Thread: REMee reconsidered

Before you get any much older, there will (hopefully!) be far superior products on the market that actually detect that you're dreaming before sending the signals. REMee I think is really only useful for a very small target audience (that I'm not sure I'm in yet!) of "advanced beginner" lucid dreamers who are either: 1) able to map out their dreaming periods reliably, or 2) can get back to sleep reliably within a certain amount of time.

I believe I had another dream occurrence of light from remee last night. It was pretty subtle, not like the blinding flash that woke me in a panic -- perhaps it had slipped a bit out of position, I should probably tighten up the band a bit.

I was riding in a helicopter, and discussing noticing the lighting signals on the roof of the helicopter, a couple small red LEDs, discussing with someone else how it could be hard to see them . I suspect this was the signal, because I woke from the dream after it continued for a while, and it was around the right timing (a little after 4.5 hours, the initial delay). The effect was so small that it's hard to definitively say if it was REMEE or not.

Settings were full brightness, 5 (10?) minute interval. It's amazing that I don't see it more with those settings. I set it to nap mode and I think it went off while still awake so I turned it off after that.

I wil continue with the "nuclear" settings (full brightness, 5-10 minute interval, starting around 4 hours) every few nights. Even though I don't see the lights every time I think they contribute to poor sleep when the interval is frequent.

I'm using the REMee as my regular sleep mask now even when not turned on, since it blocks light better than my normal sleep mask.

Originally Posted by diesel35

I wish I have a lot of money to buy REMee I'm only 16 age years old . I will buy it as soon as I can probably when I grow up . Use it in good days

You can make a version of Remee for under $30 if you look around online. Could be a cool project for you.

Several more uses of remee and not noticing it in dreams that I can remember. My sleep schedule is all over the map, however, and I think remee is mostly useful for when your dreaming time is very predictable, or in nap mode, but my back-to-sleep times are also unpredictable.

I saw remee in my dreams once more (but it woke me up). I had a great night of dreaming that started out with a 4.5-hour waking up from dreaming with great memory, I think it was perhaps the remee but I didn't notice any lights, the timing was just right so it probably was. As a gentle alarm remee is a great tool, I think.

I continue to use remee most nights, sometimes on, sometimes off as a plain sleep mask. I haven't seen the lights in a dream recently. From-bedtime is just a shot in the dark, a light alarm at best. WBTB use is probably the way to go.

Trying again with a new bunch of settings. This time focused on very short signal (only 1 signal pattern enabled, and for the shortest time (only 1 rep)), still highest intensity.

The two times I did see the signal in a dream it woke me up both times, I think because the signal was too long, once it got my attention, it was all over, I was awake already. With the shortest possible signal, I hope it will jog my attention, yet not be ignored entirely.

I've upped the time between signals to 10 minutes from 5 minutes, and set the nap delay to 30 minutes. Alt blink x 1, because it hits both eyes at the same time and is a pretty "noisy" pattern.

Hmm thinking I may want to try super frequent (like < 5 minutes?) with these settings. The signal is short enough that it may not bother me too much if I manage to get lucid…well, we'll see how this goes for a while.

Hi, what was the summary of your Remee experiment? success or failure?

I thought I told you, it broke, so no conclusions.

Hey guys, Honestly the coolest thing for me about Remee is how comfortable it is. I've tried others but none is quite as comfortable. I thnk for the price it actually does a pretty good job as it does help me realize I'm dreaming a few times a week. At first I was afraid the lights would wake me up, but then realized that they actually help me sleep better.. crazy, but I wake up feeling very well rested.

BTW, I actually found it extremely cheap in case someone wants to give it a try, I ordered one myself for a gift. This mask sells originally for $89-99... ! It's here in case anyone wants it: *Link Removed*

I've also been looking into Kokoon, which is a headset, but it just looks tooo uncomfortable. I stick with Remee.

This feels like a commercial post. This user posted a similar message on reddit /r/LucidDreaming. I have not seen anybody write anything remotely positive about remee, so this is highly suspect.

I know no one has posted anything on this thread for months. But I wanted to comment on a few things, based on my recent experiences with a Remee mask. So, here goes....

Originally Posted by FryingMan

My remee has arrived! My first thoughts/observations after using it 3 times:

• adjusting brightness levels needs to be done at sleeping light conditions with dark-adjusted eyes.

True. And it may take a fair amount of trial and error to get it right.

Originally Posted by FryingMan

• it's more uncomfortable than my regular sleeping mask: the nose opening is too small. Loosened the band a lot to make it more comfortable and found it had moved out of position last night (although other nights it has not moved).

I agree that it's not very comfortable and that it moves too far out of position while you're asleep. What I ended up doing is completely removing the circuit board from the foam insert and from the cloth cover. I then use surgical tape to tape the circuit board sideways to my forehead, in such a way that one of the LED strips on the mask is positioned over one of my eyes. In other words, I don't use the mask's foam insert or cloth cover at all. Works great that way. It's just as comfortable as sleeping without a mask.

Originally Posted by FryingMan

• not enough settings for different timings: only 2 different programs: 1) (default) bedtime, and 2) nap. The intervals for the settings are different.

I also would like to see more settings, though I don't think it's a fatal flaw.

Originally Posted by FryingMan

• intervals are limited. You can't for example, program it to start after 3 hours and signal every 90 minutes thereafter, (the length of a sleep cycle) which seems to be a big negative. For a timer-only device, the limitations on the timers are sort of disappointing. You need to aim for just one big REM cycle basically.

Yes, would be better to have more options for the intervals.

Originally Posted by FryingMan

And the disadvantage of the online-only programming is you can't wake up at 4am, decide to put on REMee, and say "OK, 6am is my big REM, so start running 2 hours from now" while you're lying in bed, you have to get up and do a full programming cycle. If you kept your laptop by the bed that might be OK I think I that would still wake you up a lot.

