understand is called, Mind Body Independence. Mind body independence means the mind and the body work without really knowing what the other is doing. There are all kinds of stuff the body is doing that the mind is never really aware of.

For instance

You probably don't feel every single thing that your digestive system does to each and every molecule of food that passes in and out of you. More than likely, you have awareness on either end but the middle part is fairly mysterious. In the same way, the body is not able to read the minds thoughts.

So, the body never knows, for sure, if the mind has fallen asleep.


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To get around this the body has to continually poll the mind to see what's going on.

The only way it can do that is though a language that the body and the mind use to talk to each other.

We can learn this language by carefully watching what the body does when falling asleep.

And

how it responds to certain commands we give it.

The first word in this language is The Rollover Signal. When the body thinks the mind is asleep it usually sends a test signal that feels like an Urge to Rollover.

If

you ignore this Urge, the body decides that the mind is asleep, and goes ahead and enters sleep paralysis.

If, on the other hand, you succumb to the rollover signal and move, then the body knows that the mind is not asleep and does not enter sleep paralysis.

(8:30 to 8:55) in my 17 minute download is a pictorial description of the rollover signal.

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There are four main Rollover signals.

The first type is to fall asleep without the Rollover signal.

This happens when you relax quickly and deeply and the body decides to just go ahead and paralyze without sending much of a rollover signal.

Other times it's the opposite.

The second type is a painful-signal-swell.

In this case, if you're tense, but stay still long enough, and if your body is tired enough, what will happen is the rollover signal builds and builds until it becomes very painful and extremely hard to ignore. However if you are too tense, the body won't paralyze no matter how long you've been still. This is called a Signal Swell.

The third type is called an Urge-Serge.

An Urge-Serge can be very usefull.

In an Urge-Serge the body sends out a strong signal out of nowhere. If you're able to resist the signal for 3 or 4 seconds, the body ends the surge and paralyses all at once.

If your not relaxed enough this will probably result in only partial sleep paralysis. Partial sleep paralysis can be used to induce lucid dreams but it is not ideal. We'll cover ways to transform partial sleep paralysis into a successful exit later on.

Quick Switch, (Holy Grail)

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Finally there is one last main type of Rollover signal that you should know about called a Quick Switch.

If sleep paralysis is the Holy Grail of new OBEers then the Quick Switch signal is the Holy Grail of Urge Surges.

It happens quickly and rewards you with nice deep sleep paralysis almost instantly.

The Quick Switch, urge serge usually happens in one of two cases.

Number one

When the body is very tired and wants to go to sleep as soon as it can.

Number two

When the body was very recently asleep and is currently very deeply relaxed.

We are going to use both of those cases later on to construct a very powerful lucid dream induction.

Eradicating the single biggest cause of INSOMNIA (!!!)

We are going to (...) construct a very powerful dream induction.

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Before we can do that, there is an important piece of the puzzle that we need to cover, "How to get the body to ask to fall asleep?"

The Rollover signal comes on fast or slow depending on what position you are laying in. The body position that brings it on faster than any other position is simply to lay flat on your back with your arms at your sides.

Using this simple bit of information we can eradicate the single biggest cause of insomnia, the "Toss and Turn" syndrome.

When you toss and turn in bed what you are doing is, "resetting" the body's internal timer, each time you roll over.

The body is trying to go to sleep by sending you a roll over test signal, but you keep telling it, "not to sleep", when you move.

So you end up stuck in a toss and turn loop and never get to sleep.

This results in insomnia

So how do we fix this?

The key is in understanding the 2 causes of the toss-and-turn syndrome:

Number 1

The roll-over urge itself

umber 2

Collecting and then releasing tension.

We just talked about the first reason which is the roll-over test-signal itself. The other reason for rolling over is that tossing-and-turning is the way for the body to gradually dissipate tension in your muscles.

When you lay in a certain position for a while tension collects in some points of your muscles but not in others. Then when you roll over the tension is released but reforms in other areas.

Notice in the chart that each time you roll over you add tension back, but over time, the total amount of tension decreases.

You might start out with tension in the front of your shoulders. You roll over and it releases there but then reforms in your upper-back. You roll over again and it releases from your upper-back and forms in your chest.

Each time you roll over the tension shifts and reduces a tiny bit and eventually the toss-and-turn-syndrome will cause you to relax enough that you'll fall asleep.

But

There is a much easier way to go about it

The easier way to go about it is called:

Stop

Drop and

Roll.

