Originally Posted by cytotoxicT
QUOTE=cytotoxicT;1708588]I have dreams within dreams all the time. Often when I am trying to DEILD, I will have false awakenings and just try to fall back asleep immediately. I then feel a transition into a new dream (vibrations, ect.), and after awhile I can "awaken" back into the original FA with the same DCs and environment.
It's funny (not really) but I posted the same post to another thread and had a user slam my post and infer I was an idiot. Anyway... I'm copying and pasting my response to them below my response to you as it better explains my experience and goes in to detail.. Sorry for the “layered” reply. : ) Here is a link to that thread. Just st got an error. Need to be a member for 7 days before I'm allowed to post links in forums. The thread is "have you ever had a dream within a dream".
To answer your question about 'controlling dreams". For me personally I seem to have varying degrees of lucidity and control in any given dream. My litmus test so to speak when I find my self in a dream and think or know I'm dreaming, I try to put my hand through a wall (not punch but insert). Sometimes it works and other times not. I’ll try other stuff that would could not be possible in the “real” world if that does not work.
If in fact I am successful with the arm thing or whatever other stupid human tricks I can think of : ) and providing it's not a nightmare or there’s not some feeling of negativity... Let the games begin! : ) Yes I can control by body but it’s quite draining emotionally and for lack of a better word "physically" (in the dream). Those dreams don’t last that long but I’m working on it. No I can’t control my body or bodies concurrently but in this last dream I did in the second and third individually while ascending, not descending.
I'm really curious. Do you have these dreams often? Have you noticed any trigger in your daily routine or any pattern? In general how do you feel emotionally after waking from such a dream? A lot more questions but I don’t want this to feel like a homework assignment. : ) One more, Is the a new phenomena to you or have you always had a higher awareness re: your dreams? Have a good one, look forward to your reply.
Below is a reply by Supernova to my original post in another thread. The Boldface txt is how this person closed their comment. The idiot reference prompted a rather lengthy response
Originally Posted by 2Worlds
I would be reluctant to draw any conclusions.
Realy? Cause, you seem to have made up your mind there.
Anyway, that conclusion is based on the idea that everything in a dream requires your attention to exist...which, if you look at the way dreams work, is a pretty well-supported conclusion. The "other layer" of the dream can't exist if you're not there to experience it, so for the time that you're in the "lower layer", the "upper layer" doesn't exist, thus is really is just one dream.
Originally Posted by sloth
One cannot be sure of anything. Believing that one is sure of something does not make it so, and the possibility ALWAYS remains that he is wrong.
How do you think i feel having to live in the same country as these idiots?
Originally Posted by siuol
If I walk down 3 steps and I'm focused on where I place my foot on the 3rd step while standing on the 2nd, I'm not thinking about the 1st step but I know it was there (recall). When I turn around to go back up the steps I'm looking at the 1st and 2nd steps. The top step is in my peripheral vision, familiar and right where I left it (so to speak).
My bottom dream was lucid and aware of my middle dream. In my middle dream I was sharing a hotel room with my mom and had fallen asleep on one of the 2 beds in that room. In my bottom lucid dream and a nightmare, I intentionally made or tried to make audible noises (vocal) to my middle dream with the hope my Mom would wake me up as I knew I was asleep in my middle dream and wanted to get the hell out of that nightmare in the 3rd (bottem)
She did not and I awoke in that hotel room and saw her looking at me. I then remembered in that dream that it was just that, a dream... I regret not writing down the top or 1st dream but I then made an effort to awake from that (middle - hotel room dream) and awoke in another dream where I and was the same dream that started this whole thing (recall). It was familiar and I had perfect recall of the other 2 dreams. I then woke up at home (real world) and my girlfriend said I had been moaning. Bottom dream up. Maybe sideways but I feel my definition better describes “my” experience. Close your eyes and try to feel what I felt.
Call it what you will. We can run circles with semantics but these dreams peeled away like an onion. All familiar and lucid when passing through each dream where I was asleep and dreaming in those dreams.
Now, you don't know me, inferred i was idiot, asked no questions, and are simply parroting a commonly accepted "belief" based on what? I see no reference to a personal experience. What is the scale of measure? Physics, EEG's, Philosophy, Religion. Perhaps a slide rule? What recipe or tools support your conclusion and dismiss any other possibilities? I'm totally open to being wrong as it means I would have learned something. You however, and I'm repeating myself asked no questions, posted your reply within minutes of my post (indicates no thought or reflection) and could care less about the details or subtle nuances.
Do you know what a fractal is? Particle string theory - M factor and its implications? Are dimensions linear? Is Meditation a linear process? Karma? Which religion is right? If a person is blind at birth can you "show" me what a dream might look like to them? Food for thought, there is so much we don’t know. The possibilities are endless. These questions are rhetorical .
If a tree falls in a forest and no one is there to hear it... It does make a noise and it did happen. (e=mc squared, mass and energy). Don’t know why I threw that in but I feel it’s relevant. Am I missing something? Can you be constructive or is everyone who does not subscribe to your point of view an idiot. No agenda and all egos aside. My mind is open as I only desire to grow as a person, not stagnate and be led by the masses. Question everything, not just authority.
I’ve tried to be as succinct as possible, If I’ve put my foot in my mouth it won’t be the 1st time. I invite questions and hope to begin a sincere dialog. However I will not be put in a defensive position again nor will I try to qualify myself. It is what it is. It was an experience and a feeling. No more no less. I'm done.....
BTW - Anyone who feels compelled to answer and throw up a post within an hour of reading this, don't. Digest what i've said. Put your reflex in check, keep an open mind and be constructive. Better yet, sleep on it... : )