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      Triple Dream/Lucid

      Hello,

      I am new to these forums. 'll keep this brief as on occasion I find that listening to the details of other peoples dreams can be tedious.

      I have had lucid dreams on and off for twenty years now, they spike and tend to cluster. I've also had dreams on a metaphysical level that I still have yet to work through and come to terms with. There is more but I promised to keep this brief. One last thing I feel is important to mention about me.. I hate the word psychic, intuitive is a better description of me (energy-frequency-resonence). the intent of this paragraph is to lay a foundation.

      Now.... I've had a dream within a dream on numerous occasions, some lucid some not.

      Last night was my 1st experience with a "triple" dream. 3 layered dreams with the 3rd (bottom dream) a nightmare and lucid... I was aware and controlling that bottom dream as best I could from the second or middle dream.

      I would like to share more but I don't have time. I wanted to get this post up while the emotions are still raw and before I change my mind.

      Anyone else have this happen? Please don't one up me with a quadruple dream, this is a lot to absorb.. : ) Best.

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      I remember seeing someone post that it is impossible to have layered dreams like that. It may appear, but you cant "fall asleep while you're dreaming". Though I do wish that was true though cause that would be badass. ;]

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      I have dreams within dreams all the time. Often when I am trying to DEILD, I will have false awakenings and just try to fall back asleep immediately. I then feel a transition into a new dream (vibrations, ect.), and after awhile I can "awaken" back into the original FA with the same DCs and environment.

      Three dreams seems pretty cool. I would like to hear the longer story. What do you mean you were aware and controlling the bottom dream from the others? Could you control your body in multiple dreams?

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      I've had some non-lucids where I've been half-awake and experiencing a 'dream' in my vision, controlling it while maintaining awareness of what was around me. I think it's similar to what you've described, but it didn't feel like another dream entirely, just a situation where it seems like a separate, deeper dream.

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      Quote Originally Posted by cytotoxicT View Post
      I have dreams within dreams all the time. Often when I am trying to DEILD, I will have false awakenings and just try to fall back asleep immediately. I then feel a transition into a new dream (vibrations, ect.), and after awhile I can "awaken" back into the original FA with the same DCs and environment.

      Three dreams seems pretty cool. I would like to hear the longer story. What do you mean you were aware and controlling the bottom dream from the others? Could you control your body in multiple dreams?

      QUOTE=cytotoxicT;1708588]I have dreams within dreams all the time. Often when I am trying to DEILD, I will have false awakenings and just try to fall back asleep immediately. I then feel a transition into a new dream (vibrations, ect.), and after awhile I can "awaken" back into the original FA with the same DCs and environment.

      Hey there,

      It's funny (not really) but I posted the same post to another thread and had a user slam my post and infer I was an idiot. Anyway... I'm copying and pasting my response to them below my response to you as it better explains my experience and goes in to detail.. Sorry for the “layered” reply. : ) Here is a link to that thread. Just st got an error. Need to be a member for 7 days before I'm allowed to post links in forums. The thread is "have you ever had a dream within a dream".


      cytotoxicT,

      To answer your question about 'controlling dreams". For me personally I seem to have varying degrees of lucidity and control in any given dream. My litmus test so to speak when I find my self in a dream and think or know I'm dreaming, I try to put my hand through a wall (not punch but insert). Sometimes it works and other times not. I’ll try other stuff that would could not be possible in the “real” world if that does not work.

      If in fact I am successful with the arm thing or whatever other stupid human tricks I can think of : ) and providing it's not a nightmare or there’s not some feeling of negativity... Let the games begin! : ) Yes I can control by body but it’s quite draining emotionally and for lack of a better word "physically" (in the dream). Those dreams don’t last that long but I’m working on it. No I can’t control my body or bodies concurrently but in this last dream I did in the second and third individually while ascending, not descending.

      I'm really curious. Do you have these dreams often? Have you noticed any trigger in your daily routine or any pattern? In general how do you feel emotionally after waking from such a dream? A lot more questions but I don’t want this to feel like a homework assignment. : ) One more, Is the a new phenomena to you or have you always had a higher awareness re: your dreams? Have a good one, look forward to your reply.


      Below is a reply by Supernova to my original post in another thread. The Boldface txt is how this person closed their comment. The idiot reference prompted a rather lengthy response



      Originally Posted by 2Worlds
      I would be reluctant to draw any conclusions.
      Realy? Cause, you seem to have made up your mind there.

      Anyway, that conclusion is based on the idea that everything in a dream requires your attention to exist...which, if you look at the way dreams work, is a pretty well-supported conclusion. The "other layer" of the dream can't exist if you're not there to experience it, so for the time that you're in the "lower layer", the "upper layer" doesn't exist, thus is really is just one dream.
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      Originally Posted by sloth
      One cannot be sure of anything. Believing that one is sure of something does not make it so, and the possibility ALWAYS remains that he is wrong.

      How do you think i feel having to live in the same country as these idiots?
      Originally Posted by siuol


      My response:

      If I walk down 3 steps and I'm focused on where I place my foot on the 3rd step while standing on the 2nd, I'm not thinking about the 1st step but I know it was there (recall). When I turn around to go back up the steps I'm looking at the 1st and 2nd steps. The top step is in my peripheral vision, familiar and right where I left it (so to speak).