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What we do is add body positions before and after the hands at your sides position. The first position is to lay with your hands above your head. The final position is where you roll over and fall asleep in that position.

We choose these positions very carefully so that when you move from one step to the next you release the maximum amount of tension possible. This way, instead of haphazardly releasing small amounts of tension by tossing-and-turning over and over, you release it in exactly two calculated big chunks and get it over with all at once.

Here is what’s happening in each step:

Number One

The stop and relax step

In this step you have your arms above your head and relax as deeply as you can. The idea is to tell your body is it’s time to stop with your waking day-to-day activities and start thinking about falling asleep. This position will eventually result in some-what of a roll-over signal although it’s not although it’s not as powerful as the hands-at-your-sides position.

Once you feel you’ve relaxed as far as you can drop your arms down to your sides which moves you to step two.

When you bring your arms down you’ll release all the shoulder tension you had that you couldn’t get rid of just by laying there. This is the purpose of the first body position, to get rid of shoulder tension all at once.

Number two

The Drop or "ask" step

This is the stage where the body will seriously start to consider that maybe the mind is asking it to go to sleep.

When you lay with your arms at your side you will probably be temped to place your hands on your stomach or cross your ankles. This is a veiled roll-over-signal.

If you get that sensation it means that you are on the right track, just make sure not to give in, instead, keep your arms at your side and your ankles uncrossed.

Continue to relax and the roll-over signal will develop on its own. The stronger the urge the more the body is asking for permission to fall asleep.

If you get to a point where you feel it has plateaued simply roll-over which puts you in step three.

Step Three

Or “Yes” step.

In this step you tell the body, “yes, it’s time to fall asleep”.

Simply roll-over and then don’t move until you’re asleep.

You should chose ahead of time exactly what position you’re going to lay in once you get to this step because your goal is not to move again the rest of the night.

By the time you get to this step your body should be quite deeply relaxed and the body will be actively looking for a long period of stillness that it can interpret as a signal that the mind has fallen asleep.

Give it that long period of stillness and don’t move.

Consistency is key.

The more you do Stop Drop and Roll the same way each time you fall asleep the more you’ll train the body to associate it with sleep. In fact after a while you will find that your body has associated the very first “Stop” position with sleep and you won’t need the other steps.

★Sometimes you’ll have to roll-over additional times★ in order to fully dissipate you body tension so you can fall asleep.

If you find you do have to roll-over additional times then when you get up in the morning think back and remember what in was that caused you to move. Then the next night try to relax those areas more deeply so you don’t move again.

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Warning!

Watch out for disguised roll-over signals.

When you move to the “Roll Step” and start to fall asleep that’s when it’s the hardest to actually stay still because you start to lose awareness and you’re not as vigilant about keeping still.

The roll-over signal when your on you ☆back is tends to centre in your ☆chest.

However the roll-over signal when you’re on your ☆side tends to make you want to move your ☆legs.

Don’t fall for that.

Don’t bend them or straighten them or anything. Keep your legs perfectly still. The urge to cross or un-cross your legs is actually a disguised form of a roll-over signal and you must resist it at all costs.

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My super secret, thermo nuclear option to make your body beg to fall asleep.

We have one last very powerful trick in reserve that you can use when you really have a hard time falling asleep. The key is to build-up a super-strong roll-over signal before even getting into bed. Rather than laying asleep in your bed, lay down on the floor next to your bed, on your back and relax.

This is unpleasant. And after forcing yourself to lay there, perfectly still for 10 or 15 minutes, when you finally allow yourself back into bed your body will be so grateful that it will grab the chance to fall asleep as quickly as it can.

In extreme cases of insomnia you can even lay on an uncarpeted floor, such as in your kitchen, which will build the roll-signal very quickly. (16:44)



Cali

What do you think about the above. Would you like to give it a go and tell me what happens?

...I want a dream buddy. How can I get in on this?

Originally Posted by lunagoddess

...I want a dream buddy. How can I get in on this?