So it seems the 2 major uses can be: 1) aim for my main big dreaming REM [default settings], you have one shot to hit this and 2) DEILD mode [nap setting]

Good point. But I think the trade-off is that they wanted it to be as compact, lightweight, and cheap as possible. If they made it programmable without using the online programming method, it might have been bulkier, heavier, and more expensive. Also, not sure too many people would be into programming it in the middle of the sleep cycle, anyway.

Originally Posted by FryingMan

I continue to use remee most nights, sometimes on, sometimes off as a plain sleep mask. I haven't seen the lights in a dream recently. From-bedtime is just a shot in the dark, a light alarm at best. WBTB use is probably the way to go.

I agree that using it at WBTB is the way to go. First sleep for 4 or 5 hours, then put on your Remee in Nap mode, after having set its delay to whatever you think you need to get back to sleep.

Originally Posted by FryingMan

Trying again with a new bunch of settings. This time focused on very short signal (only 1 signal pattern enabled, and for the shortest time (only 1 rep)), still highest intensity.

Haven't used mine many times yet, but what seems to be working for me is a low intensity with a signal of medium length. Specifically, something like 5% intensity and Fast Glow Alt x 3 for the signal. But I'm using the mask in such a way that I only see the signal in one eye. Also, I always remove the circuit board from the foam insert and cloth cover, and just tape it sideways to my forehead using surgical tape, so one of the two LED strips is positioned sideways over one of my eyes. Because I'm not using the foam insert or the cloth cover, I have to use a somewhat lower intensity to compensate for the lack of attenuation that would normally be produced by those two things. So it could be that 5% intensity without the foam and cloth is the equivalent to 10-20% with the foam and cloth in place.

Originally Posted by FryingMan

The two times I did see the signal in a dream it woke me up both times, I think because the signal was too long, once it got my attention, it was all over, I was awake already. With the shortest possible signal, I hope it will jog my attention, yet not be ignored entirely.

It's possible you thought it woke you up, but it was actually false awakenings (FAs). It's very common for dream masks to produce FAs, from what I've read about them. So when using a dream mask it's crucial to always do an RC when you think you've just woken up. You probably know that. I'm mentioning it mainly for others who might be reading this.

Originally Posted by FryingMan

I've upped the time between signals to 10 minutes from 5 minutes, and set the nap delay to 30 minutes.

Seems like that might be way too short. Then again, I haven't actually tried it.

Originally Posted by FryingMan

Alt blink x 1, because it hits both eyes at the same time and is a pretty "noisy" pattern.

Hmm thinking I may want to try super frequent (like < 5 minutes?) with these settings. The signal is short enough that it may not bother me too much if I manage to get lucid…well, we'll see how this goes for a while.

Seems like your brain might just tune it out if it's too frequent. But, also haven't tried that. One problem is, there are so many variables to play with, so it could take a really long time to hit on something that works.

Another issue is how often to use a dream mask. I suspect that if you use it too often, your brain will get used to it and it'll stop working. So I'm thinking maybe I shouldn't use it more than once a week. But maybe twice a week would be OK.

Originally Posted by FryingMan

I thought I told you, it broke, so no conclusions.

Too bad!! How did it break?

Originally Posted by FryingMan

I saw remee in my dreams once more (but it woke me up). I had a great night of dreaming that started out with a 4.5-hour waking up from dreaming with great memory, I think it was perhaps the remee but I didn't notice any lights, the timing was just right so it probably was. As a gentle alarm remee is a great tool, I think.

Great point that it could improve dream recall, even if it doesn't get you lucid!

Originally Posted by Ctharlhie

I've heard of Remee users having more success when using the nap function alongside WBTB. That being said, to me that is a compromise on the poor functioning of the product.

I don't personally see that as a disadvantage. Most dreaming activity occurs late in the sleep cycle, so that's the most obvious period to concentrate on if you're trying to get lucid. So it makes the most sense to me to not even put on a dream mask until you've already slept for 4 or 5 hours. The same thing goes for pretty much any LD-induction methods, such as taking LD supps.

Originally Posted by Ctharlhie

Any self-proclaimed 'lucid dreaming mask' without actigraphy or EEG isn't worth its weight in dog turd. Luckily the charlatanism of the Remee team hasn't harmed interest in legitimate products, Aurora and NeuroOn were both recently funded on kickstarter.

I'm not sure how worthwhile it is for a mask to try to detect dreaming, especially if you're using it late in the sleep cycle where a lot of dreaming is happening anyway. It's also true that a lot of dreaming occurs without REM, so if the mask is only detecting REM, it may be missing some non-REM dreams.

Originally Posted by Ctharlhie

As for the remarkable increase in frequency for the Remee user cited in the OP, I believe a more significant increase would be made by focusing self-awareness and memory. I really think that it would be more work to fight against the inherent limitations of Remee to get it to work than to work with the fundamentals.

I think one thing any dream mask does is help you focus on the fact that you're trying to get lucid. Just setting it up and wearing it focuses your awareness. So it's a good way to work on fundamentals.

Originally Posted by Nfri

My remee me falls down....

Having it fall down is a serious problem, because if it doesn't stay positioned properly, you're not going to see the flashing lights. That's part of the reason I use the Remee circuit board by itself (i.e., without the foam insert or cloth cover). I just use surgical tape to tape it sideways to my forehead with one of the LED strips positioned over one of my eyes. That keeps properly positioned. It also makes it much more comfortable, which is the other reason I ended up doing that.

Originally Posted by Nfri

...and prevents sleep after wbtb... No lights spotted so far...

How does it prevent sleep after WBTB? I'm guessing it's because it's not very comfortable.