      My bottom dream was lucid and aware of my middle dream. In my middle dream I was sharing a hotel room with my mom and had fallen asleep on one of the 2 beds in that room. In my bottom lucid dream and a nightmare, I intentionally made or tried to make audible noises (vocal) to my middle dream with the hope my Mom would wake me up as I knew I was asleep in my middle dream and wanted to get the hell out of that nightmare in the 3rd (bottem)

      She did not and I awoke in that hotel room and saw her looking at me. I then remembered in that dream that it was just that, a dream... I regret not writing down the top or 1st dream but I then made an effort to awake from that (middle - hotel room dream) and awoke in another dream where I and was the same dream that started this whole thing (recall). It was familiar and I had perfect recall of the other 2 dreams. I then woke up at home (real world) and my girlfriend said I had been moaning. Bottom dream up. Maybe sideways but I feel my definition better describes “my” experience. Close your eyes and try to feel what I felt.

      Call it what you will. We can run circles with semantics but these dreams peeled away like an onion. All familiar and lucid when passing through each dream where I was asleep and dreaming in those dreams.

      Now, you don't know me, inferred i was idiot, asked no questions, and are simply parroting a commonly accepted "belief" based on what? I see no reference to a personal experience. What is the scale of measure? Physics, EEG's, Philosophy, Religion. Perhaps a slide rule? What recipe or tools support your conclusion and dismiss any other possibilities? I'm totally open to being wrong as it means I would have learned something. You however, and I'm repeating myself asked no questions, posted your reply within minutes of my post (indicates no thought or reflection) and could care less about the details or subtle nuances.

      Do you know what a fractal is? Particle string theory - M factor and its implications? Are dimensions linear? Is Meditation a linear process? Karma? Which religion is right? If a person is blind at birth can you "show" me what a dream might look like to them? Food for thought, there is so much we don’t know. The possibilities are endless. These questions are rhetorical .

      If a tree falls in a forest and no one is there to hear it... It does make a noise and it did happen. (e=mc squared, mass and energy). Don’t know why I threw that in but I feel it’s relevant. Am I missing something? Can you be constructive or is everyone who does not subscribe to your point of view an idiot. No agenda and all egos aside. My mind is open as I only desire to grow as a person, not stagnate and be led by the masses. Question everything, not just authority.

      I’ve tried to be as succinct as possible, If I’ve put my foot in my mouth it won’t be the 1st time. I invite questions and hope to begin a sincere dialog. However I will not be put in a defensive position again nor will I try to qualify myself. It is what it is. It was an experience and a feeling. No more no less. I'm done.....

      BTW - Anyone who feels compelled to answer and throw up a post within an hour of reading this, don't. Digest what i've said. Put your reflex in check, keep an open mind and be constructive. Better yet, sleep on it... : )
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      Quote Originally Posted by 2Worlds View Post
      cytotoxicT,

      To answer your question about 'controlling dreams". For me personally I seem to have varying degrees of lucidity and control in any given dream. My litmus test so to speak when I find my self in a dream and think or know I'm dreaming, I try to put my hand through a wall (not punch but insert). Sometimes it works and other times not. Iíll try other stuff that would could not be possible in the ďrealĒ world if that does not work.

      If in fact I am successful with the arm thing or whatever other stupid human tricks I can think of : ) and providing it's not a nightmare or thereís not some feeling of negativity... Let the games begin! : ) Yes I can control by body but itís quite draining emotionally and for lack of a better word "physically" (in the dream). Those dreams donít last that long but Iím working on it. No I canít control my body or bodies concurrently but in this last dream I did in the second and third individually while ascending, not descending.

      I'm really curious. Do you have these dreams often? Have you noticed any trigger in your daily routine or any pattern? In general how do you feel emotionally after waking from such a dream? A lot more questions but I donít want this to feel like a homework assignment. : ) One more, Is the a new phenomena to you or have you always had a higher awareness re: your dreams? Have a good one, look forward to your reply.
      I would LD naturally every few months starting from when I was in middle school. Every since I found this site and starting actively trying to LD the frequency has jumped to a few every week. The "dream within a dream" stuff started once I starting using DEILD.

      Your arm/wall is a reality check, and there are many similar methods to do that. People often try to stick their finger though the other palm. I pinch my nose in a dream and see if I can still breathe. In real life, I cant get any air through, but in a dream Im still breathing.

      When you say "these dreams" do you mean ones that feel multi level or just LDs in general?

      I feel normal waking up from multi level dreams. I dont think it is really going deeper into your subconscious or any of the inception stuff, so it feels like normal dreaming. It is more like I try to fall asleep in a dream, and with my eyes closed a new scene eventually appears. And because I expect subconsciously to "wake up" back in the earlier dream environment, that is what is formed. I am usually not lucid at the lightest levels so I believe whole-heartedly that I will wake up there.

      I dont really have triggers that allow me to dream within a dream. It is just when I am able to realize a DEILD opportunity.

      I guess I may have higher awareness just because I LD naturally (not very common) and picked up on some techniques pretty quickly. When I have multi level dreams, it usually comes when I assume I am awake and trying to DEILD. I then become lucid once a dream scene forms around me. If I knew I was dreaming at first I wouldnt try to fall asleep. haha. So awareness doesnt necessarily cause the different levels.

      I have to finish this up now. If you have any more questions, feel free to ask.

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