Lunalioness oops sorry Lunagoddess

Spellbee2 is the one to ask about the Dream Buddies Program. Here's the link to Spellbee2's profile:

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http://www.dreamviews.com/members/spellbee2/
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This is my Favorite Spellbee2 thread:

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http://www.dreamviews.com/senseless-...verything.html
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I LOVE (I mean Mlem ) those pictures

I dont want sleep paralysis to happen to me, it has in the past. Its like a demon sitting on my chest, it feels terrible

I had a lucid dream last night, I was at a big room where soldiers were there in an auditorium, and I was a thin male soldier, and everyone was saluting and saying USA< but I said New Zealand and left the room, and felt a shock to my body and saw other people being shocked and some of them were flying, they were being shocked because they weren't obeying and being a soldier in the room saluting to the people in charge. I realized, this is a dream, and I started to fly, and the shock stopped the pain went away and I flew out of a red emergency exit door and then I woke up. Later, I had a dream where I was finding green jade treasures, one was a green turtle or something like that, and a dream catcher that was green and blue that had feathers (green and blue feathers), I claimed that one and there was another one that was for my sister Jenny. The treasures kept dissapearing and I was frustrated that I couldn't find them. My sister and I decided to start a cab company, and I started to wish I had a black sports bra that I once had. There was more to the dream but I forget it. I was at a women's retreat for my church over the weekend and my roommate Penny said I was screaming get away from me while I was sleeping, but I have no recollection of any nightmares or dreams where I would have been screaming that. What have your dreams been like? What's your interpretation of my dreams, what they might mean?

Originally Posted by calielizabeth

I dont want sleep paralysis to happen to me, it has in the past. Its like a demon sitting on my chest, it feels terrible

Yea, I've never had a spontaneous SP. And I try and try but can't stop twitching to relax enough to get an SP.

My mum told me how she used to work across the road at Coles when she was 17. She would come home for her hour lunch. She'd have a nap and wake but couldn't move a muscle. She'd lay on the couch in the living room "shouting" in her mind for her mum to notice the time and shake her cos she would be late getting back to work.

Her mum would, sooner or later, come over and touch her. Then my mum would tell her mum off for taking so long (hahaha). I can understand how "spontaneous" SP could be pannicking or (as in my 17 year old mum's case), "bloody anoying".

But

My mum, at 39, read about Astral Travelling from Lobsang Rampa's cheap paper-backs at the newsagents. She practiced and practiced and began re-getting SP and began separating from her body and floating around the real waking world.

Lobsang wrote that deep relaxation is the key. Also, he wrote that the most important bit is not conscious "separation" from the physical body but conscious re-entry .

I had a lucid dream last night, I was at a big room where soldiers were there in an auditorium, and I was a thin male soldier, and everyone was saluting and saying USA< but I said New Zealand and left the room, and felt a shock to my body and saw other people being shocked and some of them were flying, they were being shocked because they weren't obeying and being a soldier in the room saluting to the people in charge.

I realized, this is a dream, and I started to fly, and the shock stopped the pain went away and I flew out of a red emergency exit door and then I woke up.

Later, I had a dream where I was finding green jade treasures, one was a green turtle or something like that, and a dream catcher that was green and blue that had feathers (green and blue feathers), I claimed that one and there was another one that was for my sister Jenny.

The treasures kept dissapearing and I was frustrated that I couldn't find them.

My sister and I decided to start a cab company, and I started to wish I had a black sports bra that I once had. There was more to the dream but I forget it.

I was at a women's retreat for my church over the weekend and my roommate Penny said I was screaming get away from me while I was sleeping, but I have no recollection of any nightmares or dreams where I would have been screaming that.

What have your dreams been like?

What's your interpretation of my dreams, what they might mean?

Yesterday, a person answered a dreamer who posted about an elephant having a huge pooo the size of half the elephant (hahaha). Here is the link:

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I went to the profile of (Athanor) the one who interpreted the Elephant Dream and began reading other interpretations given by Athanor.

This one relly spoke to me:

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http://www.dreamviews.com/dream-inte...ml#post2152026
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Cali

I've been getting sweet dreams but without something to focus on they are not that satisfying. I only like going to sleep excited, as I ask Our-Dreaming-Mind "What's in the box" or "show me something nice about this location" or something.
I wake nice and excited about whatever I remember,

hipnagogic image (going to sleep image) or

hipnapopic image (waking image) and any remembered

dream snippets and

any tune running through my mind during the dream or after I wake-up.

Nothing else interests me as much as this.

Hey Cali you wrote:

What's your interpretation of my dreams, what they might mean?

I only look for my own waking-life synchronicities. They interest me much more than interpretation

But

I just read Athanor's 3rd post. I think Athanor would be the one to interpret your dream (even if you had to pay for it) because I think Athanor is good. Here is a 3rd dream interpreted by Athanor:

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Amdor wrote this dream

Originally Posted by amdor

In this dream, I was at my village. I saw a lion cub in our yard, which at first was unfriendly. But after I tried to calm it, it started flicking its tail and I petted it.

