I'm pretty sure Ben Rubin (the ZEO guy) is connected with iWinks, hence the connection. Hardly an original idea though. |
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The design looks like a zeo ripoff, pure and simple. But that's not what really makes me think somethings up. |
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I'm pretty sure Ben Rubin (the ZEO guy) is connected with iWinks, hence the connection. Hardly an original idea though. |
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Last edited by Highlander; 07-29-2017 at 04:38 PM.
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I originally went to the kickstarter page back in the day, to back them, but then saw the video, and realized instantly it was not a working prototype, it looked way too thin in the original "working unit" So I backed out knowing even if they would ever produce something it would be a wreck. I also noticed their were no electrodes outside of the forehead. I had a discussion years ago, with a user who was affiliated with them, who said their software makes a clean rem signal. An app can only do so much, cleaning noise from a weak rem signal with noise, still ends as a weak rem signal. Plus at the time he said the software makes it clean, they had no working prototype. After that conversation, I have felt the desire to make sure people know just how little these guy's know about the device they claim they already have working. |
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Yes you are right about the electrodes, plus I think if the Zeo is anything to go by then the electrodes need to be replaced periodically. |
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Last edited by Highlander; 08-03-2017 at 06:07 PM.
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So they left plenty of sensitive data on the "mass production" image, almost asking someone to find out what cheap ass chines knockoff batteries they used. I could not resist. So I searched the number's under the barcode and on top. I found the company name. They are from china, not surprising. What is surprising is the company it's self. |
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Last edited by pointofbeing; 08-05-2017 at 10:50 AM.
Max profit v reliability issues. The bathtub quality curve in practice. Not the first company to be doing it though, in fairness. |
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Last edited by Highlander; 08-07-2017 at 03:06 PM.
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CALM DOWN EVERYONE!!!! :-) |
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Last edited by ezzolucid; 08-07-2017 at 06:39 PM.
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A 4 year delay, lies, lack of real communication... I could go on. People begin to fear the worst. After all crowdfunding and sleep campaigns do have their fair share of bullsh*t as you probably already know. |
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Last edited by Highlander; 08-08-2017 at 09:06 AM. Reason: "The proof is always in the pudding"
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ezzolucid, I respect you, see that you have been a good member of dreamviews with good post's and discussion's. However I have doubts about your claims of how you came across a unit. This is in no way meant to be antagonizing, just me knowing how this kind of process works. |
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Last edited by pointofbeing; 08-08-2017 at 10:16 AM.
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Thanks for the clarification. |
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Last edited by spellbee2; 08-08-2017 at 02:11 PM. Reason: Merged double post
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I couldnt upload photos here for some reason so I posted them at the link below. I hope this helps :-) |
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Last edited by ezzolucid; 08-08-2017 at 12:57 PM.
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Thanks for posting. It looks like you have had to desolder the two battery wires in order to get a good look inside the unit. It's a pity that the headband is missing though. Maybe if you have more of a rummage in that loft of yours then you might come across it perhaps. |
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Hi Highlander, when i took the top part off, there were 2 thin wires that attached to the circuit board of which I had to disconnect. The micro USB port inside had come away and was rattling around. I tried to superglue it back on but just got myself into a real pickle, I also messed up reconnecting the 2 wires so I kinda gave up. |
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The battery wires should solder on fine. You will not need a schematic. It will either be marked on the pcb, but in failing that there are plenty of photos of their pcb on Kickstarter too. |
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Last edited by Highlander; 08-08-2017 at 07:46 PM.
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Sorry I doubted you had one, like I said it was only doubts based on how this kickstarter had been. As someone good at deild, you should continue pushing them to have features like the one you suggested above. The original concept, only had flashing alerts you during a dream, which is much harder. You should suggest to them using a cellphones vibration as a deild alarm as well. |
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Yeah apologies for my initial scepticism too Ezzolucid and if I came across as being a bit sarcastic in my early posts. It was nothing personal, although I'm still not sold on the people behind iWinks. I personally find them a bit arrogant and complacent for my liking, plus they could have handled the PR much, much better. Although hindsight is a wonderful thing I guess. |
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Hi all |
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Well I'm not really mollified by this -- the one guy we all know who had one, and it broke (and some months back, as I recall, and still hasn't received the replacement). It may have the best REM detection algorithm on the planet, but if the batteries can't cycle more than 500 times or the USB adapter breaks off, it's a brick. |
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FryingMan's Unified Theory of Lucid Dreaming: Pay Attention, Reflect, Recall -- Both Day and Night[link]
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Hi, I have my NEW unit! |
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It has to work, period. Otherwise the initial relief of finally getting their unit (after 4+ years) would quickly turn to anger if it turns out to be broken or underperforms. |
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Last edited by Highlander; 09-15-2017 at 04:17 PM.
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HI all, ill try to explain best I can :-) |
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I totally agree, however a lot of these companies (including iWinks) are guilty of making it sound like a quick fix to VR-level lucidity. (Yes I'm looking at you too Luciding). |
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Last edited by Highlander; 09-15-2017 at 09:45 PM. Reason: grammar
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Hi, the data is fully captured. It will show for example that at 5am I went into REM. The lights flashed and then flashed again each 3 minutes until that rem period was over. The data graph pinpoints the exact time / moment that the lights flashed. From recollection in the morning however I realize that the lights only woke me once out of all the times they flashed. |
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I totally agree about the niche status where companies would need to try to appeal to the overall market via the sleep/health/fitness route rather than direct lucid dreaming. It just turns my stomach over when I see all that 'VR' instant lucidity bullsh*t. |
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Last edited by Highlander; 09-16-2017 at 10:18 AM. Reason: grammar
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