Then it started playing with my hand, and managed to scratch me. But I wasn't scared of it, neither I was worried of the scratch, I felt like playing with a domestic cat.

Suddenly

I looked to the side and saw a tiger laying in the yard.

I ran away the moment I saw it.

My next thought was to go to my village's facebook page and warn them of the tiger. And after I went to show my parents my scratch, I woke up.

I read a bunch of interpretations about the lion cub, which might be pretty accurate. But the laying tiger is confusing me. Any thoughts will be appreciated.

Here is Athanor's interpretation:

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Originally Posted by Athanor

Although in order to provide an accurate interpretation it would usually be best to have some additional general background information about you as well as a description of recent events just before the dream, it’s safe to say that when wild animals appear in a dream, it relates to energies that are still not totally mastered by the will.

Also, as the renowned psychiatrist C. G. Jung said about interpreting a dream image in general:

“The same applies to the lion. The correct interpretation depends on the context, i.e., the associations connected with the image, and on the actual condition of the dreamer’s mind.”

So the things you’ve read on the internet about what a lion means might not fit your actual situation very well.

Of course, the fact that it’s a lion cub and not a full-grown lion affects the interpretation.

For example, another post says that you’re a college student, so from the dream’s point of view, your experience regarding certain instincts that are symbolized by a lion might understandably be at an “early” and “growing” stage.

So maybe it would be useful to look at what a “lion” interacting with a person or “hero” has symbolized over the centuries in mythology etc.

That’s because the same ideas that appear in myths, folk tales, art and drama etc. etc. very often come up in dreams and therefore can help in understanding what a given image means in a dream.

There are of course endless myths about lions and heroes but to take the example of Hercules, he slays the supposedly invulnerable Nemean lion by choking it.

Psychologically speaking, this can represent a “heroic struggle” against a very overwhelming power drive.

Hercules skins the dead lion and wears its pelt, symbolizing that the energy behind a once uncontrollable power drive has now been “tamed” and can be used for moving ahead in a well-rounded, “civilized” and conscious way.

So in general, any compulsive attitudes and behavior of a person (not just the power drive) can usually be viewed as untamed, powerful lion-like instinctive energy which can surface, for example, in excessive pride, compulsive sex, arrogance and an overwhelming need to dominate others etc.

In this kind of situation, a person should probably also look at where, for instance, excessive “doing” gets in the way of reflecting on things, relations with others and in just “being” as opposed to always trying to prove one’s “worth” for example.

So although as Dr. Jung says, it would be better to have your own associations to the image of the lion cub (that is, all spontaneous memories, thoughts and feelings etc. that come to your mind), it’s possible that recently, you experienced a small taste of some kind of instinct which could potentially develop into an overwhelming problem (e.g. the cub scratched you, that is, the scratch could become “infected” and dangerous).

This is also shown by the fact that suddenly, after playing with the domestic-cat-like lion cub, you see a full grown tiger in the yard as well.

A tiger usually symbolizes dangerous, destructive and deeply negative emotions such as overwhelming rage and violence for example, so you’re right to run away from it.

But every symbol has two sides, so in myth and folk tales, there are stories where a child can walk safely among tigers, lions and snakes etc.

This means that in the end, the best way to eventually tame the very strong emotions which the tiger represents is not to run away, but to try and be childlike, spontaneous, creative and playful with them, just like a child is often not afraid of a very large dog etc.

Approaching these emotions in a sort of “innocent” and accepting way can make them less “angry” and “aggressive” in everyday life.

This way of dealing with them is the opposite of trying to totally control and have power over them which can often lead to various unpleasant physical and psychological symptoms.

As opposed to this, learning to tame them can give the person the ability to stand up for his or her interests strongly and assertively by being in touch with a vital instinctive side of themselves.

However, your dream is probably only at the stage of warning you early on about the dangers of taking for granted the signs that certain strong instincts have been stirred up for some reason.

For example, it might be hinting that you have to get in touch soon with a responsible and wiser side of yourself in order to prevent problems (e.g. you want to warn others and in addition, you show your parents the scratch would could become infected without proper treatment).

Anyway as mentioned, without knowing anything much about you, this interpretation might not fit your personal circumstances very well but I hope these ideas can be helpful in some way.

Please feel free to make any comments or to ask any questions that you may want to about this particular way of looking at your dream.

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From here:

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http://www.dreamviews.com/general-dr...ml#post2149401

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